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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 20:51:18 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 19:17:48 2005. The cleaner job in Car Equipment and Station departments pays about $19/hour after 30 months or so. No formal test. Fill out the experience paper and get on the list. BTW they hire women too if your mom is looking. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Jan 31 20:53:40 2005, in response to Re: Re to: the traditional right-wing response to the ''politcal Subchat post of the centruy'', posted by brooklynQB on Mon Jan 31 12:42:00 2005. And since you haven't read all my posts on this topic, you're in no position to judge my views.I didn't judge your views. I judged the way you distorted what someone said to help your argument in that post. When you respond to a post, you respond to that post, not every post that person has made. And that kills your own argument by saying that, because if you read all my posts, you would know that I'm not too fond of Rush and I that I'm not a knee-jerk conservative who blindly follows the president and all republicans on everything. I've been very critical of Bush on a lot of his policies. And your point in the post I respond to was simply that you trying to show a conservative making it seem like Iraq was based on all lies when you missed his point. And you may believe that, but my point was you distorted someone else's words to help that argument, which I will admit is done by both Demms and Repubs on a regular basis, but I think I notice it more when Demms do it, because I happen to lean more to the right. LOL :-) No flame wars please, I hope this straightened things out. -James |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 20:56:44 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 20:51:18 2005. Great job!!! Not too many $19/hr jobs out there and the college benefits mean that you can get ahead. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 20:57:51 2005, in response to Re: Re to: the traditional right-wing response to the ''politcal Subchat post of the centruy'', posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Jan 31 20:53:40 2005. Liberal Management. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 21:01:02 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 20:56:44 2005. Also 12 paid holidays12 paid sick days 20 vacation days after 3 years overtime night differential medical/dental/optical 401k/457b 25/55 pension Yeah, it's not a bad job |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 21:11:09 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 20:43:39 2005. That was a more extreme example but I am sure you know what I am trying to say. Not having ANY diversity in a school is a practical and more of a real example. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 31 21:12:50 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 20:43:39 2005. Schools for the blind?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 31 21:43:44 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:04:34 2005. That's why all of the Middle American way-the-hell-below-average-IQ, never seen a black guy, everyone looks the same, states went to Bush.There were claims after the last election that residents in Kerry states had higher average I.Q. scores than their Bush-state counterparts, but they were utterly without basis in fact. State-by-state differences in I.Q. are minimal - and in any event, the only useful comparison figures date all the way back to 1960 - and there's no Kerry/Bush pattern. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 21:57:23 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 31 21:43:44 2005. The hoaxThe retraction There does seem to be much pro-Bushery in the "dumber" states, though. |
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Posted by Flxiblemetro on Mon Jan 31 22:01:31 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:04:34 2005. You never seen a black man (or woman) before....I would suggest you take a trip to the various cities of California, Southern US,and Northeast US. In those cities, you will occasionally or always see black people in the community. In large or medium cities, try to fine a street, avenue, drive, or boulevard name Martin Luther King Jr. Because any Martin Luther King Jr street, avenue, drive, or boulevard will pass through a Black or African American neighborhood where you will always see black folks around. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 22:06:06 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Flxiblemetro on Mon Jan 31 22:01:31 2005. Also look for Malcolm X, Mary McLeod Bethune, Linda Brown, Ruby Bridges, Frederick Douglass, Medgar Evers, Marcus Garvey, Rosa Parks, Sojourner Truth, Nat Turner, and Harriet Tubman on street and other signs, |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 22:14:33 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 21:57:23 2005. I just saw the revised I.Q. Chart. After class tomorrow I will average the Kerry state IQ and the Bush state IQ and see where they stack up. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 22:18:01 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 31 21:12:50 2005. One point for Fred! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 22:24:48 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 21:11:09 2005. Clayton, diversity is a great ideal. We both know that in the real world, in public schools it is an ideal - largely the exception to the rule. I've had significant experience in the NYC High Schools both in a teaching capacity and working with the NYCT apprentice program. The fact is young people largely seek peers in their own ethnic groups. Of course there are exceptions especially when based on a common interest such as trains but they are the exceptions. The extreme end-product are the gangs that fight it out daily in the halls. Those same gangs are moving out of the city into the suburbs now. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 22:36:43 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 21:57:23 2005. To be sure, the results of such a poll are questionable at best. However, if it gives you comfort to think that the states that went for Kerry had a higher aggregate IQ than that of the states that went for Bush, knock yourself out. I take greater comfort that a leader that I have every confidence in is in the White House while your candidate went home.As long as we're on the question of IQ, though, how is it that in 2000 the Republican voters in Florida could figure out the ballot while the "Much Smarter Democratic Voters" got all fucked up. Also perhaps you can explain why more ex-cons and felons vote for the democratic candidates? Just a thought! |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 31 22:38:04 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 21:57:23 2005. Comparing Bush-state and Kerry-state I.Q. scores is nearly pointless because the only reliable state-by-state I.Q. score comparison is the Project Talent study from way back in 1960. Many of the high school students whose scores were collected are grandparents today. More recent comparisons use various proxies for I.Q. scores, such as SAT scores or results on Armed Forces induction tests; the extent to which scores on these sort of tests accurately represent I.Q. scores is debateable.My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 31 23:01:39 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 22:36:43 2005. Guilt by association is a fallacy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 23:06:36 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 31 23:01:39 2005. I don't see the connection but after your last post, you are making less sense that usual tonight. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 31 23:13:45 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 23:06:36 2005. That is in response to your last sentence. Typical Republican technique to use fallacies to advance an argument. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 23:19:23 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 31 23:13:45 2005. What fallacies are you specificly referring to? |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 31 23:36:17 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 23:19:23 2005. "Also perhaps you can explain why more ex-cons and felons vote for the democratic candidates? Just a thought!" is a fallacious argument. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Mon Jan 31 23:52:19 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Clayton on Mon Jan 31 20:07:08 2005. Clayton: You, like many have been victimised by 'revisionist history' abeit we both were students decades ago. When fuedal Japonallowed Western Eeurpeans in to trade during the reign of Hideyoshi and the Toyotomi Shogunate in the fifteenth centrury, they thought that they were on the 'receiving end,' getting the best of the deal. The Spanish galleons sunk loaded with gold and precious gems. The Portuguese didn't fair much better. The Dutch were sucessful traders but eventually all would be dumped because of the Jesuits conspiracies on behalf of Rome. Only the Dutch were allowed to trade from a secure island, having no contact with the 'mainland.' In 1853, a US Navy admiral (just forgot his name...senior moment) approached the shores of Japon. His warships operated under the 'Jackson Doctrines' if I remember correctly. The Japanese were both overwhelmed and impressed. Things started to change...contact was made with Western Europe and representatives were exchanged. By 1867, the Shogunate was ended in the 'Reformations' and Japon was divided into 37 Prefectures. 'Adept, adapt and adopt' became the Japanese creed. Railroads, telegraph, centerfire rifles, breech loading cannon, steam driven warships, telephones and the Victrola came into play. Japon was discovering that their internal resources were limited and that they had to pay western nations for technology. The culmination of this was the defeat of Russian Czarist forces during the Russo-Japanese war. So much a power that the 'little yellow peoples of Japon' became an important ally in WW1...so much so that the League of Nations imposed restrictions upon the growth of the Japanese Navy because of FEAR. It did not end there. They got even with China and Korea, sucking out raw materiels. A modern Navy doesn't run on its 'stomach' but bunker oil...fuel. Dutch East Indies was the first target, then came IndoChina. The WW2 was an economic war at first because the US cut off raw materiel sales. None of their stinking little islands had any resources to be taken...they expanded themselves into the 'Greater Far Eastern Sphere of Economic co-Prosperity.' When WW2 was over, it wasn't long before the Japanese re-entered their former 'allied' nations to cut some rip-off deals. Few know of the Axis power plans during WW2 to take control of key resource sites. Both the Japanese and the Germans had 'Tiger Batallions' of Indians who believed that they would eventually liberate India from British rule...Germanys first attempt at a para-drop was quite sucessful with several hundred soldiers but the majority of the five thousand man force never ever left to start another front. Japon didn't fair well. Today, take a walk along Fifth Avenue. The Japanese tourists and business people are no longer the yellow skinned liver diseased 'little people' living off an inadequate fish diet...they are as tall and strong as us with their skin as white as ours. THEY know that they need outside resources, taking advantage of our Navy keeping THEIR shipping lanes safe. They also know about pollution...collecting weapons grade plutonium to be used in a fusion breeder reactor system instead of burning oil...making them a major nuclear power. You don't have to test a bomb like India or Pakistan when you can simulate it on a computer. Still can't remember the Admirals name. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 1 04:19:12 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:33:02 2005. Moo ... well, the situation I described happened back in the late 70's when I was living in Ulster county. Got myself into a bad place back there and about all there was for jobs was TV repair shops and commuting to the city for the occasional studio construction job. Got better once I got out of there.And as to health, knock on plastic - still kicking butt. :) Sympathies on the diagnosis ... I know I'll eventually get a dose of something myself. Alas, not much in the way of savings other than the house I'm in ... and that's a struggle to keep. But I definitely worry about what's ahead given that the money I paid into the government all these years is being rerouted now to people who already have more money than they know what to do with. :( |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Feb 1 05:54:37 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by tracksionmotor on Mon Jan 31 23:52:19 2005. Admiral Perry |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Feb 1 11:32:14 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 20:35:10 2005. Oh yes they would---and they will if that Constitutional Amendment ever sees the light of ratification. |
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Posted by Deaks on Tue Feb 1 11:47:02 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:46:35 2005. Why is that? |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 12:37:08 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 26 23:49:28 2005. Well to be fair to the French for a change, had it not been for them during the Revolution, the US would still be a part of the UK.And Nepolian gave us the Louisiana territory for $15million = doubled the size of the US. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 12:46:03 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Jan 30 08:32:13 2005. Of course Napoleon comes in and conquers most of Europe leading to the French's high point. I think it's been downhill for the most part after that. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Feb 1 12:50:29 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Feb 1 11:32:14 2005. That will NEVER happen.Sice it will orginate in California, the rest of the country will say "No way, Jose". 35 states have to ratify the amendment, assuming it even gets passed by Congress. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 13:01:12 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Jan 29 01:25:30 2005. Had it not been for 3/11 I wonder if Spain [the government that is] would still be supporting us? Sad how the ppl were influenced by terrorists.[Of course someone would spin this the other way.] |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 1 15:25:54 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Feb 1 12:50:29 2005. 38 |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Feb 1 15:35:43 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 31 23:36:17 2005. It may or may not be fallacious, but to use the legal phrase, it assumes facts not presented as evidence. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Tue Feb 1 15:52:38 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 22:36:43 2005. So the P.O. eyes me carefully this afternoon for 'inspection' and asks, "Are you here for a random?" So I look at him and say, "Random is a bad word in Transit." He laughs, pointing out his father was a T/O for twenty five years.The point is that felons won't spend the time and money to obtain and preserve Second Amendment Rights because they cannot! They will vote, if they can, for the MOST liberal Democratic candidates. Why? Because those candidates often support legislation that reduces criminal penalties and weakens your rights to defend yourself and obtain redress after becoming a crime victim. The P.O. sternly asks where my 'trigger lock' is and I hand him my holster, pointing out to remove my PDW from its holster. 'Please Mr. Burglar, won't you just wait a few minutes for me to remove this very secure and complicated lock?' Crooks are safe in NYC because all firearms have to have trigger locks and be locked up tight. No Tasers, no stun guns or nothing. Crooks love Schumer and Clinton. The next thing they'll ban is blinding bright flashlights because they hurt the eyes of burglars. Don't even think of sleeping with a baseball bat or steel shovel becuse they are 'tools of violence' that could hurt someone. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Feb 1 17:28:38 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 13:36:41 2005. I think everyone probably hates it being in Britain least when it comes down to it. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Feb 1 17:29:12 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 31 09:08:49 2005. Because they might just have been closet Cong sympathisers. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Feb 1 18:09:36 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Deaks on Tue Feb 1 11:47:02 2005. You certainly speak very good English for a Frenchman, Tim. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 18:14:19 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 12:32:40 2005. We can also thank Carter for letting the Shaw of Iran get toppled leading to the rise of the current Islamic facists. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Tue Feb 1 19:24:19 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 18:14:19 2005. So I take it you would have supported going into Iran 4 years after Vietnam? If Regan beat Carter by a mile then, I can't imagine how badly he woulda got beat if he had done that.Ya know I respect you, but in terms of your military moves, you need to stick to video games. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Tue Feb 1 19:29:53 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Jan 31 20:26:27 2005. Thank you, you don't seem to be like the other Conservative goonies that say "well, it's your problem".However, it's not communist (which is what a teacher called me when presenting my tax plan) to think that government should play some role in our lives. I mean, when you really think about it, if you did keep all your money, do you think we would live in a cheap enough world for it to matter? Probably not. And if you care for me to dive into details, I will be more than happy to. |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Feb 1 19:36:34 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Tue Feb 1 19:29:53 2005. If a teacher called me a communist, I'd go after their tenure. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Tue Feb 1 19:54:13 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by BIE on Tue Feb 1 19:36:34 2005. I told him I was offended. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 20:35:38 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 31 21:01:02 2005. Wow I admit sounds pretty good, I just hope they're still hiring. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Tue Feb 1 21:03:57 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Feb 1 17:28:38 2005. (Shrugs) the Commonwealth is so big that it really needs more than one home base. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Feb 1 21:13:00 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by brooklynQB on Tue Feb 1 19:54:13 2005. Hey was certainly out of line. If anything, he should have asked you if you believed in the socialist concept. That would have been more proper and could have led to a discussion instead of a blanket accusation. Besides, even though I despise Communism, it is not illegal to be one. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Feb 1 21:15:50 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Feb 1 18:09:36 2005. OK, what is Deaks anyway? I take it he is an immigrant but I guess he is not French. Clue me in. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 1 22:48:00 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Feb 1 21:15:50 2005. Who cares?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Alan Smithee on Tue Feb 1 23:33:39 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Feb 1 21:13:00 2005. Communism is ideal |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Tue Feb 1 23:51:04 2005, in response to Re: Re to: the traditional right-wing response to the ''politcal Subchat post of the centruy'', posted by BIE on Mon Jan 31 20:57:51 2005. hey, it works sometimes. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 09:09:54 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Feb 1 21:15:50 2005. Since his e-mail is at Yahoo.co.uk, one would presume he's a Brit. |
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