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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:07:00 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Jan 29 19:53:06 2005. EPA, Social Security expansion and reform. Yes, should have also included that as well. Nixon had the means to go down in history as a terrific President but demons got to him. I had a few students who to this day think Nixon was out of this world as a leader. He just ruined it for himself, but down the road some of his accomplishments will be remembered and he will gain somewhat in stature. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 12:09:46 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:03:41 2005. Dewwwwwwwwd! :)Yeah, caught that, but then again ... who reported it? Why, that LIBERAL MEDIA ... think I'm going to be a sucker for a three card monty game from the MEDIA? Heh. Reality check - Iraq was once run by the SUNNI's (or at least those PRETENDING to be religious) ... Sunni's were given a pass in the old regime. It was the Shi'ites and the Kurds who were on the outs, and THIS election was a turnout of mostly the "minorities," as the Sunnis not only boycotted, but sent out all those car bombs to prevent it from happening. Now, from a historical standpoint, when a nation's "majority" boycotts an election, and the minorities "rack them up" ... what do YOU think the outcome might be, post election (also considering that the "interim government" was largely blowed up BEFORE the election? Since you were a teacher, I'll refer to Mister Rogers ... Can you say, "Messy civil war, boys and girls? I knew you could." :) Let's see how Condi works this sidewalk act ... sure, this is GREAT news for the CLUELESS, but any student of history is biting their nails about now ... no? Think ... what if CLINTON had engineered this morass? You can tell by my behavior once the election's over, all politicians are whores unless proven otherwise in MY book ... let's see where this goes. I smell disillusionment in Crawford. :( |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:12:07 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Jan 29 23:12:06 2005. Gropenfuhrer? Hey, my man, you're talking about my Governor. I worked hard for him and was invited to his inauguration. I had a hell of a time and look forward to voting for Arnold again in 2006. I only hope he runs again. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:16:04 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 30 01:35:51 2005. That's what Kerry and the Democrats thought again. Still think they believe that? |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:30:17 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Jan 29 20:36:49 2005. Those "liberals" you refer to were FDR and Harry Truman. They were a different breed from Teddy Boy, Waffleman Kerry, and Howard Offhisbeam. Your party has changed into a whining skeleton of its former self. In college I was a member of the Young Democrats and cast my first vote for Democratic Governor Pat Brown in 1962, but your party left me just as it did Ronald Reagan, Bill Bennett, Bill Kristol, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, David Horowitz, Michael Savage, and, well, you get the picture. I'm 64 years old and served my country in the Army and the National Guard in the 60's. And why is that so many of just hate to be termed liberals. Has that become an epithet? Now you're Progressives, yet you want to do nothing about Social Security, Medicare, national defense, tax reform. No, you just want to sit still and and do nothing. You're motto should now be "Forward to Yesterday." You see, the Republican Party has become the party of progress and change. We are the visionaries, you guys are the status quo. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:32:40 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Jan 30 03:53:02 2005. He still got us out; your boys didn't. Johnson really screwed this country up. War, riots, college disturbances, generation gaps, burning bras, etc, etc. You may not remember but many of us do. Then you have us Carter, a waffle. That's when so many of us jumped ship and went over to the Republicans. I've never regretted it. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:37:16 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 30 03:32:04 2005. My friend, why don't you just shut up and I will do the same. Hell, we can't seem to get through to those whose heads are deeply buried in the sand. It's amazing to me Dude that they have no conception of history and even less of the band of killers who want to destroy our way of life. On the other hand, if we don't speak up to them we will never penetrate that vaneer of ignorance. So, just ignore my first suggestion and keep having at it. Maybe QB will get the fog out of his head and get some religion on the subject, but I will not be betting on that. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:38:20 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 30 03:51:06 2005. Thanks Dude. That speaks volumes for where his fuzzy thinking comes from. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 12:40:15 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:07:00 2005. He's been looking pretty good the past 4+ years. (snicker) |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 12:42:00 2005, in response to Re to: the traditional left-wing response to the "politcal Subchat post of the centruy", posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Jan 30 20:48:08 2005. Just shows how desperate you are after the successful elections in Iraq to find anything you can to get some shot. -James No, I'm very happy the elections went well. That means more money for programs that benefit both me and you. Maybe people will now think about how to improve this country instead of get jittery about Iraq and Al-queda. Like everyone, I want this fiasco to be over and done with so we can move on. And, if Iraq ends, for better or wrose, that opens the doors for Democrats to pound Bush on domestic issues which will provide a boost. So in fact, you're argument is wrong. Like any mini-Rush, you completely ignored the point of the post because someone didn't vote for your guy. And since you haven't read all my posts on this topic, you're in no position to judge my views. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 12:43:20 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:12:07 2005. Austria just disowned him over that "death penalty" thing. And they're SERIOUS about it:http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/22/austria.schwarzenegger.ap/ Betcha "America" didn't know that Ahnold is STILL Austrian and has NEVER renounced his citizenship for OURS. But hey, he's a republican, he floats to the top. :) |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 12:52:19 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:30:17 2005. If it was up to you, Jim Crow would still be here. And you want to destory Social security. Look, not all Republicans are bad and many Democrats are winy assholes. But Dems still are the voice of the "people" not the voice of the "haves only".Look, It's hard for someone who's 17 to understand the politics and social upheaval of the 1960's. But there we're great strides made during the Kennedy-Johnson years and if it we'rent for their strides, we would still be stuck in the 50's. And unless you're a white male, the 50's we not a good time for you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 12:52:47 2005, in response to Re: Ford Windstar. Re: People aboard not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 08:02:03 2005. I was visiting a "sick" friend! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 12:56:04 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:30:17 2005. "Progress" ... wasn't that a LIBERAL word? I must be getting old, I remember when "progress" meant "improvement" but like all OTHER liberal old mayhem, that's been shoveled into the ashpit of history too. :)Don't mind me busting your chops, but there's a reason why I can't get over from time to time how you've bought into "sloganism over substance" ... I'm worried that the next thing I hear out of your learned fingers is "two-four-six-eigth, when does sponge Bob masturbate" or some other 1970's democrat turned inside out to the right wing silliness ... after all, today's right wingers are yesterday's "if I grow my hair long I'll get laid" types. (grin) And Geez ... can SOMEBODY explain Bob Jones? :( "Forward into yesterday?" why I'd DEFINITELY take that as opposed to the 50's ... the EIGHTEEN 50's. Didja know that the "party" wants wimmen barefoot and pregnant again?" ("Washington's dillema - Row v. wade, heh") ... what HAPPENED to "government getting off the backs of people and into their bedrooms" - whoops ... what HAPPENED to PROPERLY funding our military (instead of tax breaks for people who DON'T need them - armour, that kinda stuff and PAYING the guard and reserve instead of letting Halliburton run up their "deparation debt" like it was some damned student loan?) and PAYING AS WE GO? Election's over, I bow to the mentality that gave us what we got - Kerry was AHEAD until OSAMA ENDORSED PRESIDENT BUSH ... but gimme a break. Oh wait, you probably ain't been keeping up with the "Social Security Plan" ... didja KNOW that MEDICARE goes WAY up this summer? And Social Security payments are no longer tied to "cost of living" but now, "SALARY INCREASES?" Starts in June with your check THEN ... no more COLA! :) FYI: Salary increases have gone DOWN across the board (thank the airlines and manufacturing) by 13% this year ... reflected in your upcoming checks. *I* am retired too, though I don't collect from SS until 10 years from now ... but check your "co-payments" lately? In June, through the roof. So please forgive me my "what da fuh?" here, but YOU are about to be *SO* screwed ... as a result, check back with us come late summer and tell us what you think of what you've been spouting once the fan distributes the future, as usual, unevenly. :( Seriously bro ... there's no liberals up HERE, bears ate them in the 60's ... but y'all are being sold a bill'o'goods, and NO democraps between you and reality ... check it out. :( |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 13:10:15 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 12:52:19 2005. It seems that it's hard for someone of 17 to understand the issues of today, based on your responses. The democrats only speak for the people as long as they can get their hand into their pockets.Who wants to destroy Social Security? The democrats have always favored taking Social Security money and being able to move it to the general fund. This way they could use it for their favorite pork projects when tax revenues are lagging. That's why the democrats don't try to change Social Security. It's just another slush-fund for them. What is so wrong with allowing a person to partially opt out of Social Security and invest that money in a way that they believe will benifit them? If it's voluntary and those who opt out assume the risk, why not. How do you suppose that allowing this, it will ruin social security? That's not a rhetorical question. Think about it. It's time you started thinking for yourself and stop listening to the tired whiney rantings of those who don't think for themselves. I'll be waiting for your answer. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 13:21:36 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 13:10:15 2005. Two examples:KMART stock WorldCON Pets.com ENRON All VERY solid investments ... whoops ... I'd rather hit the Oneidas at Turning wallet. :) Raise yer hands, kids! HOW many of you saw your 401k's turn into 101k's ... do you favor stocks? Or BONDS? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 31 13:32:55 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 12:09:46 2005. Reality check - Iraq was once run by the SUNNI's (or at least those PRETENDING to be religious) ... Sunni's were given a pass in the old regime. It was the Shi'ites and the Kurds who were on the outs, and THIS election was a turnout of mostly the "minorities," as the Sunnis not only boycotted, but sent out all those car bombs to prevent it from happening.It does not suprise me that the mainstream media outlets seem unable to get the story straight. First of all, the Shi'ites are the largest group in Iraq, IINM totalling more than half the population. They're not a minority, even though they faced some oppression under Saddam's rule. Also, when everyone says that Sunnis largely boycotted the electon, they should say Sunni Arabs. The Kurds, who faced oppression under Saddam and today are more or less aligned with the Shi'ites, are themselves Sunni. Lastly, maybe the most important point, the Shi'ites and Sunnis are not as different as one might think. Most Shi'ites trace their ancestry to Sunnis who converted to the Shi'ite sect as agriculture replaced nomadic herding in the 1800's. Even today there's a lot of intermarriage between the groups. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 13:36:41 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Jan 30 17:50:19 2005. Should the Commonwealth be based in London, anyway? While it's the historic center (centre?) of the British Empire, someplace in India or Australia would geographically make more sense (see here) - someplace such as Mumbai. While the Commonwealth covers areas in many parts of the world, the bulk of the territory (and much of the population) seems to be oriented around the Indian Ocean, with several areas bordering on the Pacific Ocean. I suspect New Delhi or even Mumbai would make a more accessible capital of the Commonwealth than London. (Disclaimer: I am not sure Canada, Britain, Pakistan, and Bangladesh would want to go along with this, but I suppose most of the other countries would find little wrong with such a proposition. Pakistan and Bangladesh have historically been opposed to India, while Britain might be reluctant to give up its centrality and Canada would find Mumbai/ Delhi to be a longer trip than London.) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 13:54:59 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 31 13:32:55 2005. Greets, bro! I admit that I *did* oversimplfy this, Iraq is actually pretty much as simple a concept to grasp as Souvlaki fur auslanders. :)But I digress ... the SUNNI "minority" pretty much rules where any "rule" was possible under "Saddam" but in Iraw, they were the "chosen people" and the Shi'ites were the "Jews" for lack of a better parallel. But the point remains - the SUNNIs largely boycotted this "election" for whatever reason. As a result, the outcome is likely to be "unaccepted" and is very VERY likely to result in a civil war ... that was my primary point, I'm often in too much of a hurry in the limited time I have to spend here to go TOO deeply into the nuances ... I *wish* I had the time, I'm very MUCH interested in world politics and "America"'s place in it all. There's SO many things that WE and the WORLD could have done a bit smarter, and that's something I've always been interested in (when time permits, unlike now) ... |
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Posted by Deaks on Mon Jan 31 14:01:06 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:38:20 2005. Yes, Fred. Of course it does. Whatever you say! |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 14:03:27 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 07:44:48 2005. Thats why we'll have to ask him in a few years. We cannot tell him anything but he will observe conditions and react accordingly. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 14:10:08 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 13:10:15 2005. I guess 1929 taught you nothing. If it's voulnatry, okay, fine. But the only people who will make trillions is the investment banks. I guess that's good if your a NY resdient since this will line the finacial companies pockets with tons of cash. But what if we have a crash? Most people don't have any informantion on these companies because if we did, things like Enron would never have happened. Look, if a Dem brought this idea up, do you think I would go for it? It was a Democrat who brought back the idea of the draft. Do you think I would vote for this guy or his friends if he sent me to Iraq? HELL NO!!!!!!This isn't a right vs left thing, it about what's good for the country. I like Bushes stance on family values and I think he is a good man, but we just don't see eye to eye.The reason why I have distain for the right is NOT the actual politicians themselves. But the people they support make them look bad. Calling someone a "whiny liberal" shows indifference towards the great american strength of political diversity. If you had only the Republicans, what separates us from Russia, China, Arabia, and other third world nations? I'm glad you disagree becasue it gets boring having someone agree with you. But calling someone "liberal" is meant to be a bad attribute. Look, I've said this a million times and I will say it again, I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE DEMS DO. But they're more concered with people like me. Now that I answered you're question, here's mine: My family is on public assistance and working hard to get off it. Without the support of the Federal Government, we would be homeless. So, look straight at your screen and tell me what does the Republican party have to offer people like my family to help us get back on our feet? Really, what can the Republicans do for us that the Dems haven't already done? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 14:17:46 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 14:10:08 2005. As someone who once tried to get *ON* public assistance, but was refused when I had no OTHER choice - ended up living in a damned treehouse in the sticks and STARVED ...For those who live on the "dole" (and tell me if I lie) ... the REALITY is usually a TEMPORARY bout of really bad chit ... what our "republican" masters CANNOT come to deal with is the possibility of "public assistance" for the MAJORITY of those who need it for a "spell" is a damned LOAN ... OH, how the right wingers could LOVE the concept as it COULD be real ... but so stuck in their sterotypes, could never fathom it. :( *MY OWN* situation was I was flat broke, out of work, had gotten over being "strung out" but just didn't have the most basic of need to rejoint he living .. .namely, didn't have a SUIT for an interview - went to the "dole", wanted to "borrow a suit" long enough to go back, a little bit of cash for "car fare" ... that's all it would have taken ... a *LOAN*, a *SUIT* and a few weeks/months to PAY IT BACK. Feel for ya bro ... not many really understand beyond the sterotypes. :( Folks wonder why so many loved Clinton ... for the FIRST time ... a CHANCE. And a GOOD one. :) |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 31 15:44:05 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:16:04 2005. Of course they do, how else would you explain Bush? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 15:47:31 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by American Pig on Sat Jan 29 23:29:26 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blenheim |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 15:56:06 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 13:21:36 2005. Actually, my 401K did quite well last year. But that's beside the point as was your response. People will not have to opt out of Social Security if they choose not to, as I understand the plan. For those who feel that they can do better managing a portion of their Social Security investments, the option will be there along with the risks. Where is the problem in that? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 16:05:26 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 14:10:08 2005. To be perfectly blunt, if your family is on public assistance your biggest problem should not be debating politics and discussing transit issues on the internet. You should be making the most of your educational opportunities and use your spare time to get a part-time job & throw a little into the kitty for the family.The truth of the matter is that neither the democrats nor the republicans are going to solve your problem. They have different approaches. The democrats will view your family as a growth industry. They will continue to maintain you and your family on the dole and let all of the vultures feed off of you. Your landlord gets his. The grocer gets his. The Dr's get theirs and everyone is happy as long as the status quo is maintained. The Republicans say, "Look, right now you are down on your luck. We'll maintain you, we'll train you and then we're gonna push you out of the nest and make you fly on your own." You don't want to try? When your time is up your out. But in all honesty, which is a better solution for you? A system that accepts your defeat before you try and will maintain you for life without caring what happens to you or a system that makes you try and makes you succeed like the rest of us. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 16:53:20 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 16:05:26 2005. I do have a part-time job and my mom is still searching for a job that wants a single mom. I don't see you combating the discrimination my mom expreiences, that would be a big help in getting us off the dole. I would love to go to college and have a great career so that I can provide for my own family one day. Do you think we feel good about being on the dole? Do you think we don't look down when someone asks where we get our money? The fact is we would love to be on our own two feet. But the current economic system of this country is intent on making sure those with means stay up and those on the down stay down. Maybe if fat-cat record execs (who are part of the Have's bush talked about) we'rent telling little black kids that being a gangsta is the only way out, then we wouldn't have sky high crime, welfare and medicare probelms. Maybe if we actually told teachers to teach and principls to discipline instead of just studying test we'd have kids that know shit. But we don't do those things, Democrat or Republican. There is no pride in being on assistance and a great majority of us want is a chance to succeed which is what NO ONE gives us.Also, outsourcing starting jobs to China is not helping either. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 17:03:36 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 16:53:20 2005. "I don't see you combating the discrimination my mom expreiences,"That's not my mission in life. When I have had to deal with descrimination in my own life, I've done so. If your mom feels that she's being discriminated against, she falls under Title VII and has lots of legal remedies available. I'm encouraged by the next to the last sentence in your message as seem to understand that if you want to get off the dole, there is no difference between parties. As for the last line of your post, that's a cop-out. There are plenty of jobs available if you are willing to walk the walk. Since this is a transit based site I'll tell you that every entry level job at the TA can lead to a management position. You just need to knock on the door and pay your dues like the rest of us. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 18:21:35 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 17:03:36 2005. The TA has good educational benefits, as well |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 18:34:56 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 18:21:35 2005. Tuition reimbursement at virtually all colleges and they will pay everything up front for a certificate program in Transportation Management at John Jay College. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 19:17:48 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 17:03:36 2005. I heard jobs at the TA are hard to find. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 19:37:17 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 19:17:48 2005. Keep your ear to the ground and be ready to act when an opportunity arises. |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:04:34 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:16:04 2005. That's why all of the Middle American way-the-hell-below-average-IQ, never seen a black guy, everyone looks the same, states went to Bush. Those with intelligence and tolerance knew that something had to change. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:05:20 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 12:09:46 2005. Fact is Kevin, the Shiites are the majority (60% of the population), and when you factor in the Kurds in the North that comes out to 70% of the population. That means the vast majority of the country supported the election. We have to think that we have turned at least one dangerous corner. Keep your chin up; things should start to improve. |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:07:08 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 30 03:43:24 2005. Japan felt bossed around with all of the Islands being taken for their natural resources and therefore felt as if they needed to show who's boss. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 31 20:12:37 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 15:56:06 2005. "People will not have to opt out of Social Security if they choose not to, as I understand the plan. "That's not the way I've seen the plan explained. Do you have a reference? |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:12:48 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 12:43:20 2005. Austria unhappy over the death penalty???? What a laugh. The land of Hitler, Kaltenbrunner, and Seyss-Inquart condemning the death penalty. Wow!!!! I can hardly keep from laughing, but I won't because of the three named assasins listed above. If you are unaware of the last two, suffice to say they were hanged on October 16, 1946 at Nuremberg after being convicted of massive war crimes against humanity. So, please, don't give me any crap about Austria misery over Arnold's upholding an execution. And my governor is an American citizen; you can have dual citizenship if you want but it wouldn't surprise me if Arnold tells Austria to stuff it. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:15:20 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:04:34 2005. Keep thinking that. It might actually make you feel better if you can actually believe that claptrap. It is the liberal belief that people outside of the large metro areas are dumb and stupid that has led it to the bottom of the river. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:18:51 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 12:52:19 2005. Jim Crow, eh? Fortunately, I just found out you were 17 so I can chalk it up to youthful exuberance or just plain stupidity. Since you don't know me personally, I'll just leave it at that. You might, though, ask someone who does know me and ask him if I'm a Jim Crow man. Then it might be a good idea to duck. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:21:27 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 31 20:12:37 2005. The President has said it numerous times. Oh, that's right, you don't believe the President. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:26:27 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 14:10:08 2005. Well since your family is on public assistance it stands to reason the Democrats haven't solved your problem. The Republicans believe that tax relief and an ownership society is a goal that could include your family as well. First, if the economy improves as it has it could be a short time before your family sees better days----as I certainly hope it does. A good economy and a job will go a long way to helping your family out. A word to you. Do everything you can to get a college education even if you have to go part time, take menial jobs to earn some pay, and maybe have to go 10 years to get that sheepskin. Keep us informed. Here's one who is pulling for your family to g et back on its feet. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:33:02 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 31 14:17:46 2005. Wow Selkirk, I knew you had some financial problems but I didn't know they went that deep. Here's hoping the economy keep improving so you can get back on your feet and enjoy a good life. I hope your health is good, too. I was recently diagnosed with low-grade non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. No chemo yet, maybe in a few months, maybe not for years. It is low-grade so my Hemotologist says go on with my life as if nothing is wrong. Well, it was a shock for someone who has always valued hard physical training, stay in shape and enjoy good health a hell of a lot more than wealth. My wife and I have savings, tax shelters, and a house all payed for and worth about #750,000 in California's bloated market. But I would take a mortgage, lose most of my money and all of my tax shelter if I could g et rid of what I know I can't get rid of (it is chronic, treatable but chronic) and have another 20-25 years of good health. So there are other ways to look at it. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 20:35:10 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:12:48 2005. I don't like the retarded schwartzenegger but I thought the hypocracy in austria's declaration was a little thick. I also would like to see him tell austria to stuff his citizenship. This is good news because schwartzenegger hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming persident now whether he ditches his austrian citizenship or they take it away. and if he keeps has dual citizenship, NO rational American would vote for him. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 31 20:35:17 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:32:40 2005. "He still got us out; your boys didn't."Because only a Republican could get away with surrender as a method of exiting from Vietnam. No Democrat would have dared, for fear of how the Republicans would have used it in the next election. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:40:47 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 19:17:48 2005. You won't know unless you go out and find out. BIE and Train Dude have given you some good advice and some inspiration. Go to it and let me know how it works out. Now for a personal vignette. If my family hadn't moved to California in 1954 I would most definately gone to work for the New York TA. Probably, motoring a Sea Beach down 4th Avenue and on to Coney Island breezing through those mini-tunnels that still captivate me when I visit New York. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 20:43:39 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:04:34 2005. Clayton, you don't honestly believe that there is any place in this country where they've never seen a black man, do you? |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:45:22 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 31 20:35:17 2005. There was a deal that if the NVM attacked in the South in full force we would re-enter the war, but when that happened two years later the Demo controlled Congress put the brakes on that and so SVN fell. Is it any wonder that Vietnamese-American for the most part despise the Democrats to this day? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 20:45:45 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:07:08 2005. No! I'd actually look at a good college level world history text. You need to forget the garbage that they taught in High School. Japan was a brutal expansionist empire before and during WW II. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:46:35 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Deaks on Mon Jan 31 14:01:06 2005. Why don't you just sign in as Frenchy. It would be a good makeover for you. |
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