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Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 12:00:48 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:46:12 2007. Actually...no, just about 100% of Long Island's freight goes right through there.Here's a photo of the place from back in the local service days, when you could still walk on the platform, as it was an active (although rarely used) station.... Here it is around 1990, this is before any of the stations had signs. They only put signs up at all of them around 1993 or so, after an absense of many many years of none of them having a sign:  Here is a view from the street. That's GP38-2 #260:  Here it is around 1998, just before closing:   Excuse the quality, as back then I only took slides, and they sometimes loose something in the scanning. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:05:07 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 12:00:48 2007. My God, the Junction Diner....talk about a blast from the past. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 12:09:13 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:05:07 2007. Yeah, I used to eat there quite often. What's there now? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:11:13 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 12:09:13 2007. I don't remember, but I will look carefully the next time I cross over the area on the J. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 28 12:12:27 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:51:10 2007. This line could be a great asset if incorporated into a regional rail system. Upgrade it, rebuild it, and run frequent service with hybrid transit/commuter rail trains (think Washington Metro and BART), into Manhattan, and tied into other regional lines, for a system that fills in the gap between the subway and commuter rail. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:19:14 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 28 12:12:27 2007. A pipe dream. I have simpler ideas for the line. Restore high level platforms in Glendale, Fresh Pond and somewhere in Maspeth (Maspeth Ave is a logical choice) and simply run all existing diesel service headed for LIC up and down the line. This would give these neighborhoods SOME sort of rail service they could use to access the #7 line in LIC. If you want to spend some more money, connecting this line to the East River tubes would be an even better way to bring rail service to these neighborhoods. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jul 28 12:23:35 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 04:21:58 2007. I was talking about the Rockaway Branch Richmond Hill station. Isn't that what's pictured here?------http://7train.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/21263/richmondhill-21.jpg |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:26:25 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Dan on Sat Jul 28 12:23:35 2007. No, that's the Richmond Hill station on the lower Montauk branch located at Hillside Ave and 119th St. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 28 12:46:09 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:19:14 2007. Why diesel service? Why not run some third rail and run frequent trains (say every 20-30 minutes or so) along the line between Jamaica and Manhattan-- Penn Station, East Side and/or Lower Manhattan.These pipe dreams should become reality. I am not suggesting them based on a foamer railfan perspective; I am proposing them from a necessity/planner perspective. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jul 28 12:55:04 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:26:25 2007. Thank You! I was getting it confused with the abandoned Woodhaven stations. |
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Posted by DSHarris84 on Sat Jul 28 13:13:59 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 28 12:46:09 2007. That sounds like a great idea. However, I think adding the third rail would be a massive project in itself as well as restoring the station to operable condition. Given the MTA's current plan to rob us of even more money, I think that idea would best be shelved to another day, I'm sorry to say.David Harris PW branch rider |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sat Jul 28 13:58:22 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:46:12 2007. For freight service, I have seen it a few times. Its been a while though since I have seen an LIRR train there. Here is a photo of a freight train passing by. Taken in 2007http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w56/TransitGuy/Various/P8280001_editedLarge.jpg |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sat Jul 28 14:03:38 2007, in response to Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 27 19:53:26 2007. Very Nice photos. Thanks a lot for sharing, its been a while since I have seen the actual platform itself. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 28 14:14:49 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 12:00:48 2007. Nice pics...I wonder where they would have made the change over for the Montauk/Jamaica El connection? Doesn't look like much room was available,so something had to go on the street. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jul 28 14:16:49 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:46:12 2007. If you stand at that corner every weekday at 8:15 AM and 5:22 PM, you'll see actual in-service passanger trains come crawling through.Back in April I was filming a scene for a film-class thing under the line and it was a surprise to me when I saw an in-service train come through I guess around 5:22pm.....as we were recording. That was after somebody told me no trains went through. The passing train drowned out some of the audio dialogue, so we had to do it over. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 14:23:21 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jul 28 14:16:49 2007. That was after somebody told me no trains went through.That line is very much used for freight too (Just about 100% of Nassau and Suffolks freight moves through there), as well as lots od equipment moves also. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 14:30:22 2007, in response to Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 27 19:53:26 2007. Nice photos, how come that station closed if it already had a high platform? |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sat Jul 28 14:33:38 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 14:30:22 2007. I guess it just closed due to ridership. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 14:45:08 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 28 12:46:09 2007. I'm trying to keep costs down. Just running all the diesel service which currently runs to/from LIC would provide about a dozen trains each way during rush hours. All that's required for my plan is 3 high-level stations, side platforms at Glendale and Maspeth, and one island platform at Fresh Pond. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 14:49:04 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by DSHarris84 on Sat Jul 28 13:13:59 2007. There's no way the LIRR would be allowed to electrify the line in Queens with so many grade crossings. The DE/DM and C-3's can provide service without any major structural work being performed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:05:00 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Transit Guy on Sat Jul 28 13:58:22 2007. Nice shot. Maybe my timing is bad. I see plenty of freight service whenever I'm near the ROW west of the Bay Ridge and the NYCRR junction. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:06:53 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jul 28 14:16:49 2007. That was probably the 4:54 to Oyster Bay. I wonder how many LI riders actually use any of the service to LIC to begin with. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:09:46 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 14:30:22 2007. Almost no ridership. Not worth the trouble, I guess. The J train is right there (one of these pictures was obviously taken from one passing overhead). |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Jul 28 15:10:42 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:06:53 2007. Depends what the fare is boarding at LIC as opposed to Jamaica. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 15:14:21 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:09:46 2007. That sucks, that station seems to have a lot of good photo opportunities. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:20:06 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by daDouce Man on Sat Jul 28 15:10:42 2007. Well it's usually $4 cheaper to board trains going east at Jamaica than say Flatbush or Penn Station. I'm just curious as to why people from LI would want to go to LIC to begin with. A lot of the industrial jobs located there have disappeared. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:24:11 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 15:14:21 2007. The interesting question is why this particular station got a modern, concrete high level platform to begin with. Stations on the Rockaway Beach line like Parkside and Brooklyn Manor got wooden platforms, and they probably had lots more patronage. The Richmond Hill station as it exists today had to have been built after the Jamaica Ave. el was erected, so any pre-subway ridership most likely was gone by then. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jul 28 16:22:02 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:20:06 2007. LIC and Hunterspoint Av are intended mainly for the "East Side commuter" that works in in East Midtown and who make the connection to the 7 or ferry at LIC or HPA. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 16:26:31 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:24:11 2007. Maybe to attract riders (or take riders away from Jamaica) since it was barely used. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 16:28:04 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:20:06 2007. Ridership at LIC consists mostly of area workers or maybe 2-5 riders a train transferring from the (7), I've never seen anyone there utilize the ferry connection. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jul 28 16:49:04 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:24:11 2007. The surviving Richmond Hill station dates from circa 1928. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 17:14:23 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 14:49:04 2007. Ironically, Glendale used to be electrified. Third Rail electrification extended from the Rockway Branch, onto the Montauk Branch, and to Fresh Pond. I don't know what the purpose of that was, but Glendale was definitely electrified....but of course, it didn't come via Richmond Hill, but Via the Rockaway Branch where they met.Here's a photo I found of Glendale Station in 1938. This is looking from the Lutheran Cemetery Grade Crossing, east to Cooper Ave (you can see the cooper ave overpass stanchions in the middle of the photo) 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 17:16:36 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:20:06 2007. Most go there to transfer to the 7 at Vernon Jackson, and it just so happens that train goes to LIC instead of Hunterspoint. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 28 17:20:48 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:24:11 2007. Almost all the Queens LIRR stations with the exception of the Long Is City branch has always had high platforms. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 28 17:25:20 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 11:46:02 2007. There was another station with high platforms that was even closer to Jamaica than Richmond Hill, and that was Union Hall Street. That was only a few blocks from Jamaica. I remember stopping there on the Hempstead Line. If it didn't close it could have became a more useful station with the completion of Archer Avenue. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Jul 28 17:46:21 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 12:19:14 2007. IMHO Broadway Lion had a better solution to use the Lower Montauk line: http://subways2020.tripod.com/WTC/WTC.html |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 18:58:39 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 28 17:25:20 2007. Yes, but that one was on the other side of Jamaica station and served the Jamaica business district, and wasn't on a dead end line that didn't go to Manhattan, like Richmond Hill. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 18:59:53 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 18:58:39 2007. Also remember, that the J station above Richmond Hill at 121st St is one of the least used stations on the entire J line, so it's not like there is a big pull for passengers in that location, as even the J line isn't really getting that many there compared to other J line stations. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:17:34 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 28 17:20:48 2007. But this station IS on the LIC branch, and the only one to receive a high level platform. That's the mystery. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:18:42 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jul 28 16:49:04 2007. 10 years after the el on Jamaica Ave was erected, making the need and desire for LIRR service there almost nonexistant. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:20:43 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 17:16:36 2007. When ESA opens, LIC will probably become even less important. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:27:02 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 17:14:23 2007. Nice shot, at least it looked like a train station back then. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 28 20:46:36 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:20:43 2007. how about non-important?Thats how I see Flatbush avenue becoming..a non issue..that should become part of the subway system. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Jul 28 21:03:19 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 12 21:13:04 2007. wait a minute....couldn't they have gotten the J at Jamaica? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 21:10:57 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 28 20:46:36 2007. No, Flatbush should remain part of the LIRR (and possibly extended to Lower Manhattan.) That area of Brooklyn has got enough subway lines already. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 28 21:39:20 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 21:10:57 2007. EXACTLY. To think otherwise is ludicrous. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 28 21:40:00 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jul 28 14:16:49 2007. That was after somebody told me no trains went through.That somebody was very, very stupid. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 28 21:45:51 2007, in response to Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 27 19:53:26 2007. nice pics, thanks |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Jul 28 21:52:56 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 21:10:57 2007. No, actually, the Subway should take it and extend subway lines into SE Queens on it, as well as run a JFK line as well. This would relieve some of the crowding on Queens Blvd. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 22:09:26 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 11:46:02 2007. That must've been pretty weird to be the only rider at a station. |
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