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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 14:20:09 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 13:51:31 2024. Yeah, it's a risk overinvesting in new technologies. Lots of early automobile companies didn't make it. Probably there was a milk company somewhere that overinvested in gasoline power milk delivery vans. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jan 13 14:37:20 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 11:29:54 2024. Get a Hellcat! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 15:18:11 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 13:49:50 2024. I did actually change the air filter in my Tesla. It smelled weird and then after I changed it was fine. Manual actually recommends changing every two years. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 15:56:32 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 14:20:09 2024. Divco |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 16:11:19 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 13:58:28 2024. Add timing belt |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 16:36:55 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 13:51:31 2024. Rental cars don’t last very long anyway, they already sell them after 1-2 years, so they would have gotten rid of these regardless. The difference is that they’re replacing them with ICE cars.And doesn’t this wholly contradict your claim that they’re expensive? If they were that expensive, they’d sell well used. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 16:37:48 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 14:20:09 2024. Milk delivery long outlasted the phaseout of horse power. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 16:38:27 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jan 13 14:37:20 2024. I will never buy an ICE car again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 17:27:55 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 16:38:27 2024. I admire your commitment to the faith |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 18:00:33 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 17:27:55 2024. There’s no faith to it. I actually have experience with both, and ICE cars are “defective” compared to EVs. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 18:50:31 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 18:00:33 2024. Opinion. EVs are not ready for prime time. They wont be for s long time.Keet the faith |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 18:57:00 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 16:36:55 2024. "If they were that expensive, they’d sell well used."The ex Hertz EVs will have to have their prices slashed just to get rid of them. A little profit is better than nothing. Knowing that they are there because Hertz determined that they are too expensive to maintain will have potential buyers look the other way. I mean what used car buyer would be interested in a car thats there because its too expensive to maintain? Unless they make an offer they cant refuse. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 19:02:11 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 18:57:00 2024. No, they won’t. Teslas are still in high demand and I’m sure they’ll have no problem offloading them. It’s still not clear why they considered them too expensive to maintain, given that there are so few things to actually maintain. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 19:03:15 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 18:50:31 2024. They are ready for prime time for people who charge at home. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 19:04:03 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 14:20:09 2024. "Lots of early automobile companies didn't make it."Thats called competition within a free market "Probably there was a milk company somewhere that overinvested in gasoline power milk delivery vans." Your attempt at sarcasm or snarky humor is weak at best. You can do better than that. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 19:08:00 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 19:02:11 2024. Point taken. My question is why those Hertz cars in question weren't covered somehow by a manufacturers warrantee?? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 19:11:31 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 19:08:00 2024. I think the more likely reason is that they weren’t in high demand as rentals. Honestly, if I went on vacation I wouldn’t rent an EV due to the charging inconvenience, which is IMO the main barrier to EVs. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jan 13 19:17:16 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 16:11:19 2024. That's much better than my motor which has only 3 parts and that they put on space ships direct from the factory. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 19:28:28 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 19:11:31 2024. Thats my big problem too. I often drive from Pittsburgh to Long Island (appx 500mi) on a tank and a half. I pull in, top off the tank & I;m on my way in 10-15 minutes while looking at the line of EVs waiting their turn for a charge. Then there's the time it takes to charge. If I had an EV, to cover the 500 miles I'd have to charge at least twice and deal with the lines for the charger and time for the actual charging.Point being. My trip is long enough (time wise) as it is. EVs are not yet ready for my long distance trips |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 19:32:40 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 19:03:15 2024. "They are ready for prime time for people who charge at home."AND WHO ONLY DRIVE TO WHERE CHARGING STATIONS ARE AVAILABLE |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 19:33:19 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 19:04:03 2024. No he can't |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 19:36:03 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 19:02:11 2024. My understanding is that Tesla's tend to have problems with all the parts of the car that don't propel it. Like loose door panels and mirrors, etc. Those can be expensive to repair when they get wobbly. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 19:37:59 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 19:36:03 2024. Your understanding? Are you now an automotive expert? You are just a fucking office drone. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 19:38:52 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 13 19:04:03 2024. Overinvesting too early in a new technology that eventually takes over is a classic issue. Maybe my milk van example is totally fictitious, but that sort of stuff really does happen. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 20:33:45 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 19:32:40 2024. I don’t have any need to charge outside of home. I’ve only ever charged outside of home three times. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 20:34:44 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 19:36:03 2024. Those are things that Tesla fixes on its own dime. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 20:36:32 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 19:38:52 2024. A current example is so-called “artificial intelligence.” People wouldn’t be concerned about it if it were more accurately named, such as “automated mimicry.” |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 20:39:59 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 20:34:44 2024. In that case, I'm not sure what Hertz might be talking about. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 20:45:51 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 20:36:32 2024. Agreed that the name is wrong. But whatever you call it, it does seem to have some potential for automating some job functions.I can imagine AI providing better customer support for a company like Verizon than is currently being provided by their barely English-speaking Indian or Filipino call center staff. If nothing else, AI might utter fewer outright falsehoods about the terms of the service being provided. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 21:09:09 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 20:33:45 2024. Why do I feel like that was a pretentious post? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 21:21:07 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 21:09:09 2024. Why? I already pointed out my experience is not the same as others in that people who can’t charge at home shouldn’t get EVs. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 22:41:22 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 21:21:07 2024. And in a city like New York how many people can’t charge from home? Personally I’d have no problem but many neighborhoods don’t have parking close to the house to charge. You and I are fortunate but many more around Brooklyn Queens the Bronx and Manhattan can’t. And SI has its areas too. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jan 13 22:53:53 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 22:41:22 2024. Only in America. lol |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 13 23:34:36 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 20:39:59 2024. That's rare for you. You always seem to explain what others are trying to say |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 01:32:11 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 16:38:27 2024. Better hope the grid doesn't get destroyed! (Yes, I know getting gas would be more difficult, BUT not impossible) |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 01:33:03 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 20:33:45 2024. But that's just you. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 14 02:40:14 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 22:41:22 2024. And in a city like New York how many people can’t charge from home?Lots. That's obviously a big impediment for those of us in that situation, until such time as all the local charging stations and all the cars are set up to get a full charge in 10 minutes or so. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 14 07:03:13 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 01:32:11 2024. If we’re really talking about an apocalyptic disaster, electricity would be easier to get than gas as electricity can be generated any number of ways, but gas is a specific thing. And you can’t run a modern car on pure gasoline anyway (“white gas”). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 14 07:06:18 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 01:33:03 2024. It’s me and many others, but not everyone. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 14 07:11:30 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 14 02:40:14 2024. No, that is NOT how it works.What you need is a lot more L2 charging. This means more L2 chargers in parking garages and on-street L2 chargers. L3 charging is for road trips. The last time I needed an outside charge I ended up parking somewhere with L2 charging and it saved me the need to have to stop for L3 charging later. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 14 07:32:16 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 01:32:11 2024. Gas is impossible to get during a storm or power outage now.I'd love to know how you're going find oil to refine during your scenario. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 14 07:36:17 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 14 02:40:14 2024. lots of people can't even charge their cell phones at home in new york eitehr.such a first world country. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 14 11:17:50 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 14 07:11:30 2024. I see L2 is 3 to 19.2 kW.19.2 kW is maybe 60 miles of charging in an hour, or (more or less) a minute of highway driving for every minute of charging. There will need to be a LOT of those chargers on the streets. It all depends on how you use your car. When I owned a car, for 5 years I drove 30 miles each way to work and parked on the street overnight. I would have needed easy availability of L2 chargers either on the streets near where I live or at the parking lot at work. Other than that, most of my driving was long trips. With gasoline, I could get 150 miles of range in about 5 minutes at a gas station. I would really want stations on the road to be 350 kW or so (which at 3 mi/kwhr is about 175 mi of range in 10 minutes). |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 13:16:43 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 14 07:06:18 2024. Lots of people have to put serious mileage on their vehicles. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 13:20:53 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 14 07:32:16 2024. I'm sure the Black Market would be up and running. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 14 13:53:46 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 14 13:20:53 2024. with how noisy gas is, I predict all of its users will be dead or murdered in 3 days. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 14 13:58:38 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 14 11:17:50 2024. "When I owned a car, for 5 years I drove 30 miles each way to work and parked on the street overnight. I would have needed easy availability of L2 chargers either on the streets near where I live or at the parking lot at work."This is solved on the West Coast and England and Europe. Pro-Tip, if you are on a public street, or parking lot, you'll likely want to stretch out your time. "Other than that, most of my driving was long trips. With gasoline, I could get 150 miles of range in about 5 minutes at a gas station. I would really want stations on the road to be 350 kW or so (which at 3 mi/kwhr is about 175 mi of range in 10 minutes)." I did a study on this, it takes longer than five minutes to fill a gas tank. The Chinese already have double the energy throughput than the 350kw you're throwing out there. And frankly, that's too quick, you cannot even take a leak in the amount of time your car is ready to move on. #2, have you ever woken up at a hotel, and your car is fully fueled up and ready to go? It's ****ing glorious. I've done trips where I charge (fill out) zero times. Or I've done a 600 miles for the cost of 23 bucks. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 14 15:15:16 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 20:45:51 2024. AI might utter fewer outright falsehoods about the terms of the service being provided.Unless they teach it to do that. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 14 16:10:49 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 20:45:51 2024. So lets get some AI to work for the IRS. Tx time is soon. Maybe AI can keep your on hold time to less than an hour when you absolutely positively need to have your problem solved. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 14 16:46:15 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 14 15:15:16 2024. Well, yeah, I was talking about falsehoods uttered in ignorance. |
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