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Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 11 19:39:01 2025 On News 12 Long Island plans are in the works for Northeast Corridor Amtrak trains to go to Ronkonkoma by 2027. No changing at Penn. Knowing Amtrak (which I do like except for their prices) it will probably cost a lot more than LIRR to Penn and then Amtrak to D.C or Boston. Living in East Meadow I wouldn't mind a stop at Hicksville or Mineola.
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sat Jan 11 21:05:01 2025, in response to Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 11 19:39:01 2025.* I'm usually all for more convenient and direct options, but all I can imagine at the moment are these Amtrak trains getting in the way of LIRR operations.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Jan 11 21:09:36 2025, in response to Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 11 19:39:01 2025.* When I moved to NYC in 1966, Penn Station had many notices of discontinuace of joint PRR-LIRR fares--single, RT and monthly passes. A commuter could buy a pass frompoints on PRR as far as stations on Philly area commuter lines to Garden City and other points on LIRR.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Jan 11 21:12:56 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 11 21:05:01 2025.* How many trains do they figure there going to run?? Will they be push pull or pull pull with an engine on both ends?
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Jan 11 21:18:28 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 11 21:05:01 2025.* IINM this is part of Amtrak's service downgrdes projected for supposed capacity constraints during maintenance windows of East River Tunnels. At present this is represented by the abolition of one of the two Florida trains from NYC.
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Posted by Charles G* on Sat Jan 11 21:59:49 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 21:12:56 2025.* According to the News12 article, it will be three trains per day. Dual-mode engines and stops in Jamaica and Hicksville. The Suffolk County Executive says service will start in 2027. The Amtrak spokesperson say "as early as 2028" but that infrastructure improvements such as an additional track and platform at Ronkonkoma will be needed. The whole thing seems like fantasy stuff. Why they would need an additional track or platform for three trains per day makes no sense. The complete redundancy with existing LIRR service also makes no sense. Neither Hicksville nor Ronkonkoma is a real "destination" for anyone on the Northeast Corridor. The use of dual-mode engines sounds more like it would be an extension of Empire Service from Albany and upstate -- but the quotes in the article mention Washington and Baltimore as destinations. Put me down for "not surprised" if there aren't any Amtrak trains at Ronkonkoma in 2029...
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Jan 12 13:09:51 2025, in response to Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 11 19:39:01 2025.* Sounds like fantasy.
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Posted by Italianstallion* on Sun Jan 12 16:19:23 2025, in response to Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 11 19:39:01 2025.* Ain’t going to happen. The new president is going to dismantle and defund Amtrak.
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Posted by JAzumah* on Sun Jan 12 16:27:29 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jan 12 16:19:23 2025.* I don't see that happening. Amtrak has a lot of need for modern cars and that will create manufacturing demand for capacity that can be reallocated to national defense if needed. In light of the current situation, I suspect that Amtrak could do very well.
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Posted by Italianstallion* on Sun Jan 12 16:48:39 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by JAzumah on Sun Jan 12 16:27:29 2025.* Doubtful. Republicans have already called for defunding Amtrak.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Jan 12 17:17:17 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jan 12 16:19:23 2025.* Dismantling Amtrak will never happen. Reagan tried that and he got nowhere.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sun Jan 12 18:18:20 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jan 12 16:48:39 2025.* from the party irony dept. racist Trent Lott worked to protect the Crescent, and a GOP female Senator worked to protect service in Texas...
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Andrew Saucci* on Sun Jan 12 19:00:00 2025, in response to Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 11 19:39:01 2025.* I certainly won't say that this can't happen, but the real question is what problem does it solve? Before a scheme such as that, what would actually solve a problem would be a rail link from the Ronkonkoma train station to MacArthur Airport. Other than that, is anyone on Long Island not using Amtrak because of the change at Penn Station New York? That alone wouldn't stop me. For a long-distance traveller, the layover at Penn Station probably wouldn't be a deal-killer. People are floating all manner of ideas these days-- it doesn't mean that they are even close to fruition. I'll believe this when I see funding for actual work (not studies) included in someone's capital budget. Quite a number of seemingly trivial but necessary details would need to be resolved, starting with voltage, shoes, qualifying crews and equipment, work rules, and so on. Can it be done? Sure-- but my question is still, "why?"
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Posted by Allen45* on Sun Jan 12 19:03:13 2025, in response to Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 11 19:39:01 2025.* Maybe they should Amtrak to Montauk.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Jan 12 20:26:50 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Allen45 on Sun Jan 12 19:03:13 2025.* That would be nice. IIRC the PRR had a few thru trains to Montauk about 100 years ago. Today, in the summertime it just wouldn't work. Not enough track capacity with all those existing LIRR summer extras. AFAIK its single track from Speonk to Montauk with scattered passing sidings. Just not enough track.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 12 20:34:47 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by JAzumah on Sun Jan 12 16:27:29 2025.* The last thing that CAF or Siemens would be inclined to help with is US national defense.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 12 20:39:44 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 12 19:00:00 2025.* They don't even run a bus shuttle between Ronkonkoma station and ISP; why would they ever build a rail spur there?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jan 12 20:46:11 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 12 20:26:50 2025.* How many Amtraks would you think would run to Montauk if they ever instituted the service? LIRR runs just nine (eastbound; six WB) on weekdays and five each way on weekends. One or two Amtraks could probably theoretically fit, but where's the demand?
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Posted by JAzumah* on Mon Jan 13 00:25:38 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 12 20:34:47 2025.* You are incorrect. Unfortunately, almost all of Europe has been dragged into this terrible idea of a war with Russia and it is getting out of hand. They will cooperate if asked to do so and in 2-3 years, they will be asked to do so unless something changes.
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Posted by JAzumah* on Mon Jan 13 00:33:37 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jan 12 16:48:39 2025.* Republicans like modern fast trains, not slow ones. Amtrak has figured this out and have crafted a plan that should do fine in the second Trump administration. The only constraint is whether the railcar manufacturers can keep up with demand. Even if a bunch of new cars get put on slow trains, industrial manufacturing is how you naturally raise the living standards across the country. If you are reliable and can stay off drugs, manufacturers will teach you how to do what they need. This is a desirable outcome for the new administration.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Jan 13 03:21:18 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jan 13 00:33:37 2025.* Hopefully, if Trump has his way we can starts seeing railcars manufactured in the USA by genuine USA manufacturers instead of foreign companies with satellite factories in the US.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Mon Jan 13 07:18:58 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Allen45 on Sun Jan 12 19:03:13 2025.* Wasnt there once PRR service from PA to Monatuk at some point?
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Mon Jan 13 07:19:42 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jan 12 16:19:23 2025.* Like Reagan and both Bushs did? 🙄
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Mon Jan 13 07:20:44 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jan 12 16:48:39 2025.* They've called for a lot of things. One thing both parties are good at is calling for things on the campaign trail but not on the floor of Congress.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Mon Jan 13 08:31:15 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 13 03:21:18 2025.* That would be interesting.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Mon Jan 13 09:32:48 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 13 07:18:58 2025.* About 100 or so years ago a few thru trains ran as an experiment. Didn't last long
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Avid Reader* on Mon Jan 13 09:40:22 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Charles G on Sat Jan 11 21:59:49 2025.* Ronkonkoma is smack next to Islip/MacArthur Airport. So, rethink the possibilities.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma Photos
Posted by Avid Reader* on Mon Jan 13 10:01:27 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 13 09:40:22 2025.* Ronkonkoma is smack next to Islip/MacArthur Airport. So, rethink the possibilities.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Mon Jan 13 13:59:16 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 13 08:31:15 2025.* like boeing??? I despise Siemens among other reasons because as an electrician I find their breaker panes inferior. That said, we have essentially 4 brands of circuitbreakers in the US. GE brand are owned by ABB, Square D by Group Schneider, Siemens, and Eaton. Only Eaton as successor to Cutler Hammer and Bryant (once a piece of Westinghouse, is a US firm.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Train Dude* on Mon Jan 13 14:04:45 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jan 12 16:19:23 2025.* Really? Based on what other than your petty hatreds?
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Mon Jan 13 14:35:56 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 13 07:20:44 2025.* Or voting against Federal spending but then horning in on the ribbon cutting when the money came to their districts.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Jan 13 15:50:06 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jan 13 00:25:38 2025.* You are incorrect Proof by assertion. EU companies are loyal to the EU and not the USA. Unfortunately, almost all of Europe has been dragged into this terrible idea of a war with Russia and it is getting out of hand. They will cooperate if asked to do so You're assuming that the USA still leads NATO. Clinton handed leadership of NATO over to the EU back in the 1990s. And it's only the left that has fomented the notion of a "war with Russia". The EU is cooperating with Russia behind the scenes, as has Biden openly prior to Russia going into Ukraine. PS. Why are you trying to turn Subchat into OTChat?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Jan 13 15:54:20 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma Photos, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 13 10:01:27 2025.* No and no. Amtrak burned bridges with Bombardier decades ago over the Acela I, even though they used ALP-46s on the last NYP-PHL Clockers. (BBD Transportation is now part of Alstom.) And thanks so much for opening that wound for me, showing Westfield NJ as a two-track line when that was part of a four-track main line. PS. Ronkonkoma station may be right next to ISP, but there isn't even a shuttle bus operating between the station and the airport terminal.
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Posted by JAzumah* on Mon Jan 13 16:49:33 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 13 03:21:18 2025.* I am ok with foreign firms that pay well manufacturing in America using Americans. We can get sensible rail designs that the companies already know how to build.
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Posted by JAzumah* on Mon Jan 13 17:06:42 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 13 15:50:06 2025.* I am not turning SubChat into OTChat, but the reality is that transportation and politics are heavily intertwined. It always has been and because transportation modes are the blood vessels of a society, it always will be. The people who can't handle that can go to NurseryChat and suck their thumbs. Amtrak still existed after the first Trump Administration and it will still exist after the second Trump Administration. It annoys me that people don't understand that Trump doesn't really care what we build here as long as it provides Americans more quality jobs. That means he will be happy to see more buses and trains built here. If you have a plan that is cost-effective and has transportation value, it will still go forward. Do I think it is useful that Amtrak goes to Ronkonkoma? Not really? Is it an elegant solution to lower the pressure on Sunnyside Yard? Maybe. Will LIers ride it? Absolutely.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Jan 13 17:10:14 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jan 13 16:49:33 2025.* Nope. That's imperialism. And since when did Americans suddenly not know how to build?
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma
Posted by Italianstallion* on Mon Jan 13 17:12:40 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jan 13 00:33:37 2025.* You guys are in denial. Republicans hate trains,
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Jan 13 17:13:38 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma Photos, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 13 15:54:20 2025. Plans for a new development in the area(the area around Ronkonkoma station has really gone through a transformation with new Co-ops, Condos, Apartments, shops and restaurants/bars with more development including offices planned) includes moving the Airport’s Passenger Terminal closer to the rail station. Jet Blue has some flights going to Florida from Islip.
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Posted by Italianstallion* on Mon Jan 13 17:17:32 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 13 14:04:45 2025.* I’ll check back to this thread in about 6 months and we’ll see.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Mon Jan 13 22:38:48 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jan 13 17:12:40 2025.* No, not in all cases. Kay Bailey Hutchison Sen,R from Texas, and Trent Lott Sen R from Miss both worked to support Amtrak service for their constituents. FWIW, the the only time I actually voted for a GOP pol was Lindsay for his second term when he had to hide out on the Liberal ticket because a Bircher frm SSI had won the R primary slot. That said, the Dems and the GOP compete to do the bidding of the same kleptogarchs--the Amtrak founding legisltion was intended as a gift to the major RRs. Fortunately Americans came back to raildespite freight RR sabotage.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Jan 13 23:43:04 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma Photos, posted by Q4 on Mon Jan 13 17:13:38 2025.* The ironic thing is that if the airport terminal moves closer to the train station, then that would leave fewer seats for local passengers. And no, high-density dwellings are a really bad idea.
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Jan 14 01:12:35 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma Photos, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 13 23:43:04 2025. The current development has definitely revitalized the area from what I’ve seen.
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Posted by Allen45* on Tue Jan 14 12:49:26 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 12 20:26:50 2025.* You can have Amtrak pick up the NYC to Hamptons market with all the Montauk trains being Amtrak trains with full cafe car service etc. A typical commuter rail operation would not go as far as Montauk to begin with. I think they may even be able to do a better job with North Fork service too. Also allows the LIRR to concentrate its diesel fleet on commuter trains like Port Jeff or Oyster Bay.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Jan 14 14:51:16 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 14 12:49:26 2025.* "A typical commuter rail operation would not go as far as Montauk to begin with." The LIRR never did. Its "commuter" territory on the Montauk branch ended at Speonk "Also allows the LIRR to concentrate its diesel fleet on commuter trains like Port Jeff" That was tried a few years back by leasing MARC cars for PT Jeff service & sending all those bi levels to Montauk in the summer. That didn't sit very well with the PJ line riders and was never repeated. After that experiment, I thought they'd be a groundswell of howling commuters demanding 3d rail to PJ. Apparently that never happened.
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Posted by Allen45* on Tue Jan 14 15:11:43 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 14 14:51:16 2025.* The problem is that they leased MARC cars. Making Montauk service all Amtrak avoids this.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Jan 14 17:11:53 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 14 14:51:16 2025.* The MTA ignores "howling commuters".
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Jan 14 20:40:11 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 17:11:53 2025.* Not if there in the "quiet car" , If they still have them that is!
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Posted by sloth* on Tue Jan 14 22:54:58 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 12 19:00:00 2025.* A crew change at Penn with LIRR operating the trains over their own territory wouldn't violate any work rules. You'd just have to qualify 2,000 people on the equipment. If properly executed a crew change would take only as long as the departing crew needs to get their bags. So that might not be a major obstacle unless Amtrak insists on having their people operate.
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Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?
Posted by Allen45* on Wed Jan 15 18:27:56 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 12 20:46:11 2025.* You just make all Montauk trains Amtrak.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jan 15 21:45:06 2025, in response to Re: Amtrak to/from Ronkonkoma?, posted by Allen45 on Wed Jan 15 18:27:56 2025.* Heh. Don't think the MTA would willingly give anything to Amtrak. But I'll try waving my magic wand . . .
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