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"Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall" |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 16:48:36 2012 With a video of a "C" train, Channel 7 will supposedly report on this Friday. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 19 17:20:49 2012, in response to "Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall", posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 16:48:36 2012. Time to do a full 6 year heavy SMS on all remaining R32's, R42's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 17:27:10 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 19 17:20:49 2012. Need many gallons of Neutra-rust to dump all over the R42 roof tops.It's presumptuous to say right now if the R179 is dissed again, but why is it M-9's can be ordered in part to replace 25 year old M-3's as the assholes are too cheap to overhaul them, yet R32's, 20 years their elder, must keep on going. Ronan-style elitism (veiled racism ?) alive and well at the MTA. On the LIRR, 10 year old MP75's were gone in 1973 while the TA still had 1,000 Arnines running. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 20:27:30 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 17:27:10 2012. Although the public perceives of the mTA as being this gigantic mega agency, the M/N, LIRR, TBTA and NYCTA are still separate agencies which were put under the MTA umbrella, but still maintain separate budgets due to having been separately funded by bond issues years ago. |
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Posted by andy on Thu Jan 19 20:46:24 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 17:27:10 2012. "On the LIRR, 10 year old MP75's were gone in 1973"Not true. The MP75s and their older, MP72 brethren were converted from MU electrics to loco-hauled push-pull coaches in the 1973-74 prtiof. This was done in order to replace non-AC diesel cars that were in many cases 50 years old in 1973. The MP75s and MP72s ran in diesel service till about 2000. By then the oldest MP72s were 45 years old. |
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Posted by andy on Thu Jan 19 20:48:54 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 17:27:10 2012. Also need to keep in mind that commuter rail cars are outdoors virtually all of the time, subjected to rain and snow and wind, and in the case of the LIRR, 300 grade crossings and the road salt that gets sucked into the wheels and motors during normal winters. Being able to operate undergroun and in some cases sleep underground keeps subway cars in better shape. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 19 22:18:19 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by andy on Thu Jan 19 20:48:54 2012. That seems logical. However, the oldest equipment operating on SEPTA is the 1963 Budd Silverliner II's. Second oldest is the 1967 Saint Louis Car Silverliner III's. 
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jan 19 22:23:59 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 19 17:20:49 2012. I thought the R32s were undergoing SMS right now. When that's done, i've heard grumblings that the R42s may very well head off to the scrap heap. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 22:59:27 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by J trainloco on Thu Jan 19 22:23:59 2012. While its a shame that the newer and more aesthetically more modern looking R-42s may go sooner that the older R-32s it's a tribute to the Budd Co that their cars are able to last as long as they are as is the case with the oldest silverliners which are also Budd products. Even pre GOH, I found the R-32s to be the best operating of the postwar BMT/IND cars. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Jan 20 00:15:23 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 22:59:27 2012. They are already Being SMS'ed 3404/5 are at CI main shop with others getting their SMS plus their interiors will be repainted with a new color to match with the NTT's |
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Posted by Bill West on Fri Jan 20 00:41:27 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 19 22:18:19 2012. As enduring as Budd equipment is, cars aged 49 and 45 years still have a way to go to outlive the MP-54’s they replaced.Bill |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 20 01:55:28 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by R32_3671 on Fri Jan 20 00:15:23 2012. That's interesting, especially since their original interior colors were very similar although not completely identical to the NTTs. It would be nice if the 75 ft cars and the R-62s could be redone to match. Of course, the R-62s and 68s due to their predominantly stainless steel interiors would need very little for them to match, just the fiberglass inserts around the windows and side signs and the seats, some of which have already been done. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jan 20 02:03:14 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 22:59:27 2012. They should have ordered 800 R32s instead of 600 R32s and 200 R38s. Those St. Louis cars were not nearly as durable. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 02:06:23 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by randyo on Fri Jan 20 01:55:28 2012. It would be nice if the 75 ft cars and the R-62s could be redone to matchNo. The last thing this system needs is more bland, cookie-cutter cars. I like the distinctive orange seats of the R46 and R68's. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 20 02:39:10 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jan 20 02:03:14 2012. I doubt 50+ years ago when those orders were done they ever thought the R-32s would still be in service while potentially FOUR later classes of cars on the BMT/IND (R-38, R-40, R-42 and R-44) all were completely retired and in the scrap heap along with the R-33 and R-36 IRT cars that came out not too long before or at the same time as the R-32s.To put it in perspective, the BMT Standards were still in service when the R-32s debuted in 1964. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 20 03:28:30 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 22:59:27 2012. tribute to the Budd Co that their cars are able to last as long as they are as is the case with the oldest silverliners which are also Budd products.Even older (1962) are the Japanese cousins the Tokyu 7000 series, built by Tokyu Sharyo under Budd's license. Some of them are still in service albeit above ground. They've been overhauled over the years so much you could say they only retain their shells by now.  BTW, Tokyu Group sold its car building Sharyo Company to JR(Japan Railways) last year. So the M4 builders are no more. |
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Posted by Bill West on Fri Jan 20 06:11:56 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 20 03:28:30 2012. Via’s Budd built “The Canadian” car sets have been making 2800 mile round trips every 7-8 days since 1955.Bill |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 20 07:28:17 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Bill West on Fri Jan 20 06:11:56 2012. Which reminded me of the RDC. Didn't some of them have their guts totally replaced, like the 7000? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 20 07:53:09 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 02:06:23 2012. Plus the R-46s still have those symbols on their interior walls. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 20 07:54:08 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 20 02:39:10 2012. So were the Triplexes, which the R-32s replaced (prematurely). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 08:48:22 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by andy on Thu Jan 19 20:48:54 2012. Not to mention the condition these LIRR things were in by the time they were retired.....WAY past their useful life (for commuters, for railfans they were a dream!)
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 20 08:54:39 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 17:27:10 2012. But MNRR kept running those ex-NYC ACMUs all the way into the 21st century... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 20 09:07:03 2012, in response to "Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall", posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 16:48:36 2012. Ley em Stay i rock with em on the Weekends... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 20 09:07:12 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 20 09:07:03 2012. *Let |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Jan 20 09:42:29 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 20 09:07:03 2012. Envious, I am. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 20 10:05:19 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 08:48:22 2012. WAY past their useful life (for commuters, for railfans they were a dream!)Blueliners and MP54 in SEPTA livery came to my mind. Also the Deux Montagnes line in Montréal. I wonder which one of them ran the longest... Probably MP54 or Montréal. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 20 10:09:57 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by cortelyounext on Fri Jan 20 09:42:29 2012. Dont Be Im just doing a job i enjoy! |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jan 20 10:15:26 2012, in response to "Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall", posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 16:48:36 2012. Here's a video: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8512298I find it comical that they are referring to the R46s on the A as the "sleek, modern trains". They only have to go a little further up the line into Manhattan to contrast the R32s running on the C with the R160s now running on the E. Wouldn't the rocking around also have more to do with the tracks than just the trains themselves? Not long ago (at least when they ran on the E) the R32s seemed to be well climate controlled. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Jan 20 10:33:17 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jan 20 10:15:26 2012. I have a very strange feeling the R32s may still be in service even after 2017. Only time will tell though. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 20 11:24:04 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 20 10:05:19 2012. Scratch Deux-Montagnes. The locomotives were in service since 1918 but the EMUs were much newer, 1952-95. Blueliners 1931-90. So MP54(AC) 1915-80 wins.Automotrice électrique CC&F  BTW Athens Piraeus line's wooden stock beats them all 1904-85. I'm glad I had a chance to ride them in the seventies. They are probably the oldest EMUs in its original form that I ever rode in my life. 
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:32:37 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by andy on Thu Jan 19 20:46:24 2012. I understand that, but they were still deemed obsolete for MU service, and would have been gone regardless if they did not have a diesel service to shove hand-me downs.They could have just bought sufficient M-1's to replace the MP54 (in 1966, the order number was to be 500), and buy cheaper Comet-I's for the diesel lines. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 11:35:32 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 20 07:53:09 2012. +1 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 20 11:35:50 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 02:06:23 2012. I rather prefer Avocado, Pea Green or Bronze, reminiscent of the 1960's kitchen appliances. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:37:06 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by randyo on Fri Jan 20 01:55:28 2012. The R62's really have a grungy interior.Credit that to just dirty light fixtures, back lit advertising that withholds lumens, and nothing down the center of the car. They need a makeover with LED's and a lot of Brillo and Clorox 2. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 11:37:23 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jan 20 10:15:26 2012. Compared to the R32's, the R46's are sleek and modern. In fact, I personally prefer the R46 over the R160. As for the R32, back when they were on the E, I was so miserable. Call me vain, but I don't like old trains (with some exceptions like the Redbirds). |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:37:57 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 20 02:39:10 2012. Wooden Q's ran 64 years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:41:30 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jan 20 10:15:26 2012. The ditz reporter doesn't like Budd corrugated stainless.She must watch too much HGTV - sees kitchen/bath fixtures or formica counter top and says in disgust "it's dated", then racks up $10K credit card debt for granite counter top. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 11:48:22 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:41:30 2012. Heaven forbid if someone doesn't worship the R32. Why force riders to ride a car they clearly don't enjoy? Yes, railfans like the R32 because it has a railfan window, but from the perspective of a rider it is a rust bucket. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:51:43 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 11:48:22 2012. Stainless doesn't rust. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 11:57:38 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:51:43 2012. Ok, replace rust bucket with eyesore. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 20 11:59:44 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:32:37 2012. They weren't deemed obsolete, it was simply easier to purchase new MU's and use the older cars as replacement for diesel coaches, as opposed to buying new versions of both kinds of cars. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 20 12:04:06 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Bill West on Fri Jan 20 00:41:27 2012. Those cars only stuck around that long because the railroads were going broke when their useful life came to an end (early 60's). FWIH, the MP54's by 1970 were old, tired, unreliable and SLOW. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 20 12:08:27 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by randyo on Fri Jan 20 01:55:28 2012. NO NO NO NO. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 20 12:14:51 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 08:48:22 2012. Did diesel trains run push-pull back then, or double-headed like the Cannonball? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 20 12:16:50 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 20 12:14:51 2012. Push pull, but since the LIRR coaches did not have cabs, a locomotive had to placed at each end. Usually, it was an HEP-less GP38 providing the traction power and an older Alco unit at the other end providing the controls in "push" mode along with HEP for the passenger cars. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 20 12:17:04 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 20 11:37:06 2012. I agree, the R68s look slightly better but they're also not easy on the eyes IMO. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 20 12:19:34 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 20 12:16:50 2012. Awesome, so I guess they operated like the Amtrak Cascades train in Oregon/Washington. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 20 12:44:32 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 20 11:48:22 2012. Most riders don't "enjoy" riding any subway car. They just want a car that won't breakdown, has functioning heat/AC, is reasonably clean and is as quiet as possible. If R32s had their ACs fixed, they'd be amenable to most people. |
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Posted by numbersix on Fri Jan 20 12:52:11 2012, in response to Re: ''Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall'', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jan 20 10:15:26 2012. Accuracy of news reports on WABC varies inversely with the distance from 67th and Columbus. |
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Posted by BMRR on Fri Jan 20 12:52:54 2012, in response to "Oldest subway cars not being replaced afterall", posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 19 16:48:36 2012. Lets strap Lisa to an R9, that will give her a bumpy ride!!! |
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