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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:07:54 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 07:51:53 2006. It's the only one I've ever seen of Woodhaven. BTW, those stairs led directly up to 102nd St, in case you want to know it's exact location. Up to about 15 years ago, the concrete covering the staircase was obvious, as was the small metal gate. It was NOT located directly under the LIRR Rockaway line, as most think. I wish it would re-open. Woodhaven to Downtown Brooklyn in less than 15 minutes, something impossible via the A or J train. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:11:49 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jan 22 22:26:39 2006. Also, it's not just ridership that caused it to close (of course though that's a major reason). Also though, think of the 70's, and how "safe" it would be to wait by yourself, at a freely open station (as all LIRR stations are, unlike subway stations) that anyone can wonder into. I am sure not many women alone would have wanted to wait there, heck, many men alone wouldn't have wanted to wait there unless they didn't value their wallets or their lives. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:12:38 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 11:47:31 2006. Believe it or not I have. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:18:43 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 07:42:23 2006. I've walked this section too, south of the now gone wooden trestle across the Montauk line. At the time I did this, the real danger was not the posion ivy, but the people inhabitting the ROW. Homeless men, runaway kids, you never did it alone. I've also walked the Montauk line at various points when I was a kid, but I won't brag about tresspassing on an active ROW. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:22:09 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:12:38 2006. So then why did you suggest it? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:22:17 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:07:54 2006. I wish Woodhaven would also reopen.Even if for just part time service during rush hour. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:23:21 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:22:09 2006. So others would. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:23:27 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:11:49 2006. This wasn't really a bad neighborhood when the station was closed. The fear was probably unjustified. The station served no purpose in that era. Today, downtown Brooklyn is a more desirable destination. I think people would actually use this station today. It'd also be a godsend to Woodhaven if there was ever another subway strike. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:25:37 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:23:21 2006. I just told you the search function sucks and you said you've tried it, so I ask once again, why did you suggest it? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:28:22 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:25:37 2006. Just because you couldn't use it,somebody else might be able to. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jan 23 12:36:42 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:25:37 2006. "I just told you the search function sucks "To you it sucks. Maybe you're not using it properly. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jan 23 12:39:03 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:23:27 2006. Oh, come on. You didn't notice the balrogs and trolls and blood sucking demons terrorizing the station? You didn't pass Sysiphus trying to roll a big rock up the stairs? How about the Harpees ripping off passengers as they got off each train?I'm surprised they didn't close it sooner. :0) |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 23 12:40:51 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:11:49 2006. Also, it's not just ridership that caused it to close (of course though that's a major reason). Also though, think of the 70's, and how "safe" it would be to wait by yourself, at a freely open station (as all LIRR stations are, unlike subway stations) that anyone can wonder into. I am sure not many women alone would have wanted to wait there, heck, many men alone wouldn't have wanted to wait there unless they didn't value their wallets or their lives.I remember reading somewhere, though exactly where is beyond my recollection, that during Woodhaven's final years a police officer would be on duty for each train, getting to the station a short while before the train arrived to watch over people waiting for it, and leaving after all the people arriving on the train had left the station. If this is true, no doubt the cost of police protection helped convince LIRR management that it was time to close the station. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:44:51 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:23:27 2006. I am not even talking about a "bad neighborhood". Standing on a desolate underground platform in the best of neighborhoods in the 70's or 80's wasn't a good idea. And even if the fear was unjustified, I Guarantee that's why many potential users wouldn't have used it back then.It was nerve wrecking standing alone at the former Fresh Pond LIRR station, not even an underground, although in a cut, and in a very safe neighborhood. A woman alone wouldn't have been caught there for anything, and like I said, you can't get much safer than that neighborhood, even in the 70's. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Jan 23 12:46:40 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jan 23 12:36:42 2006. It doesn't show all of Subchat, and it also doesn't seem to have a date/ author function. Subtalk had a MUCH better search function.Note to Larry: ask Dave Pirmann |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:48:44 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 23 12:40:51 2006. East New York, which I used often, and is at least at the surface, and at least somewhat open, always has a police car there when trains come in parked between the Atlantic Ave L station and the ENY LIRR platforms, probably to make people more at ease, and also to discourage people up to no good. And of course ENY's ridership warrants that, as opposed to Woodhaven station who's ridership was next to nothing anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:52:08 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:18:43 2006. At the time I did this, the real danger was not the posion ivy, but the people inhabitting the ROW. Homeless men, runaway kids, you never did it alone.I never encountered any of this, but have seen photos of the Woodhaven station with mattresses and hypodermic needles littering the platform in the past. As for the Montauk branch, I did that plenty of times, especially between Fresh Pond and Glendale. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:55:54 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:52:08 2006. Those photos were probably taken after a police sweep. They cleaned it up for good around 1988, probably because they found a body on the ROW in Forest Park. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Jan 23 12:56:12 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:03:28 2006. w00t for y'411 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:57:52 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jan 23 12:36:42 2006. How would one use the search function improperly? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:59:19 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:28:22 2006. Chris showed you what happens when you search for his photos. So how does that imply that I couldn't use it but that somebody else might be able to? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 13:13:21 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:55:54 2006. Oh wow, that would explain it. The Woodhaven station was pretty "clean", aside from beer bottles, etc thrown around (I'm sure many a kids had "parties" up there). There were no mattresses, or signs of homeless. I don't remember the exact year, but I think I took those photos in 1992. I used print film into around 1991, and some time around 1992 switched to slide film, and my photos are slides, so it has to be some time around 1992 (it wasn't later than that either, as I still lived in my college apartment at the time). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 13:17:01 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 13:13:21 2006. Oh, and just to add, the stairways to street level to the Woodhaven platforms were sealed pretty good. We gained access through a huge hole that took you under the platform, and onto the trackbed. It was like the Twilight Zone when we found this station (we had no idea it existed). One day, my friend and I borrowed my father's car (I didn't have one at the time yet), and we "railfanned" the Hempstead, West Hempstead, and Brooklyn line with the car (taking photos of the stations, random trains coming through, etc. When I was driving down Atlantic Ave, we stumbled upon the Woodhave station. We almost had a heart attack seeing it. We had NO clue it existed. I quickly parked, and the rest is history, I took the photos Douceman has seen before..... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jan 23 15:09:00 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Jan 23 12:46:40 2006. OK. Dave did set up some nice search routines for us. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Jan 23 17:03:29 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:07:54 2006. Sorry to correct, but the stairs WERE located directly under the Rockaway line overpass. I remember railfanning that station in my distant youth. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jan 23 17:26:50 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:03:28 2006. Hmmmm...... those rails appear to be lightly rusted in the first pic.Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 20:59:23 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jan 23 17:26:50 2006. That's a good observation Bill! The Rockaway Line between the mainline and Ozone Park closed in 1962. Color film really didn't become too common until the 60's, so taking your observation of the rusty rails into account, I betcha this photo was taken shortly after service ceased. What you are looking at is a station that would never see a train go through it again, as it slowly progressed to the second photo..... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 21:23:40 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 12:57:52 2006. If you can't use the search function maybe should be answering that question. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Mon Jan 23 21:29:25 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 20:59:23 2006. Hey Chris. I would have to disagree. According to the book, it was taken 3/57. A Frank Zahn photo that was published in the Summer 1999 Keystone shows Woodhaven Sta. looking south from the Rockaway bound platform. It was taken on 6/7/62 which was 1 day prior to the end of service. The Rockaway bound track now has a considerable amount of vegatation due to it being OOS since 1958. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jan 23 21:39:39 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jan 23 12:39:03 2006. The balrog I didn't mind; it was those orcs that got me. The troll wouldn't come out of the tunnel. :o>/w\ |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 22:19:33 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by VictorM on Mon Jan 23 17:03:29 2006. I never saw the staircases to the underground platform.I've been told they were under the staircases to the upper platform. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 22:34:21 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 21:23:40 2006. WTF are you talking about? You can't even type sentences that make sense, let alone read posts where you were shown how the search function specifically does not work for the situation you wanted it to be used. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 23:11:20 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by grimace1169 on Mon Jan 23 21:29:25 2006. AH, okay. Thanks. It's been a while since that photo was scanned, so I didn't have the caption with it of course.Well then, the rails must just be rusty from perhaps a rainy weekend or something....service was pretty scarse on the line once it was severed at Ozone Park for the IND. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jan 24 07:00:48 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 23:11:20 2006. "Well then, the rails must just be rusty from perhaps a rainy weekend or something....service was pretty scarce on the line once it was severed at Ozone Park for the IND."I know for a fact that the Rockaway Line to Ozone Park was single tracked using the Penn Station bound track. When walking the branch in the 1990 I even saw the switch where trains switched to the this single track. IIRC it was near where it branched off the four track mainline. I have a slide of a fantrip taken at the Brooklyn manor station and the rails were also lightly rusted. The fantrip must have been in the early 50's because the MP-54's had the grey/white scheme without the orange front. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Tue Jan 24 07:26:20 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 22:19:33 2006. I would have to agree with Victor M. While I have never seen the staircases myself I was with an older friend of mine walking in that area and he showed me the spots where the 4 staircases came up to the street, 2 on each side. You can still see the outlines for them. The cement work wasn't done exceptionally well and is easy to see. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Tue Jan 24 07:33:44 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jan 24 07:00:48 2006. Yes, that spring switch is just north of the Fleet St. bridge, right next to the ball fields. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 24 07:59:49 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by mambomta on Mon Jan 23 10:07:09 2006. Modify the connection from the A line to the southbound Rockaway trackage to allow trains coming from Euclid to enter the Ozone Park station heading northbound.Maybe someone can make a BVE route for this because we'll damn sure never see it in real life. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 24 09:42:27 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 24 07:59:49 2006. Uhh. Maybe YOU can be that "someone", Mitch. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 09:57:13 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jan 24 07:00:48 2006. Yes, I do remember reading that actually. So the track in the foreground of the photo (on the left) was abandoned by the time of this photo, and they were only using the right track? (Which by the way also isn't the shiniest either....). |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Jan 24 10:13:40 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 24 07:59:49 2006. Modify the connection from the A line to the southbound Rockaway trackage to allow trains coming from Euclid to enter the Ozone Park station heading northbound.Way easier said than done. Maybe someone can make a BVE route for this because we'll damn sure never see it in real life. You got that right :) |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Jan 24 10:46:28 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 08:35:50 2006. Doesn't look like there was much protection from the weather! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 11:00:03 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Jan 24 10:46:28 2006. No, there was NO canopy whatsoever over the platform. Come to think of it, I don't believe Ozone Park did either, nor did Parkside or Brooklyn Manor near the end. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 11:01:37 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 11:00:03 2006. Although, come to think of it, we are thinking of "elevated subway platforms" thinking of canopies. Most LIRR stations even to this day don't have canopies (with the exception of some stations like Patchogue). Most are just open platforms with a shed or two. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 24 12:06:36 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 11:01:37 2006. I think the LIRR wants to discourage squatters and the homeless setting up shop on the platforms, which they might do if there was available shelter. The sheds are too small and leaky to stay in for any length of time. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 24 15:24:15 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 22 22:30:38 2006. I know this may have been asked before, but were that station and the one on the Rockaway line one and the same? (This is the one one sees driving on Atlantic Avenue.) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Jan 24 15:26:21 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 24 15:24:15 2006. One was above ground. The other was underground. |
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Posted by David H on Tue Jan 24 15:27:37 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 13:17:01 2006. I haven't seen the pics..Send them vis email if you can. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 24 17:51:04 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:07:54 2006. No, I'm pretty sure they were at 102nd St. But since the station was closed when I was 4, I won't argue it too hard. |
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Posted by TonyD on Tue Jan 24 20:14:23 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jan 23 12:12:38 2006. I don't believe that daDouce Man believes anything he's saying. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 22:35:23 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by David H on Tue Jan 24 15:27:37 2006. Here's some of them. I have some more I have to scan one day (they are slides). I really have to go through them one day, and scan the rest if they are good).http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=204568 |
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