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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Jan 27 21:26:37 2025 There's a report in NYDN today that some 'yutes took a subway train for a joyride near Jamaica - and returned it to the same station/layup area they stole it from. But they doxxed themselves by posting to Instagram. Further points subtracted for doing the R instead of the Pelham line.Given that they used reverse at some point I'm wondering it was possible for them to get into a head-on collision had they so intended. idk exactly how this works, can they get 'inside' the signaling system and break the signal enforced separation between trains? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 27 22:01:20 2025, in response to Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Jan 27 21:26:37 2025. I'll be looking for the article. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Jan 27 22:34:11 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 27 22:01:20 2025. Found it:https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/01/27/queens-crooks-post-instagram-video-showing-them-speeding-in-stolen-subway-train/ |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jan 28 04:39:54 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Jan 27 22:34:11 2025. "How come that gate ain't locked?""Who's gonna steal a subway train?!?" |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jan 28 11:30:33 2025, in response to Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Jan 27 21:26:37 2025. Was this train visible on the various control boards along it's route? And can the power be shut off to stop a rogue train? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Jan 28 11:40:40 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Dan on Tue Jan 28 11:30:33 2025. Because of the nature of tresspassers and the power removal procedures, if they had knowledge, they would pull all power and fuck up their service. Internally, they would rather have no knowledge . |
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Posted by Peter Dougherty on Wed Jan 29 11:37:33 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Jan 28 11:40:40 2025. I have questions here. My first question is how the hell did they get a lineup to take the train out of layup and onto the main line in the first place?If anybody noticed all they'd have had to do is set the next homeball to stop and that would have been that. If the yoot was any good at the controls is would have come to a controlled stop, and if not, it's BIE time. Either way, party's over. But to paraphrase Lt. Garber, how'd they learn to drive a train? "You don't pick that up watching Sesame Street." Cheers, Peter Dougherty, Author/Publisher Tracks of the NYC Subway 2025 Edition. 
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jan 29 12:46:48 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Peter Dougherty on Wed Jan 29 11:37:33 2025. I also wonder how an NTT car wouldn't have some sort of password-protected lockout such that an operator would have to enter at least a valid badge number and password in order to operate the train and maybe even a biometric factor to boot. It could even have a camera that requires a human dispatcher to make eye contact with the operator before unlocking. Additional required information might be a line and run number, destination, and so forth. |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Jan 29 14:34:35 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jan 29 12:46:48 2025. I was wondering about that too. I needed my id and password just to order a pizza this afternoon, so I'm sure the MTA can figure out a way to create some kind of 'safety login' system for a subway train. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 29 14:35:34 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jan 28 04:39:54 2025. “Forward is better than backward!!”- Caz Dolowicz |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 29 16:08:18 2025, in response to Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Jan 27 21:26:37 2025. Contrary to the daily news report, I have been told that the incident actually took place on F3 track in Brooklyn running against normal traffic. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Jan 29 17:08:34 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 29 16:08:18 2025. henceforth,sunlight pouring in the door. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 29 22:32:59 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jan 28 04:39:54 2025. “Forward is better than backward!!”- Caz Dolowicz |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 30 03:50:02 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jan 29 12:46:48 2025. The problem with a password is that with the varied number of persons authorized to operate such as extra list and vacation relief the number of passwords required would be massive.As an alternative, if all authorized persons which would, include TSSs were given a single password, it wouldn’t be too had for some miscreant to be able to find it out. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 30 03:51:40 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Peter Dougherty on Wed Jan 29 11:37:33 2025. The train was already on the mainline since in Queens many trains are laid up on O/S express tracks so it was able to get as far as the next restricting signal. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 30 09:56:28 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 30 03:50:02 2025. Passwords don't work like that. Everybody should get a user id and password, just like on every website, and should need to log in to the train, get authorized, and then be granted rights to do whatever level they need, including moving a train. They could even be to the zone level, such as a yard move does not authorize working on the line past the drop off point. And in this day and age they could be embedded in their phones, or with face ID. No single passwords, EVER. It goes against corporate IT standards 101. This is nothing new, except to a subway system that still uses 1930s technology. These trains are capable with enforcement with CBTC but probably would be hard to do with old signaling or old cars. But guess what? They are moving to CBTC and it should all be implemented with it.Consider this, you have to have an ID and PW just to post a message on this site, but you can just take a train for a joyride? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 30 10:43:40 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 29 16:08:18 2025. Where exactly is that? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 30 10:51:00 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 30 10:43:40 2025. I believe it's the 4th ave corridor in bay ridge.Update, suspects faces reportedly caught on camera as they detrained at 36th street. Update, tower personnel are under investigation for not seeing and reporting unauthorized train movement. |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Jan 30 15:52:26 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by zac on Thu Jan 30 09:56:28 2025. I think Randyo's point was that individual passwords would mean the system would have to communicate with a central location in order to find out the current list of valid passwords. The point that "new" versus "old" misses is that around 6000 cars would need to be refitted with a keypad, display and communication link. Hello Verizon, what would the monthly bill be for 6000 cell phone links?Bill |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Jan 30 16:19:45 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 30 10:51:00 2025. 'Update, tower personnel are under investigation for not seeing and reporting unauthorized train movement.'But why am I not surprised? Not on the job? Sleeping? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 30 16:27:27 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Dan on Thu Jan 30 16:19:45 2025. No. Filling out their "gap" sheets and giving lineups for the trains at 36th and 59th Streets. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 30 19:09:04 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Bill West on Thu Jan 30 15:52:26 2025. And you miss the point that it is considered not only best practice but the only practice in corporate America. This isn't rocket science to implement either. And I did say that it would be hard to do with the old cars. But with CBTC and the NTTs this should just be part of normal operations. Like I said too, you can't even post to this website without a user ID and PW, even on your phone, even underground.You are truly underestimating the current technology and overestimating the costs. Here's an example. When the MTA gave an estimate on how long it would take to get real time clocks to the B division, they said 30 years! It took maybe a year when someone that knew technology was put in charge of it. It was probably done with off the shelf parts too. No need to reinvent the wheel, something the MTA is really good at. And let me ask this. How do you get internet in your house? Do you even think about it anymore? |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 30 19:11:15 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 30 03:51:40 2025. It was in Brooklyn. |
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Posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:18:15 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by zac on Thu Jan 30 19:11:15 2025. Could there have been 2 separate incidents? ABC news reported today that the train was taken from 36th St & 4th Ave. Or really scary, could it have travelled all the way to Queens? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 30 20:33:02 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:18:15 2025. There could have been 2 incidents but there was alas, just one. |
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Posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:45:12 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 30 20:33:02 2025. Did the stolen train go from Brooklyn to Queens? |
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Posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:53:13 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:45:12 2025. Also, there are reports that a Boston orange line train was involved in the incident |
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Posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 23:26:07 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:53:13 2025. According to this People Magazine article, the mischief makers took the train from 36/4th Ave, rode a distance, then brought it back to where the took it. The next day, a m/m(train operator) took the train in service to Queens, at which point he noticed the damage the m/m(mischief makers) did.If true, that resolves some of my questions. Now if I only knew how the Boston orange line train got onto Queens Blvd tracks. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 31 03:47:42 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 30 10:51:00 2025. A number of R trains are laid up on F3 tk (S/B Exp) between 36th and 59th sts. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 31 05:41:29 2025, in response to Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 23:26:07 2025. According to this People Magazine article, the mischief makers took the train from 36/4th Ave, rode a distance, then brought it back to where the took it. The next day, a m/m(train operator) took the train in service to Queens, at which point he noticed the damage the m/m(mischief makers) did.The article is incorrect they did not take the train to Queens.. There's a homesignal just north of that station on F3 track, the dummies would have ran the homesignal at Danger if they did it that way. Also there's a switch there as well they would have most likely split it and possibly derailed the train... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 31 05:42:49 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 30 20:33:02 2025. There was one last year in Queens they caught those two nimrods... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 31 05:51:26 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 30 16:27:27 2025. Not a good look on Murphy Tower Bill, boss already throwing them under the Bus in the Press... |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Jan 31 07:48:17 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 31 05:41:29 2025. . The article is incorrect they did not take the train to Queens.. There's a homesignal just north of that station on F3 track, the dummies would have ran the homesignal at Danger if they did it that way.Also there's a switch there as well they would have most likely split it and possibly derailed the train... The article did not state that the mischief makers took the train to Queens. They went some distance then brought it back to roughly where they found it. The next day, an MTA train operator took it in service to Queens. It was there that the t/o discovered the damage that was done. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 31 07:48:45 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by zac on Thu Jan 30 09:56:28 2025. You don't need CBTC.WiFi internet connectivity is now available underground and obviously in the open air. You place a QR code sticker in every cab. The T/O scans the QR code with a smartphone which initiates a web-based app for the login. The QR code identifies the car number Authorized personnel are issued badges that have a different QR code. The log-in uses the T/O's QR code as the user name. The T/O must then enter his secret password to verify his identity. An additional precaution would be for 2-step login that calls back the T/O's smartphone and prompts for a special, and random key. Most of us have experienced similar login procedures. There would not necessarily be a lock on the car movement although it's not out of the question. The argument against a lock would be what happens in case of failure - or hacking. Imagine stopping the entire subway system in its tracks. However, the login alert can be sent to dispatchers, tower operators, etc to monitor unauthorized movements. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 31 07:50:10 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 30 16:27:27 2025. Filling out their "gap" sheets and giving lineups for the trains at 36th and 59th Streets.All of that should have been automated decades ago. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 31 07:56:30 2025, in response to Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 23:26:07 2025. Now if I only knew how the Boston orange line train got onto Queens Blvd tracks.It used the Boylston Shuttle. :=) |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Jan 31 08:26:56 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 31 07:56:30 2025. Thanks, that puts my mind to rest. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 31 08:40:04 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:18:15 2025. Makes you wonder if they will stop doing layups outside secure yard facilities, which I don't think is feasible outside massive changes to operations |
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Posted by zac on Fri Jan 31 08:56:46 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 31 07:48:45 2025. That sounds fine too. Maybe it doesn't need CBTC but that could be tied into the system as well. Where I worked we had single sign-in. Once you were authenticated to the network all systems were to use that authentication. Most corporate systems were designed to use it, and the application would control the access.It could be used with CBTC to notify of unauthorized movements without preventing them. The other thing is that passwords should expire after a certain time. I just read your comment again. You don't need the QR code on NTTs, don't they have a console? But whatever. You understand that it can be done without reinventing the wheel. For that matter we have OMNY. You tap your phone and get in. Every NTT could have an OMNY type reader. There, not reinventing the wheel but using what they already have. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 31 10:42:37 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Fri Jan 31 07:48:17 2025. That’s not how that happened either as I said the article is incorrect. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Jan 31 10:55:31 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 30 20:18:15 2025. Heypaul : It's good to hear from you. Welcome back. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 31 10:56:10 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Fri Jan 31 07:48:17 2025. If the criminals had broken several windows as reported, upon checking the train before service, the damage to the train would have been found. If the train went to Queens, it went out of service for repair. Your insistence on relying on inaccurate news reports rather that people who know how the system operates, is abrasive and annoying. Check yourself. |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Jan 31 10:59:38 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Jan 31 10:55:31 2025. Hey Larry. Thanks as always for your welcome words. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 31 11:01:14 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by zac on Fri Jan 31 08:56:46 2025. For that matter we have OMNY.I was trying to create a system that would not require something that could be forged or duplicated. There's no functional difference between an OMNY card and a key. You don't need the QR code on NTTs, don't they have a console? I was also trying to separate the login from modifying existing equipment. A QR sticker seemed like something cheap that would have no intrinsic value, if stolen. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 31 11:11:24 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by zac on Fri Jan 31 08:56:46 2025. Ah but then there is the monkey in the wrench. Server goes down or you park a train in an area where there is no signal or weak signal. What if the next group of vandals think scraping or defacing QR codes might be a good idea? We all can agree that something more needs to be done but leave us not jump. Hey, I have an idea. How about arresting these miscreants and after a very public trial, they are sent away for years and the parents are held responsible for not only the cost of repairs but the financial impact for moving the train out of service for repair and the loss of revenue because the train was not available. Send the message out loud and clear. |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Jan 31 11:15:49 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 31 10:56:10 2025. Could there have been 2 separate incidents? ABC news reported today that the train was taken from 36th St & 4th Ave. Or really scary, could it have travelled all the way to Queens?There could have been 2 incidents but there was alas, just one. If the criminals had broken several windows as reported, upon checking the train before service, the damage to the train would have been found. If the train went to Queens, it went out of service for repair. Your insistence on relying on inaccurate news reports rather that people who know how the system operates, is abrasive and annoying. Check yourself. |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Fri Jan 31 11:39:01 2025, in response to Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jan 29 12:46:48 2025. Miami Dade Transit has a similar system in place. Every bus and train of theirs won't move until the operator verifies their ID number for that run as well as interior displays showing the Operator ID. (This was one of the teething issues with their Hitachi cars where the train would reset and abruptly go BIE until the operator entered their ID again, has since been fixed). Perhaps NYCT should look into this type of technology. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 31 12:10:25 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 31 10:56:10 2025. It’s amazing how some folks just believe publications that get “TrainOperator” and “Conductor” confused 99.9 percent of the time.. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 31 12:16:39 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 31 12:10:25 2025. Yup but this could be one example of why some transit professionals shun the buffs. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 31 12:17:44 2025, in response to Re: Further Possible Info...Re: Report of R train taken for joyride today, posted by heypaul on Fri Jan 31 11:15:49 2025. My my my my my ! Aren't you the clever one with your use of HTML . |
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