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Posted by AlM on Mon May 26 18:57:57 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 18:46:14 2014. More bad logic. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 19:28:11 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 26 18:10:01 2014. Perhaps. But then why Christmas? It seems there's a part of the story there that lends itself to being the gift-giving holiday. Chanukah is not the Jewish gift-giving holiday and has only become one to some people because of its place on the secular calendar. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 19:32:20 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 18:11:46 2014. I should have said "had" instead of "has." So it's a writing problem.But you're so hyper-literal that you were unable to understand what others had no problem getting. And I never denied you received "Chanukah presents." You are just pathetically unable to understand nuance and context, or it's just part of your asshole act. I'm thinking that you were correctly diagnosed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 19:33:48 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by AlM on Mon May 26 18:57:57 2014. Soon enough he'll be off the coast of Western Australia. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 26 19:34:21 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 19:28:11 2014. Perhaps they might want to consider moving Chanukah out of the gift-giving season?* Disclaimer: Subchat logic was used in the above statement, no gifts were harmed in this production. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:39:23 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 18:52:24 2014. Christmas presents don't have any "origin" in Christian religious practice either.Cultural practices change over time. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:39:28 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by AlM on Mon May 26 18:57:57 2014. Care to elaborate?It seems as though providing evidence which directly contradicts Spider-Pig's statement is how logic is supposed to work. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:39:32 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 19:33:48 2014. The fuck you talking about? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:39:35 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 19:32:20 2014. Pulling a Terrapin, are you?I should have said "had" instead of "has." So it's a writing problem. But you're so hyper-literal that you were unable to understand what others had no problem getting. Since you've completely failed to understand nuance and context, I'll go over it with the hand-holding I'd normally reserve for Terrapin. 1. I pointed out that Chanukah is commercialised and involves presents and festivities. 2. The turtle himself declared that to be wrong. 3. I pointed out that I received Chanukah presents, ergo Chanukah presents must exist. 4. You insisted that my Chanukah presents were, in fact, Christmas presents. 5. I pointed out that they were actually Chanukah presents, and remarked on the antisemitism contained in your insistence that the givers of the gifts don't count as Jewish. 6. You reiterated your previous assertion that they were, in fact, Christmas presents, and stated explicitly that Chanukah presents don't exist because gift-giving is not a Chanukah tradition, then declared that I would know this if I knew anything about Judaism. 7. I asked if you were Jewish, considering that you made sweeping pronouncements on what Judaism entails to someone more than passingly familiar with the very subject. 8. AlM pointed out that one can be knowledgeable on the subject of Judaism without practicing it. 9. I pointed out that it's moot, as you are clearly not familiar with Jewish customs and traditions (in America, at any rate). In the process, I snarked that you denied the existence of the Chanukah parties I attended. 10. You took that snark completely literally, because you were unable to understand what others had no problem getting. 11. I explained that the snark was, in fact, a snark based on the fact that you denied the Chanukah presents, the tradition of giving them, and the Judaism of the givers. 12. You tried to backpedal and claim you meant that gift-giving hasn't historically been a Chanukah tradition, even though that makes no sense in light of 1, 2, and 3 above— I pointed out that I received Chanukah presents, therefore Chanukah involves commercialism and presents today and what it may have involved in centuries past is irrelevant to that point. You also put scare quotes around "Chanukah presents," perhaps because you would like to cling to the assertion that they are somehow actually Christmas presents. 13. And then a great hammer came and hit him on the head. So yeah, looks like I've understood everything perfectly, but you're simply confused. Either that, or it's just part of your asshole act. Antisemite. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 20:40:54 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:39:35 2014. I'm not even going to bother reading your tripe. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:44:50 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 20:40:54 2014. Ah, the GP Chris approach— "If I don't read it, then it can't be right!" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 20:47:55 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:44:50 2014. No, it's of your usual bad logic chain. That's why it can't be right. And I did read it up until the point I realized that you make the wrong conclusions. You are so oblivious as to why your Passover post was offensive that you're desperately trying to apply concepts you don't understand to other people's posts. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:57:14 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 20:47:55 2014. No, it's of your usual bad logic chain.OK, then name the fallacy. What aspect of the chain was bad? And I did read it up until the point I realized that you make the wrong conclusions. Which conclusion was wrong? In what way? For what reason? You are so oblivious as to why your Passover post was offensive... Here we go again. You and your fellow yahoos have repeatedly claimed that said post was offensive, but despite many, many requests, not one of you has ever offered a single coherent reason why it was offensive. At first, you simply dodged the question. At some point, you realised that repeatedly dodging a simple question made you look like an asshole, so you switched over to claiming you had already offered a reason, yet, somehow, you can't actually link to the post where you provided it. Obviously, by this point, we both know that there was nothing offensive about that post, but fine, I'll go through the charade again. You claim that post was offensive. Why? For what reason? On what basis was it offensive. Please note: 1. Insulting me is not a valid reason. 2. Claiming that "everyone" knows why it's offensive is not a valid reason. 3. Claiming you already provided a reason is not a valid reason (although you're free to link to this mysterious phantom post which you claims proves your point). |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 26 21:06:59 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:57:14 2014. Here's an example of how you distort an argument:You and your fellow yahoos have repeatedly claimed that said post was offensive, but despite many, many requests, not one of you has ever offered a single coherent reason why it was offensive. Yet I've mentioned multiple times that it's offensive to say that you celebrate Passover by doing things that those who actually celebrate Passover would never do. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 26 21:11:10 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:57:14 2014. If someone finds something offensive they don't have to give a reason. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 26 21:11:37 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 26 21:11:10 2014. Why not? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 21:18:38 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by AlM on Mon May 26 21:06:59 2014. Yet I've mentioned multiple times that it's offensive to say that you celebrate Passover by doing things that those who actually celebrate Passover would never do.Yes, I've already dissected that argument here, among other places. Remember, I asked for a coherent reason for why it was offensive. I stated that (1) It was Passover and (2) I intended to mark the occasion by eating a cheeseburger. You've harped on the specific word "celebrate" but you've failed to explain exactly how that's relevant. Suppose I had said: "It is now Passover. I will acknowledge this fact by briefly imagining the concept of matzoh before eating a bacon cheeseburger on a regular bun." Would that be offensive? Or alternatively, maybe you'd like to take a stab at the other question none of you seem able to answer. Suppose I had said: "It is now Passover. I will celebrate by attending a Seder in which milk and meat will be combined in a kitchen full of leavened goods, and at which the Passover story will be mocked in limerick form courtesy of a homemade Haggadah." Would that be offensive? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 21:20:09 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 26 21:11:10 2014. You don't need to give a reason for "I was offended" (but it's nice).If you want to claim "it was offensive," then you need to give a reason or clarify that you only meant it was offensive to you. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 26 21:31:57 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 21:18:38 2014. Suppose I had said: "It is now Passover. I will acknowledge this fact by briefly imagining the concept of matzoh before eating a bacon cheeseburger on a regular bun." Would that be offensive?To me, much less so. There is still the issue of context. But I haven't addressed that. Non-Christian Americans don't celebrate Christmas by eating Chinese food. They simply eat Chinese food on Christmas Day, but tehy would never say they are celebrating Christmas. What's more, even people who celebrate Christmas may eat Chinese food on that day. I've done it. So your analogy to Christmas is faulty. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 21:37:47 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by AlM on Mon May 26 21:31:57 2014. Ah. So the entire basis of your claim that my post was "offensive" was a simple misunderstanding over the word "celebrate."To me, "celebrate" means "mark the occasion of, generally with enjoyable activities." What does it mean to you? They simply eat Chinese food on Christmas Day, but they would never say they are celebrating Christmas. I would. Plenty of people I know would too. And plenty of atheists celebrate Christmas with trees, presents, Christmas dinners, and essentially everything normally associated with quasi-traditional Christmas celebrations except the nonsense about some baby whose mother was described using a word for "young" that got mistranslated as "virgin." |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 21:46:56 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 21:18:38 2014. Yes, it would be offensive if you said it because of your track record. It probably wouldn't be so problematic if someone else said it. You've dug yourself a very deep hole over the past 42 days... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 26 22:08:30 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by AlM on Mon May 26 21:31:57 2014. I don't get the Chinese food reference to begin witg Many people do that even people that celebrate Christmas. For example we always did the big Christmas thing on Christmas Eve. Christmas day was always a quieter at m. Nothing wrong with going to à movie and eating chinese food afteras that's the only thing open. Many movies are even set to come out Christmas. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:10:27 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 26 22:08:30 2014. I'm happy to explain it to you, but if you're just going to run away screaming again it'd be a waste of time. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 26 22:10:41 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 21:46:56 2014. At least almost everyone sees the diagnosis of "asshole" was correct when he first appeared on this side. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:13:21 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 21:46:56 2014. My "track record" being what, exactly? Is this about how I failed to support Israel's right as a Superior Nation™ to wipe out the Arab Race® again? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:16:02 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 26 22:10:41 2014. You constantly insult me behind my back.But you're too cowardly to dare respond to anything I say directly. I think the term "asshole" describes you perfectly. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 26 22:17:21 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 26 22:10:41 2014. Not everyone. I find him most entertaining. Especially the overreactions instead of just playing along. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 26 22:20:05 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 26 22:10:41 2014. He's hardly an asshole. You don't know how to play along. Lots of people here simply don't get it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:24:08 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by bingbong on Mon May 26 22:20:05 2014. He got tired of having his beliefs disproven so he started spewing childish insults. When I didn't respond in the manner he was hoping for, he threw a snit and ran away.Now he refuses to let his posts appear directly underneath mine, but he takes every opportunity he can to talk about me without addressing me directly. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:30:28 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:13:21 2014. We've tried explaining it to you but you don't get it... |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:31:42 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:30:28 2014. Ah, again, you skip straight from dodging the question to insisting you've already answered it.I'll ask you for a link but we both know you can't provide it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 26 22:32:24 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:24:08 2014. Oh I've been following the whole thing. I can't turn away from a trainwreck. You know how it is. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:33:04 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:31:42 2014. I don't have time to go through over a month and a half's worth of posts. The whole thread is evidence against you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:35:29 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:33:04 2014. I'm noticing a distinct lack of anchor tags. Looks like my statement that you would be unable to provide a link proves prophetic.Just more dodging, coupled to insistences that you've already provided evidence in some mysterious phantom thread you can't find or link to. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:38:07 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by bingbong on Mon May 26 22:32:24 2014. If this is a trainwreck, then I guess I'm the FRA official going over it and pointing out every little thing that went wrong.Well good night. I think I've had enough SubChat for this evening. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 26 22:42:09 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:35:29 2014. Maybe they can avail themselves of the turtle, known to catalog every message ever posted here. :) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:44:03 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 26 22:42:09 2014. Even if I bookmarked every single offensive thing Nilet said in this thread, it would take me ages to go through the bookmarks to find the right post. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:44:27 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:35:29 2014. You should try being less of an asshole sometime, people might respect you a wee bit more. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 26 22:45:54 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:44:03 2014. I'll bet the turtle has a handy, online cardfile. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 26 22:53:29 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 22:38:07 2014. It never ends, yunno..... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 27 06:27:17 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by bingbong on Mon May 26 22:20:05 2014. And considering less than five people even give him time of day shows it more than anything. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 27 08:37:58 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by AlM on Mon May 26 13:30:09 2014. Exactly. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 27 08:39:32 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:39:32 2014. LOL!!!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 27 08:40:15 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 26 19:33:48 2014. ROFLCOPTERMAO |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 27 08:42:52 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 23 15:45:00 2014. The Rock of Ages.I don't normally waste bandwidth with +1s, but this totally deserves a +1. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 27 08:50:09 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 20:39:23 2014. Christmas presents don't have any "origin" in Christian religious practice either.Exactly. The three kings were enticed to travel to Bethlehem with gifts for the baby Jesus because Macy's had a special on gold, frankincense, and myrrh for the holidays. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue May 27 08:52:35 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by bingbong on Mon May 26 22:20:05 2014. Only conservatives can be assholes right? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue May 27 08:54:31 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 22:30:28 2014. Yeah, but you respect him more than you respect me. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 27 08:55:01 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue May 27 08:52:35 2014. Only conservatives can be assholes right?No, the converse of a true statement is not necessarily true. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 27 09:02:20 2014, in response to Re: Voter ID: Aha!, posted by Nilet on Mon May 26 13:16:48 2014. Spider-Pig knows more about Judaism than the actual Jews who hosted said party.Probably true. |
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