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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:43:50 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:40:43 2010. What continent do they consider they are on? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 01:44:11 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:38:54 2010. Wow. You are hyper-sensitive to this. And making no sense.No tolerance for ignorant bitchassness like that. It makes complete sense if you don't have anything against blacks and hispanics, let me put it more simply for you: Hispanic ≠ Mexican |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:46:13 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:42:50 2010. I look white though. I don't look like the kids on Jersey Shore. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:47:19 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:43:50 2010. I think they consider themselves Central American, which I guess is South America. I just know that I hear references to it all the time on Univision and Galavision. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:49:37 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:46:13 2010. Me too. Nothing to be ashamed of. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 01:50:07 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:42:11 2010. Articles in the paper?Articles in the paper state that they come from countries all over South America, not just Mexico. When I go to Koreatown and see Asians I assume that they are probably Korean. When I go to Pico-Union I assume that the Hispanics are Salvadorean. When I see black males on the blue line wearing too much purple Lakers gear or other purple I assume that they are Grape Street. This is all common sense. Not always accurate, but it is what it is. Two wrongs don't make a right. I personally hate that if I wear a color other than white or black then I'm probably going to be seen as a gang member to most people (including other black people). I can only imagine how much a Guatemalan for an example would hate to always automatically be assumed to be Mexican. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:50:26 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:47:19 2010. We (in the US and Canada) consider Central America to be part of North America. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:53:33 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 01:44:11 2010. It's not racist to assume that the day laborers in Farmingville are Mexican. That town has a huge Mexican presence.You're just looking to be offended. Just like it's not racist to assume I'm a white American, even when I go to Mexico, or Jackson Heights. In either case, it's no big deal. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:58:15 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 01:50:07 2010. Guatemalans are short and dark compared to Mexicans. And Mexicans make the same assumptions like we (or at least I) do.Out here if you dress like a gang member then that's what people will assume. I don't know about NYC, but out here if you are under 30 and wear too much blue, red, or purple that's what people will think. 9 times out of 10 that's right. No one dresses like a gang member unless they are one or they just want trouble for no reason. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:58:52 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 01:50:07 2010. Articles in the paper state that they come from countries all over South America, not just Mexico.Big deal. The case that launched the town into the headlines featured Mexican victims of a firebombing. Two wrongs don't make a right And they certainly don't indicate racism. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:01:00 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:58:15 2010. Was there a time in your life when you made sure your son wore neutral colors to indicate he's not a gang member?I remember overhearing a conversation between two NYCT conductors going over the color codes to make sure their kids were safe, by not wearing gang colors. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:02:33 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:53:33 2010. There's a "white" guy that lives near me that has blond hair and looks like one of the Allman Brothers. I've heard Mexicans - oops Hispanics - call him guero and he goes off! He hates being called white. I guess that he might be part Hispanic but I would never have guessed it. You have to look more Mexican than him. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:03:44 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:43:22 2010. You think it's racist that Mexican has become the generic for "Illegal alien day laborer of Hispanic descent".I don't see too many activists from countries other than Mexico involved in this debate. Long Island even got their own Mexican radio station in response to the population growth. Referring to Hispanics simply as "Mexicans" simply shows ignorance of the many countries that make up the Hispanic race, I don't see why you can't realize this. Are you going to Brentwood this weekend? Nah, Brentwood is pretty boring on weekend nights unless South American girls are your thing. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:07:25 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:03:44 2010. There is no "Hispanic race". Hispanic is regardless of race. You can be black, white, or Amerind, and be Hispanic.IMO calling someone that looks Mexican "Mexican" is no more racist than how many Europeans will call people that look and sound like white Americans "Americans". Canadians don't like it, but it's not racist. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:08:23 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:02:33 2010. Yeah. Lots of Germans(for example) who went to Mexico and became citizens. They look white. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:14:31 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 01:53:33 2010. It's not racist to assume that the day laborers in Farmingville are Mexican. That town has a huge Mexican presence.You're just looking to be offended. Regardless of the amount of Mexicans in Farmingville, he still had no knowledge of whether all of the people he photographed were actually Mexican like he ignorantly asserted. Hispanic people from other countries also live in Farmingville, and they really get offended if you call them Mexicans. Just like it's not racist to assume I'm a white American, even when I go to Mexico, or Jackson Heights. In either case, it's no big deal. It's different when it comes to Hispanics in America. A lot of Americans like to demean them by simply referring to them as Mexicans because they're not viewed by many people as being important enough to be recognized as any more than Mexicans due to the jobs a lot of them work. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:16:23 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:03:44 2010. Well GP38 did title it "Illegal 7-11". It was not until later in the thread.Have you ever seen the famous photo of the day laborers diving the middle finger to the camera? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:20:29 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 01:58:15 2010. Guatemalans are short and dark compared to Mexicans. And Mexicans make the same assumptions like we (or at least I) do.That's good that you know this, but most people don't or care to know this, and simply brush them off as Mexicans. Out here if you dress like a gang member then that's what people will assume. I don't know about NYC, but out here if you are under 30 and wear too much blue, red, or purple that's what people will think. 9 times out of 10 that's right. No one dresses like a gang member unless they are one or they just want trouble for no reason. I understand where you're coming from, but to me, that's nothing less of bullshit. The color of my clothing doesn't and shouldn't say anything about my personality other than the fact that I like to wear that particular color. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:21:37 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:14:31 2010. And I'm sure some Koreans are offended if someone referred to them as Chinese.And just so you know, 100% of Univision's prime time lineup is from Mexico. They are the dominant Hispanic demo, and more common in the day labor market. It's different when it comes to Hispanics in America Of course. That's what it's all about. Looking to be offended. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:23:01 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:01:00 2010. Not really. My son wears any and all colors. I worry more about Mexicans mistaking him for a gang member than Crips or Piru. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:24:48 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:23:01 2010. My sonWill he be old enough to vote in 2012? I worry more about Mexicans Yup. Blacks have been targeted for drive-by shootings in LA. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:25:44 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:07:25 2010. There is no "Hispanic race". Hispanic is regardless of race. You can be black, white, or Amerind, and be Hispanic.I know that Hispanic is not a race, but I couldn't come up with a better term to refer to them as at the moment. IMO calling someone that looks Mexican "Mexican" is no more racist than how many Europeans will call people that look and sound like white Americans "Americans". Canadians don't like it, but it's not racist. There's more stigma and racism involved in Americans calling Hispanics "Mexicans" than there is in Europeans calling Canadians "Americans". |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:26:44 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:20:29 2010. You could wear any color that you want out here as well. Just not too much. Like you could wear a red tee shirt, but if you have a red ballcap as well or a red belt, then people will wonder. Especially if you have an attitude to go along with it. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:28:47 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:24:48 2010. My son is already old enough to vote. He voted for Obama. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:29:07 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:21:37 2010. And I'm sure some Koreans are offended if someone referred to them as Chinese.And just so you know, 100% of Univision's prime time lineup is from Mexico. They are the dominant Hispanic demo, and more common in the day labor market. How many major Hispanic channels are there in American now? Univision, Telemundo, MTV Tres, mun2, and I'm pretty sure many more that I'm forgetting... Of course. That's what it's all about. Looking to be offended. You can't deny the racial stigma behind an American calling a Hispanic person "Mexican". You also can't blame them for not wanting to be recognized as an immigrant from another country when they might have a lot of pride for the country they came from. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:35:49 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:29:07 2010. Mexico is our neighbor.Mexican television dominates Spanish language television in the US Mexican food is mainstream in America Mexican festivals have a huge presence across America It makes sense for GP38Chris to say it without trying to stigmatize them. pride That's it. Too much pride for a country they abandoned, and not enough for the country they are in. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:36:25 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:28:47 2010. So will your daughters be old enough in 2012? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:37:03 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:28:47 2010. By the way, your son may be an example of someone who might have stayed home if Obama was not on the ticket. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:37:28 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:26:44 2010. I like to match my shirt, shoes, and occasionally hat though. Honestly, I can't really get mad at that, as the wearing certain colors thing is a stereotype us black people created amongst ourselves unfortunately. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:38:37 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:36:25 2010. No. 2016. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:39:22 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:29:07 2010. Univision dominates.mun2? LOL. See. You're profiling. They air a ton of programming in ENGLISH, and a good percentage of ads are in English. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:41:21 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:37:03 2010. He would have stayed home if I hadn't made him register! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:42:29 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:41:21 2010. He would have stayed home if I hadn't made him register!Increase the intensity! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:45:05 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:35:49 2010. Mexico is our neighbor.Mexican television dominates Spanish language television in the US Mexican food is mainstream in America Mexican festivals have a huge presence across America Most Americans know that there are Hispanic countries other than Mexico despite all of this, which makes it ignorant to simply call them "Mexicans". It makes sense for GP38Chris to say it without trying to stigmatize them. From the tone of his post, I doubt that there wasn't any racial motivation behind the statement. That's it. Too much pride for a country they abandoned, and not enough for the country they are in. It's kinda hard to have pride in a country that doesn't even care about where you came from as long as you get their shit jobs done, right? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:45:12 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:37:28 2010. Would you ever come to LA? You should check out the other coast. You might not want to go back! :) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:48:08 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:45:05 2010. Being called "Mexican" is not an insult. Seriously. At least not out here. People mistakenly called Mexican may get offended, but not because they think that they are being belittled. It's just that Mexico is the dominant population and culture. People just assume. Just like the USA and Canada. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:49:03 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:42:29 2010. Huh? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:49:52 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:45:12 2010. No, but sometime I really want to save up the money to go on a 4-city West Coast trip stopping at San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle. I know what your answer is gonna be for Los Angeles, but are the other cities worth visiting? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:50:53 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:45:05 2010. Or make anchor babies, and work jobs that allow them to send money home to support their families, build homes, and have satellite television. Yeah, American is mother fucking evil. Fuck that shit. Go back to whatever fucking third world shitpisshole you come from if America is that bad. That's the problem with America. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:53:47 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 02:48:08 2010. Maybe we just have different personal experiences with. Most of them I've talked to would be offended by being called a Mexican when they're not because they feel that it's belittling them and the importance of the country they came from, and that's what I'm basing my argument on. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:56:40 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:53:47 2010. Bullshit. If a Puerto Rican or Dominican made the mistake, and believe me, they sometimes can't tell the difference, you would not be acting like a fucking activist community college teacher, because in those cases, it would be a Latino making the error, so no offense inteneded.But because GP38Chris is white, you get all activist about it. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 03:02:18 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:49:52 2010. I've never been to Seattle so I'll pass on that. San Diego is cool. It's like a cleaner, more suburban, mini-LA. I like SF a lot. One downside is that it's really small. About the same size as the Bronx. They also have a sever problem with homeless. Worse than LA.LA is a big city. It's the only city in the US that feels more or less as big as NYC. It's not as urban as NYC but it's much larger in area. It has pretty much the same weather as San Diego, but the ghetto part of LA is much larger. In fact most of LA is ghetto IMO. Only the westside is not. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 03:04:16 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:56:40 2010. Why wouldn't I? I don't think that anyone should generalize them as "Mexicans" based on the way that I think they view that assumption just like I don't think when black or non-black people should say the n-word.Oh, and I may be a democrat, but I'm most definitely not no activist hippie let's just get that straight. I hate them and their drugs as much as you probably do. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 17 03:09:20 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:53:47 2010. I can see where you're coming from. People could say "Mexican" like it doesn't really matter what country they come from. Like it's all the same and who really cares.I don't think of it like that but maybe some do. I sometimes say "Mexican" just because most of the Hispanics out here (aside from certain areas) are Mexican. Maybe I should be more careful. I have neighbors that are from Peru. Another guy that is Puerto Rican. But when I'm out at the store I don't think of it consciously, but I tend to assume that most everyone that is Hispanic is Mexican. And I'm sure that over 90% of them are. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 17 04:41:06 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 17 02:53:47 2010. I've run into that situation. I work with a Nicaraguan woman who is VERY offended when I use the word "Mexican" as a synonym for Hispanic. She very much prefers me use the words "latino" or "latina." |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Jul 17 06:54:47 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:21:37 2010. hispanic t.v. is the most ridiculous collection of so-called "entertainment" there could be. ever so corny programs, banal, posturing "stars", amateurish spanish language copies of every successful and not so successful American t.v. show and commercial. and all the actors and actresses look like canadians! except they're wearing sombreros! another thing: what i would like to know is, donde estan los compesenos, los "jibaros", los morenos y negros y indias? where t.f. are all the "little short guys" and "pudgy mamacitas" that are crowding our street corners? does mejico not want to think of itself as being inhabited by a mainly "non-white" demographic?i've enjoyed occasionally watching Siempre en Domingo, yeah, but in general, spanish language t.v. is just a laugh for anybody used to American entertainment venues. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 17 08:22:11 2010, in response to Re:hispanic t.v., posted by ntrainride on Sat Jul 17 06:54:47 2010. I like spanish TV cause the females show lots of skin and always dress sexy no matter what show it is. I love the weather girls (Esp Jackie Guraddo) and that MILF from 12 corazones, Spanish TV ftw! The woman on American channels dress too consvertive (Sp?). Exception of MTV, VH1 and BET is very hard to find skin on American TV (I'm not counting PPV and the movie channels).amateurish spanish language copies of every successful and not so successful American t.v. show LOL! Theres an show on one of those spanish channels that is clearly based off the Jerry Spinger show, its the Jose Luis show, the guess fight one another and the females flash their breasts to the crowd randomly... just like Jerry spinger! Heres an video clip of Jose Louis show, I'll let you be the judge.... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Jul 17 11:01:15 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 17 02:21:37 2010. hispanic t.v. is the most ridiculous collection of so-called "entertainment" there could be. ever so corny programs, banal, posturing "stars", amateurish spanish language copies of every successful and not so successful American t.v. show and commercial. and all the actors and actresses look like canadians! except they're wearing sombreros! another thing: what i would like to know is, donde estan los compesenos, los "jibaros", los morenos y negros y indias? where t.f. are all the "little short guys" and "pudgy mamacitas" that are crowding our street corners? does mejico not want to think of itself as being inhabited by a mainly "non-white" demographic?i've enjoyed occasionally watching Siempre en Domingo, yeah, but in general, spanish language t.v. is just a laugh for anybody used to American entertainment venues. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 17 13:17:29 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 16 15:14:51 2010. Charles is one of the most rational people here.He may be rational but Charles G is wrong more often than not. Just because he's not an unhinged lunatic like the rest of the wrong-wingers here doesn't mean that he's right. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 17 13:17:45 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 16 16:57:08 2010. HAHAHA!! |
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