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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:38:50 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:29:02 2008. we've all heard it. but it makes no sense! of course trains need fares! Supply and demand! Farebox recovery! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:40:24 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:24:59 2008. Beacuse the E may have an advantage over the A, but it's not so great of an advantage that a free A would become more attractive than a pay E. That's not the same as saying that a free A to Lefferts and then a bus would become more attractive because it's free. It's apples and oranges.At $5 each, the E is a Red Delicious apple, and the A is a Green apple, both good, even if the red is a little sweeter. At $5 E/Free A, the E becomes a rotting red apple (but it's still an apple although less desirable), so the A being a green apple that's not rotting is more edible. But the A to Lefferts is a rotten orange, not even an apple, and not edible. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 18 00:40:52 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:33:15 2008. Q10 has great headways and is one of the most reliable buses in my use of it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Feb 18 00:43:16 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:38:50 2008. Was the farebox lost? :0) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:44:25 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:40:24 2008. it's not as bad as you make it seem. it's just that people don't know about the train to the bus option. that's my opinion. currently. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Feb 18 00:45:11 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:44:25 2008. T each his own...whatever makes you happy. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 02:19:02 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 17 21:33:06 2008. I didn't know about that subtext. I guess that would rule out extending the current AirTrain up the Van Wyck to LGA with FAA money since it would be out of the airports' property. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 02:59:02 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:25:24 2008. AirTrain is suited for luggage and air travelers. Buses suck, especially when dragging luggage around. I remember taking the Q10 to JFK from the (E/F) Kew Gardens station a few times and it was a nightmare. I would rather pay the five bucks any day. I'm in Astoria so I would probably still take the (E) over the (A) to a free HB AirTrain unless I had a lot of time on my hand but if from Manhattan, the (A) would be a no-brainer in such a scenario. The bus on the other hand...NEVER! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 03:32:29 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:22:35 2008. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about agreeing that right or wrong, it is a pedestrian toll and not a direct fee to ride airtrain from the parking lot.While calling it a fare or a pedestrian toll may just be semantics or a fair POV and a reason for an interesting and spirited debate on SubChat, the concept of a pedestrian toll would imply that in its absence there would be a flood of people entering the airport for free and dragging their luggage on foot to the terminals. It also implies there there are train-averse lunatics in HB who actually do this on a regular basis and obviously and justly resent having to pay a toll to walk across JFK. Of course in reality the only reason pedestrians actually pay this toll is to board AirTrain, hence they consider it a fare. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 09:24:20 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:37:29 2008. You could take the A to lefferts for the Q10 today and accomplish the same thing...I sense you might have a certain antipathy towards Airtrain.... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 09:29:19 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:44:25 2008. People knew about that option for years before Airtrain, though - is there now mass amnesia?This is what it says on the NYCT subway map: Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard / Liberty Avenue Q10 (to JFK Airport), Q112 It's not as though there's effort being made to hide the bus; it's just that the bus in a rather different market compared to Airtrain. Airtrain is bringing in ridership that never would have taken the bus; that's pretty indisputable. If you want to claim that all of these people should instead be riding the bus, well, that's your job to explain to all of them why their move is unwise. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:37:08 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 02:59:02 2008. You're entitled to your opinion. I don't find the bus so bad when it is the alternative to the $5 ped toll at HB. And since you would stick with the E, you disprove Chris's point. Thanks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:38:42 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:44:25 2008. Oh please. Really, please. There is a very large portion of Howard Beach AirTrain ridership that wouldn't even consider that bus. There's no conspiracy. Truly, no one in their right mind would choose the Lefferts A and the bus as a viable alternative to AirTrain. Airline travel is stressful enough without adding a bus to the mix. There is nothing hiding the fact that the Q10 goes to the airport, but it's not like so many more people would use that option if they did know, but don't know now. And for what, to save $5 ($4, $4whatever)? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:40:12 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:37:08 2008. He didn't disprove anything, in fact, he proved even more so that people that don't care about the "free" shuttle bus that was once there that you say is some loss on the scale of a death. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:43:08 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 03:32:29 2008. Absolutely correct. That "pedestrian" toll thing is completely just semantics. And yes, the absense of which would imply a flood of people FLOODING into the Howard Beach parking lot dragging their luggage behind them to the terminals. How silly! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:45:42 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:40:12 2008. Actually, I just read that SMAZ would be coming from Astoria, so OF COURSE he would take the E over the A unless he wants to travel all the way through Manhattan!! My point was within Manhattan along the 8th Ave line, I made that VERY clear in the posts I made about that. I threw in that you "might" even get some people all the way from Queens, but used "MIGHT" and "people along the 8th Ave line" VERY clearly in any posts I made on that subject. Don't twist what I said out of context. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:51:04 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 02:59:02 2008. I agree completely. I used that awful Q10 many times when I still lived in the area, and it was a nightmare. The sheer length of it was terrible. And that's after either a subway ride or other bus ride to get to that bus, not to mention the stairs and transfer between the two.An AirTrain would have been a godsent. I only lived a few stations away from Broadway Junction, so today, I would probably have taken either the M (via J) or the L to Broadway Junction. At Broadway Junction I could have chosen between the J or the A to get to AirTrain, and thinking about it, I would probably take the J to Jamaica and get it there. I can't say if I would take the A over the J if there was no fare at Howard Beach, but I probably would say I would stay on the J, as I don't think I would want to deal with those escalators and transfer between the J and the A at Broadway Junction. If not for that PITA transfer, it would be a toss-up. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:52:19 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 03:32:29 2008. the concept of a pedestrian toll would imply that in its absence there would be a flood of people entering the airport for free and dragging their luggage on foot to the terminals.Incorrect. The concept of a pedestrian toll implies that in it's absense there would be roughly the same amount of people, maybe 10% more, who would get off the A RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF AIRPORT PROPERTY, walk over a free bridge onto airport property, and then ride the FREE airport circulator FOR FREE. It also implies there there are train-averse lunatics in HB who actually do this on a regular basis and obviously and justly resent having to pay a toll to walk across JFK. No, it has nothing to do with walking to JFK. It has to do with the PANYNJ wanted to get more revenue from people who don't know any better. Of course in reality the only reason pedestrians actually pay this toll is to board AirTrain, hence they consider it a fare. Obviously. But that's a trick. The uneducated are fooled. When you look at what really happens at HB and Lefferts, you see what it really is - an inappropriate pedestrian toll. Airport circulators are always FREE, AFAIK. Why is this one any different??? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:52:45 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 02:19:02 2008. Who owns LaGuardia? That's not Port Authority (really I never thought about it). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:54:34 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 09:24:20 2008. Your sense is wrong. I think AirTrain is pretty cool. And I think I've made it pretty clear why I would take the Q10 instead of the HB branch. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:54:34 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:29:02 2008. Come on that's silly. The LIRR needs fares to survive. Just like any other transit operation. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:59:49 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 09:29:19 2008. No. Look at the map. AirTrain is shown much more prominently. It has a cool name. It has a billion times more marketing behind it (off the map). No where on the map is it shown that AirTrain costs a lot more money.Airtrain is bringing in ridership that never would have taken the bus; that's pretty indisputable. At HB? I'm not so sure. I think many of the people taking AirTrain from HB today would have taken the shuttle bus from HB back in the old days. I don't think people should be riding the bus instead! I THINK THERE SHOULD BE NO PEDESTRIAN TOLL TO ENTER AIRPORT PROPERTY AT HB. THAT IS ALL. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:10:21 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:38:42 2008. There is a very large portion of Howard Beach AirTrain ridership that wouldn't even consider that bus.Uh, they used to take a bus from the A to the terminals. And the price was right. There's no conspiracy. Yes there is. That's the point. All of you have been tricked into believing that are fare for the free airport circulator, "AirTrain", at HB, for JUST the people coming from the (A) is not only FAIR but also GOOD TRANSPORTATION POLICY. It is a HUGE conspiracy. Truly, no one in their right mind would choose the Lefferts A and the bus as a viable alternative to AirTrain. Huh? Smart people do every day. Airline travel is stressful enough without adding a bus to the mix. Oh please. Really, please. Cry me a river! It's not bad at all. You're traveling with one carry-on. It's a cinch. There is nothing hiding the fact that the Q10 goes to the airport But AirTrain is much more prominent on the map. And no where does it say there is a $5 fee for AirTrain. but it's not like so many more people would use that option if they did know, but don't know now. And for what, to save $5 ($4, $4whatever)? Yes, if they knew about this issue, some would switch to the bus, IMO. |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Feb 18 10:13:35 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:52:58 2008. 'I don't believe there is any taxi surcharge. Certainly not on arrivals at the airport.'The flat fare of $45 (currently - it was $35 last time I paid it) plus tolls is from JFK to any point in Manhattan. Even if you squeezed five people into the cab that is still $9+ per person, compared with $7 per person by Airtrain plus subway. Returning from Manhattan to JFK there is no fixed fare, you just pay what is on the meter. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:15:27 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:44:25 2008. I really don't get the "don't know about it" angle. Anyone that can read any map can clearly see the Q10 cirles the airport, and rides up lefferts. It's clearly on the online map.I don't know if the print map still has "TO JFK" on it, but if I am planning to use transit to get somewhere, I pull out a map and see what transit goes there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:15:35 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:45:42 2008. So? Let them switch to the A! This isn't a for-profit venture! It's about GOOD TRANSPORTATION POLICY! They can make up the revenue elsewhere if that's a problem. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:16:53 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Fytton on Mon Feb 18 10:13:35 2008. Right. A much better deal than AirTrain to HB. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:17:45 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 18 00:40:52 2008. The times I have taken it it was packed, and certainly not something I would want to drag luggage onto. That after dragging my luggage off some other bus to connect to it, or worse, a subway el trek down the stairs. Sorry. The bus loses in my book. I am not alone in that. There are many people that would never consider public transit to the airport if it included buses.And that doesn't even address the "at the mercy of traffic conditions" aspect of a bus. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:18:10 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:15:27 2008. Why in the world would you consider the "Q10 thing" if there is a big bright yellow AIRTRAIN on the map? Seriously. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:19:20 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:15:27 2008. Furthermore, NO OTHER AIRPORT CHARGES TO RIDE ITS FREE CIRCULATOR FROM A RAPID TRANSIT STATION EITHER ON OR ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. So why would anyone, from reading the map, assume anything different about the HB branch?? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:19:54 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:17:45 2008. The times you took it, it was under different ownership. Ride it again NOW. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:23:57 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:52:19 2008. The concept of a pedestrian toll implies that in it's absense there would be roughly the same amount of people, maybe 10% more, who would get off the A RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF AIRPORT PROPERTY, walk over a free bridge onto airport property, and then ride the FREE airport circulator FOR FREE.Obviously not a big deal if only 10% more people would be using it. And I am going to also assume a nice amount of that 10% are E train transplants. No, it has nothing to do with walking to JFK. It has to do with the PANYNJ wanted to get more revenue from people who don't know any better. OH PLEASE! "Don't know any better". Don't tell me that all those people would be using the Q10 (or some similar bus) to get there if they "knew better". This $5 nonsense has hit a new lunacy. This whole consept is a lunacy. Obviously. But that's a trick. The uneducated are fooled. When you look at what really happens at HB and Lefferts, you see what it really is - an inappropriate pedestrian toll. Airport circulators are always FREE, AFAIK. Why is this one any different??? Oh PLEASE again! It's not a trick, and most "educated" people would not want to use an incovenient bus over paying $5 for a smooth connection. No one is being "fooled". And the AirTrain, once again, is not a "toll", it's a fare, and is not a circulator. They wouldn't have put that station in that inconvenient-to-the-parking-lot location if they were just making a "circulator" for the parking lot. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:26:21 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:54:34 2008. And I think I've made it pretty clear why I would take the Q10 instead of the HB branch.Well, that's your own personal Vienam then. Luckly that Q10 is there for the few minority that don't value their time as much, and would rather spend extra time to save $5 ($4, $4whatever) instead of taking the more convenient AirTrain. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 10:29:10 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 09:54:34 2008. Oh, I know - I'm just questioning the logic of the overheard position. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:30:08 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:23:57 2008. Obviously not a big deal if only 10% more people would be using it. And I am going to also assume a nice amount of that 10% are E train transplantsGood, we agree! NEXT! OH PLEASE! "Don't know any better". Don't tell me that all those people would be using the Q10 (or some similar bus) to get there if they "knew better". This $5 nonsense has hit a new lunacy. This whole consept is a lunacy. Yes, they don't know any better. Go to HB. Look at all the people looking at the fare gates like "WTF!?!?!" Nowhere on The Map does it say it costs $5. How are they supposed to know!!!?!?!?!? Oh PLEASE again! It's not a trick, and most "educated" people would not want to use an incovenient bus over paying $5 for a smooth connection. No one is being "fooled". Yes, IMO, people are being fooled. And the AirTrain, once again, is not a "toll", it's a fare, and is not a circulator. Yes it is a circulator. It is wholly ON THE PROPERTY. And it is free. That is definition of a circulator. They wouldn't have put that station in that inconvenient-to-the-parking-lot location if they were just making a "circulator" for the parking lot. Right, they put it out there so they could unwittingly charge people $5. I say - let the people walk to the middle of the parking lot to get the airtrain for free IF (and only IF) your line of thinking on this is correct, which I don't think it is. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:32:07 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:26:21 2008. No, that's not it. It's on principle. I'd rather both save time and get to ride a train. But not if it means having $5 stolen from me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:33:32 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 09:59:49 2008. No. Look at the map. AirTrain is shown much more prominently. It has a cool name. It has a billion times more marketing behind it (off the map). No where on the map is it shown that AirTrain costs a lot more money.Of course it is! It's a rail map! Why should they put bus routes on a rail map! The only reason some bus routes used to be on the subway map was because of the free transfer ones (before Metrocard) that replaced old subway lines, or the Airport ones when there wasn't a rail connection. If you want to take the bus to the airport, then pick up a bus map! It very clearly shows the Q10 and others circling the airport! And both the subway map and the bus map shows it's connections to bus routes or subway routes respectively to plan your trip. At HB? I'm not so sure. I think many of the people taking AirTrain from HB today would have taken the shuttle bus from HB back in the old days. Maybe. But there are many new people that woudln't have even considered the subway before that will now because of AirTrain. It's WAY more convenient. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE NO PEDESTRIAN TOLL TO ENTER AIRPORT PROPERTY AT HB. THAT IS ALL. And that's just semantics. It's not a "pedestrian toll", it's fare to ride Airtrain. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:35:25 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:10:21 2008. Uh, they used to take a bus from the A to the terminals. And the price was right.The AirTrain is a vast improvement over that bus. "Free" doesn't mean better. $5 is not a "wrong" price for that convenient ride, especially when one considers the cost of airline tickets and travel in general. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 18 10:35:25 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 01:20:35 2008. That would in fact be fair! Everyone riding from the station would pay the fare instead of just people who found themselves on the wrong side of an imaginary line. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Feb 18 10:39:29 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 18 10:35:25 2008. All right then! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:39:55 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:10:21 2008. Oh please. Really, please. Cry me a river! It's not bad at all. You're traveling with one carry-on. It's a cinch.Cry me a river about HB AIrTrain, really. And not everyone is carrying "One carry on". And AirTrain is way more of a cinch. Yes, if they knew about this issue, some would switch to the bus, IMO. Oh please, from Lefferts? Most people value their time more than that. You will need to leave extra time for that. $4 is not even minimum wage for that extra hour you would need to leave to be safe on catching your plane with a bus at the mercy of traffic. So NO, I don't think more people would switch to a "bus". But AirTrain is much more prominent on the map. And no where does it say there is a $5 fee for AirTrain. SO? It doesn't say the LIRR is more at it's connections either when listed on the map. Of COURSE Airtrain will be more prominant. Why shoud they put every bus to the airport on a subway map? If you want to take the bus, look at a bus map. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 18 10:40:29 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 12:39:40 2008. Incorrect. The Jamaica branch is an off-property rapid transit line that brings you from a "downtown" (for lack of a better word) that is a great distance away from airport property, right to the terminals. The charge to ride that branch is for the service of bringing you to and/or onto airport property. This is done at many airports, such as in San Fran (iirc), Philly, and at O'Hare.Not to mention that there is no way to enter or exit the AirTrain at Jamaica. All persons riding to and from Jamaica will pay the fare unless they ride out to Jamaica and back from some other station as a joy ride (and joyriders are not important and irrelevant). This is not true of Howard Beach. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:41:37 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:16:53 2008. Right. A much better deal than AirTrain to HB.Just like AirTrain is a much better deal than the Q10. And for the record, most people deciding on the taxi option probably would never even consider using the subway/airtrain, much less a bus. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:42:31 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:18:10 2008. My point exactly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:43:52 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:19:20 2008. Only about 5 or 6 people at SubChat assume that. That wouldn't even come to most people's minds, so NO no one would randomly assume AirTrain was free. When things are free it will say "free shuttle" or "free bus", or "free whatever". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:47:01 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:19:54 2008. Ride it again NOW.NOOOOOOOO Thank you. No way in hell I am getting on a bus when there is a more convenient rail option out there. A bus is fine when there is no alternative....but when there is better alternative, screw the bus. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 18 10:47:02 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 15:42:50 2008. But that was the point, WHO? is walking to the HB station, all one of them a year from their Howard Beach home? No, it's potential fare evaders from mthe HB NYCT station. If they didn't charge there, and left the gate open, all those people would try and evade the fare, and walk to the parking lot mixing with the people that paid for their Airtrain trip via parking. If it's felt that that parking fee is not enough, then raise the parking fee.They wouldn't be evading the fare, they would be taking a free, legal walkway (provided of course that it were legal) to walk from one public area to another and then enter a FREE airport circulator. Given your argument, taking the Brooklyn Bridge is toll evasion if the Battery Tunnel is the more direct route for a driver. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:48:59 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:47:01 2008. And for the record, I found some (not all) of the private ownership of buses more comfortable and better than some of the city routes. The buses on the old Q10 in my opinion were much more comfortable than many of the city buses. It's headways weren't all that bad, but it was still a packed trek. That didn't change. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 10:50:51 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:30:08 2008. Yes, they don't know any better. Go to HB. Look at all the people looking at the fare gates like "WTF!?!?!"Oh please. That's heresay, and I severely doubt more than a small few would do that. Nowhere on The Map does it say it costs $5. How are they supposed to know!!!?!?!?!? So? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 10:51:53 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 18 10:40:29 2008. yep |
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