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Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 15:47:34 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 4 19:14:44 2012. That's another error on the part of the MTA. All the NTTs should be fully compatible even if it's only for the purpose of yard moves and shop transfers. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 15:57:50 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by J trainloco on Mon Jun 4 20:41:13 2012. I really couldn't care less about the so called proprietary systems put into the cars. The problem with manufacturers today is that they are not held to the standard of excellence demanded by the consumers. We seem to have lost the sense of OBLIGATION that made this country great which is why we are losing manufacturing to companies outside the US. It is of utmost importance that manufacturers acceded to the demands of the consumers under penalty of the most severe consequences. Basically the standard should or actually MUST be that Regardless of who manufactures the parts all cars from a certain point will be fully compatible to the unconditional satisfaction of the MTA. How it's done is the job of the manufacturer and there should be means in place, possibly legislative that will obligate the manufacturers to perform to any and all imposed standards. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:10:43 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by 5119 on Tue Jun 5 11:32:16 2012. One Sunday in early 1970, I operated a RR train consisting of 2 R-27/30s, 1 R-16, 2 R-32s, 1 R-16 and 2 R-27/30s. With regard to compatibility, not that I describe the end units as "R-27/30s" since the R-27s and 30s were so similar that they were virtually one type of car for operational purposes much like the R-1s through (s from an earlier era. You may also recall that the entire fleet of BMT 67 ft steels were operated as one class of car even though they came from various manufacturers and even had minor design differences yet all were fully compatible and often operated in mixed trains. the same was also true of IRT LO-Vs the only exception being the Steinways although both standard geared and Steinway geared cars also came from varied manufacturers and were mixed within their individual car types. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:18:06 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by 5119 on Tue Jun 5 11:38:51 2012. I just made a post on this very topic. Keep in mind though that with the exception of Steinway geared cars, once the Lo-V motor control system and AMUE brake system had been established as the standard for the IRT all subsequent Lo-V cars were fully compatible with all previous Lo-V cars despite the fact that like many of the R type contracts, their motor control equipments were split between WH and GE. Once the standard of compatibility is included in the contract, it becomes the responsibility of the railcar manufacturer to insure that that obligation is fully met. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:21:07 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by RailBus63 on Mon Jun 4 21:49:23 2012. Not a bad analogy. Even other cities pretty much settled on a more or less standard car design limited only by the dimensions of their individual infrastructures. Chicago especially comes to mind with its fleet of over 700 "Spam can" cars of almost identical design all of which were fully compatible. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:22:42 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by blue8irt on Tue Jun 5 00:58:45 2012. Well, now that the graffiti problem has been conquered for the most part, maybe it's time to go back to the wide blue stripe under the widow line on the car body sides. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:26:41 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 4 19:33:01 2012. It can't be a shop of an R-142 since R-142 and all IRT cars are straight sided while the car in the picture is curved sided like BMT/IND cars. Also the cars in the photo have 4 doors per side while IRT cars only have 3 doors per side. It could be an R-160 photoshopped into Unionport Yard but it is definitely NOT any IRT car. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:27:49 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 4 19:33:01 2012. It can't be a shop of an R-142 since R-142 and all IRT cars are straight sided while the car in the picture is curved sided like BMT/IND cars. Also the cars in the photo have 4 doors per side while IRT cars only have 3 doors per side. It could be an R-160 photoshopped into Unionport Yard but it is definitely NOT any IRT car. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jun 5 16:51:08 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 15:44:38 2012. But the transverse seating is so comfortable. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jun 5 16:52:48 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:22:42 2012. Unfortunately the graffiti problem has not been solved, the r-160's were a target for acid vandalism. Within a short period of time, most R-160's in the east had some sort of acid graffiti, fortunately the TA then took it seriously and buffs out the acid tags. It is now thankfully a rare sight.In any event, perhaps the color stipe could be added into the steel similar to the red msrkings on the R-142. Maybe a blue stripe could be manufactured into the steel. You are only taking a chance with paint. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 5 17:29:35 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Handbrake on Mon Jun 4 21:55:14 2012. Why did they replace 1964 trucks with 1947 trucks on the R32's ? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 18:11:51 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 15:57:50 2012. I really couldn't care less about the so called proprietary systems put into the cars.Okay, but then you're ignoring a fundamental part of the manufacture of EMUs. These days. The problem with manufacturers today is that they are not held to the standard of excellence demanded by the consumers. We seem to have lost the sense of OBLIGATION that made this country great which is why we are losing manufacturing to companies outside the US. US manufacturing standards are generally more highly regarded than manufacturing in many foreign countries. The 'standard of excellence demanded by the consumer' which you refer to is generally non-existant: manufacturing is leaving this country because most American consumers are primarily concerned with one thing: price. Cheap foreign goods have become more popular than higher quality domestic goods. Basically the standard should or actually MUST be that Regardless of who manufactures the parts all cars from a certain point will be fully compatible to the unconditional satisfaction of the MTA. Understand that this would COST MONEY. The days of the Transit Authority specifying relatively simple parts that will be compatible with other cars because they are equally simple are over. What you are asking for is basically like buying a bunch of Ford trucks, then buying a bunch of Chevys and demanding that all the parts in the Chevy be totally compatible with the Ford parts. Or like buying a bunch of PCs and then demanding that when you order Macs they be totally compatible with all the programs you run on your PC. And while that certainly IS possible (I.e.-windows for Mac), it costs you extra money. For the minor benefit that interoperability would provide, I doubt the cost would be worth it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 5 18:23:06 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 4 20:50:52 2012. The R-110b was never supposed to "work out". It was a train to test new technology concepts for durability and reliability in the transit environment. The length of the car was an anomaly because a 6-car unit would be only 402 feet long and couldn't replace an 8-car train of 60 foot cars. It would never have been purchased for the eastern division in that configuration. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 5 18:46:21 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:10:43 2012. That R27/R16/R32 mess that you operated: Did it buck and jerk a lot ?I'd imagine the R32's gave the R16 in front and behind it quite a jolt as the latter did not like to move. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jun 5 19:08:21 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 15:47:34 2012. Is it worth Transit tying itself to one propulsion supplier to get compatibility? |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 19:13:01 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Dan on Tue Jun 5 16:51:08 2012. I can only hope they have transverse seating to the R211s, but looking at the 1874 current NTTs and the additional 300 coming in 2017 that may not happen. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 19:18:06 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by merrick1 on Tue Jun 5 19:08:21 2012. They should at least attempt to make them compatible. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jun 5 19:30:47 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by RailBus63 on Mon Jun 4 21:49:23 2012. The IRT had over a thousand R 21 through R 33 cars which all looked pretty much the same. (except the R 33 Worlds Fair cars) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 19:45:43 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 19:18:06 2012. That costs money. That would be a waste. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 20:01:19 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 16:27:49 2012. What we mean is, it's a real picture of an R-142 at Unionport Yard, but then the body of the train was replaced with an R-179 mock-up. The trucks and everything below are an R-142, and original to the picture. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 20:45:38 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 18:11:51 2012. I don't see any reason why compatible operating systems fro railcars can't be installed the way the GE, WH and WABCO propulsion and braking systems were installed in pre NTT equipment. I remember seeing the specs for the GOHing of the R-46s which specified that the Master controller in the operating cabs were to be WABCO Cineston or an equivalent. Even though initially, it might seem to be a little more costly to specify total compatibility, the purchase and stockpiling of compatible equipment in large bulk orders rather than smaller orders of different equipments would probably save more money in the long run. Having one basic type of car for the entire system would probably be more economical for the long haul. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 20:58:54 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Dan on Tue Jun 5 16:51:08 2012. If the TA were not so anxious to stuff as many sardines, er, passengers into each car transverse seating could be installed like it was on all BMT/IND cars up to and including the R-16s. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:01:59 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by merrick1 on Tue Jun 5 19:08:21 2012. It doesn't have to be limited to one supplier. Up to the R-40s propulsion equipment was split between WH and GE and door controls were divided up among various suppliers such as National Pneumatic, Consolidated, Vapor and Midland Ross and all the cars from R-10s up to the R-42s were fully capable of operating in the same train and often did. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:03:42 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 5 18:46:21 2012. Along that trip, the train developed several dead motors and eventually had to go out of service. It barely made it out of the 60 St tube and into Qnsbro Plaza. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:06:59 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 5 17:29:35 2012. From what I was told by some IND old timers, the R-10s went through several truck changes between the originals which would have been circa 1948 and the final set which became NYCTA standard and the replacement trucks were probably stored somewhere like 207 Yd unused for many years until they were needed, something which I hadn't though of earlier. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:08:17 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by merrick1 on Tue Jun 5 19:30:47 2012. Even the earlier R-17 were similar in appearance except for the porthole storm door window. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:08:59 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jun 5 16:52:48 2012. That sounds good to me. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:10:47 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 20:01:19 2012. The possible reason for "R-142" trucks under the cars is that they are specifically Bombardier and will likely be the same type of truck installed under the R-179. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Jun 5 21:11:44 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 18:11:51 2012. US manufacturing standards are generally more highly regarded than manufacturing in many foreign countries. The 'standard of excellence demanded by the consumer' which you refer to is generally non-existant: manufacturing is leaving this country because most American consumers are primarily concerned with one thing: price. Cheap foreign goods have become more popular than higher quality domestic goods.The 'problem', IMO, is not so much that consumers (both individuals and large entities like the MTA) purchase only based on price and settle for 'cheap foreign goods', but that many of those goods are of relatively high quality themselves these days. As an example, I purchased my first new Nikon SLR in 1982 at a price of approximately $230. With inflation, that amount was equivalent to $504 in 2009 when I purchased a Nikon D40 digital SLR camera for not much more. Now my 1982 film Nikon helped me take some great photos over the years, but its capabilities pale compared to what I can do with the DSLR. I can make a similar comparison between the first TV set I bought in 1985 and the flatscreen set I now own. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 21:32:47 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 19:45:43 2012. The MTA won't do it obviously. They won't do it even if they did have the money, cause that's just them. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jun 5 21:40:19 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by RailBus63 on Tue Jun 5 21:11:44 2012. I purchased my first new Nikon SLR in 1982Nikon FM2? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 22:08:01 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 20:45:38 2012. I don't see any reason why compatible operating systems fro railcars can't be installed the way the GE,WH and WABCO propulsion and braking systems were installed in pre NTT equipment.Because GE, WH and WABCO were, generally, supplying components in a common system. Bombardier, Alstom and Kawasaki are supplying entire SYSTEMS. Even though initially,it might seem to be a little more costly to specify total compatibility,the purchase and stockpiling of compatible equipment in large bulk orders rather than smaller orders of different equipments would probably save more money in the long run. Having one basic type of car for the entire system would probably be more economical for the long haul. But understand that by buying these proprietary systems instead of specifying individual components, you are getting the economy of scale from buying a company's system that has gone into multiple car procurements at multiple agencies around the world. By allowing car makers to supply their proprietary systems, instead of forcing them to make you a custom build, you get a better bang for your buck, as the car makers can provide you with their standard product. Understand that NYCT has 2 sets of car fleets that are VERY similar (R62/62A and R68/68A), and they don't inter-operate them. Why waste the money on the NTTs? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 22:14:41 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 21:32:47 2012. But what's the practical advantage? They don't interoperate their compatible fleets. So why spend millions on something you won't use? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jun 5 22:16:30 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 20:58:54 2012. Why did they stop using transverse seating on the 60ft cars? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 5 22:25:22 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:01:59 2012. At least as far back as the R-10s and through the R-40s, all NYCT cars were built with roughly 1/2 with GE and 1/2 with Westinghouse propulsion packages with the exception of the R-22. All 225 cars had Westinghouse Propulsion. All R-42s also had Westinghouse packages.(Note: R-30As had GE packages only) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 04:25:00 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jun 5 22:16:30 2012. Because with all longitudinal seats, more passengers per car can be carried since cars can accommodate more standees. During rush hours the TA isn't concerned with seated loads but how many passengers can be crammed into the cars whether standing or seated. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 04:26:51 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 22:14:41 2012. There may at some point come a time when total fleet compatibility may be required and remember you can always not use what you have but you can NEVER use what you don't have!!!! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 04:30:27 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 5 22:25:22 2012. R-22s were divided equally between WH and GE cars. There were 450 R-22s in all. 7300-7524 were WH and 7525-7749 were GE. The first cars to be delivered with only WH control packages were the R-42s. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 04:32:16 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by J trainloco on Tue Jun 5 22:08:01 2012. I don't perceive it as a waste. If all railcar component manufacturers were required by law to make all systems fully compatible expenses would definitely come down. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 6 08:16:17 2012, in response to Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Gold_12TH on Mon Jun 4 17:31:31 2012. I'm glad this step has been taken. From what all TA-insiders post here, more cars are a serious priority. The pic idnicates that the R179s will look very (at least) similar to R160s...true?I also aks thse in the know- can the remaining R32 and R42s carry the day 'till the R179s are fully in service? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 6 08:18:58 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 20:58:54 2012. LOL...that's wht they think of us..."sardines", huh..? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 6 09:52:44 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jun 5 21:40:19 2012. Nikon EM |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 6 10:17:06 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 04:32:16 2012. If all railcar component manufacturers were required by law to make all systems fully compatible expenses would definitely come down.Do you really want bureaucrats in Washington deciding which technologies must be adopted? How will you feel when the needs of some smaller transit system with 60 or 80 cars compromises what otherwise might have been the best design for NYC? The President's Conference Committee is one of the shining examples of mass transit technological development in the United States, yet complete interoperational ability was not mandated. The committee gave carbuilders and equipment suppliers leeway to best meet their performance standards, the same as the MTA has done. Systems that operated multiple-unit PCC streetcars and rapid transit trains often had to segment car types into seperate trains for optimum operation. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 16:08:46 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 6 08:18:58 2012. Over the years, many references have been made in the press and other places likening NYCTS passengers to sardines. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 6 16:41:23 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 5 21:03:42 2012. Probably the R16 started it, overloaded the other cars, and they all burned out or tripped breakers |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 6 16:42:39 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 04:25:00 2012. I am not convinced of that. People can stick their feet out into the aisle and take up standing room. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jun 6 16:45:58 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 5 22:25:22 2012. I agree with Randy, I remember upper 7500s to 7749 assigned to E180 with air blower resister grids. R42 is correct, I think the Westcodes were added on later after delivery. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 6 16:47:01 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by randyo on Wed Jun 6 04:30:27 2012. I though they made some attempt to not mix GE and WH cars, even if they mixed different types of cars. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jun 6 16:56:27 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 6 16:47:01 2012. Not easy for a yardmaster to keep track of control types when scratching up service. Easier to keep fleets together. SOme shops got one or two car types assigned like Pelham so they could use only one control group which made maintainance and parts gathering easier while others were stuck with one type of car for service like Corona or Pitkin where all R10s and R36s ended up being mixed. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jun 6 19:26:52 2012, in response to Re: Bombardier to Supply 300 New (R-179) Subway Cars for NYC Transit --- P.R., posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 6 10:17:06 2012. Incompatibility between GE & WH equipment goes all the way back to the PCC car. Multiple Units between GE and WH cars was impossible. Toronto, for example would only buy WH cars new or brought from other properties. Baltimore Transit before NCL got control was planning 100 WH equipped all electric MU PCC cars to replace the MU Semiconvertibles dating to 1918. |
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