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Posted by bx36ltd on Mon Sep 9 03:04:10 2013, in response to Q70 Quick Pics, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Sep 9 00:36:13 2013. Nice |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 9 09:11:01 2013, in response to Q70 Quick Pics, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Sep 9 00:36:13 2013. very nice |
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Posted by BusMgr on Mon Sep 9 17:55:09 2013, in response to Q70 Quick Pics, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Sep 9 00:36:13 2013. Many passengers on board? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Sep 9 23:05:39 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by BusMgr on Mon Sep 9 17:55:09 2013. A few. But then again, it was late Sunday morning, and people were just starting to find out about it. Hopefully, nobody was confusing it with the Q32! |
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Posted by Petabread2 on Tue Sep 10 06:37:18 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Sep 9 23:05:39 2013. I rode it a few times yesterday, the first time the bus had about 10 people in it going to the airport. Leaving the airport there was probably 30 people and finally took it one more time to the airport and there was about 30 again. The majority of people got on and off at roosevelt ave, a couple of people stayed on till woodside. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Sep 10 13:14:36 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Petabread2 on Tue Sep 10 06:37:18 2013. Unlike a new route serving a never-before existing transit market, the Q70 is serving a mostly-mature transit market consisting of people diverted from the Q33. To that extent, the Q70 should be starting out as a substantially mature bus route, not having to rely upon people "finding out" about it. Some additional ridership will occur as a result of (1) being more convenient to people coming from Nassau County, and (2) being somewhat faster than the Q33. Both of these aspects will take some time to develop, as people will have to "find out" about the Q70 to change from their present driving (or other alternative travel means) to riding route Q70. Here, 30 people is a good healthy number for a route like this (and for a route where air travelers are anticipated, you really can't plan for higher passenger loads given the larger footprint occupied by people with luggage). |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Sep 10 14:23:08 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by BusMgr on Tue Sep 10 13:14:36 2013. If they later extend the Q70 route to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza via Roosevelt Avenue to 48th Street (with a stop there) than limited stop via B24 routing would produce more riders. It would not only help airport passengers but passengers traveling between Brooklyn and Central Queens. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Tue Sep 10 15:25:50 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by BusMgr on Tue Sep 10 13:14:36 2013. A media blitz should be launched with TV ads, radio spots , newspaper ads, billboards on MTA buses, subways and commuter rail and at air pots. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Sep 10 20:20:57 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Sep 10 14:23:08 2013. MTA bus does not go to Brooklyn and I don't see it happening.Plus there would be funding issues (DOT and city). |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Sep 10 22:03:27 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Sep 10 20:20:57 2013. What about the Q35 & B103? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Sep 11 05:02:15 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Sep 10 22:03:27 2013. All right wise guy, those routes were already there upon takeover, I was referring to a new route.................................................. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Sep 11 11:01:44 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Sep 10 20:20:57 2013. Maybe a more modest proposal would be to extend the Q70 to the Metropolitain Ave M train. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 11 14:46:43 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Sep 10 14:23:08 2013. I don't see the Williamsburg Bridge plaza being a substantial catchment basin for LaGuardia-bound passengers. Yes, there are some, but no more so than many of the other regional transit centers in that part of Brooklyn and Queens. In other words, Williamsburg Bridge plaza is simply "small potatoes." Woodside is different because it catches longer-distance travel from many parts of Long Island, consistent with the nature of an airport which gathers its passengers from a region similar in size and scope to that the LIRR system. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 11 14:52:29 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by NorthShore on Tue Sep 10 15:25:50 2013. I think the natural target of such advertising would be Nassau and Suffolk counties, with the responsible entity being LIRR. I don't see that much of a difference within the City of New York, as most people within the City already know if they're going to go by public transportation, taxi, or otherwise. Yes, the slightly-faster speed of the Q70 might cause a few such individuals to change their minds, but not that many. Remember, we've had "express" service from the subway to the airport before (recall the QT service from 21st Street-Queensbridge), and it really did not do much to increase overall public transportation use by City residents to the airport. The real improvement is that there is now a viable means for people from Nassau and Suffolk counties to use public transportation to LaGuardia, and that's what should be advertised. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Sep 11 17:06:16 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 11 14:46:43 2013. Not necessarily just LaGuardia Airport needs to be considerd but there may be many Brooklyn passengers needing faster access to Central Queens and Central Queens passengers needing faster access to Brooklyn. Another words an extended Q70 route would reduce long journeys on trains through Manhattan by having better bus transit links through Brooklyn and Central Queens. With all of the economic development in Williamsburg this would be a vital link. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 11 17:28:28 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Sep 11 17:06:16 2013. Case in point: I was in Williamsburg a few days ago, and was there until shortly after midnight. I knew there was a bus that went from there to Sunnyside (the B24). I simply caught the bus, and it brought me where I needed to go in less than 20 minutes.If I were to travel between the two endpoints of the journey by subway, it would have added an hour to my trip, a good portion of which would consist of waiting. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 11 19:24:24 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Sep 11 17:06:16 2013. I think you're very much on point regarding regional transit links connecting the various boroughs. Some places, like Seattle, have made great strides in improving regional links. I think such can be done to better link the Bronx with Queens, and Queens with Brooklyn. For example, I think the Q44 would fulfill its regional nature better by terminating at Fordham Plaza instead of West Farms Square, and much more could be done to link the Jamaica, Howard Beach, and East New York areas. Perhaps express-type bus routes could quickly connect just a small number of major transit hubs or subway stations. Part of the reason for all of this, I think, is the history where the BMT, Surface Transit, and various private companies in Queens each had a relatively confined service area, and regional links simply never developed to any significant extent (other than the subway lines).But all that said, I do not see LaGuardia airport as a regional transit hub. It is not the focus of the transit system, nor should it be. LaGuardia Airport is merely a regional transportation facility that should be linked to the regional transportation network. For that reason I don't think the Q70 should be expanded beyond its present purpose. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 12 01:34:37 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by BusMgr on Tue Sep 10 13:14:36 2013. The one thing I would consider is extending the Q70 eastward to Flushing-Main Street (without another intermediate stop), where it could catch riders there connecting from NICE and other MTA services. 4020-8 should also wear a special livery advertising them as airport express buses. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 12 01:47:50 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Sep 10 20:20:57 2013. The only reason I can't see that happening is because it would undercut the city's partnership with Veolia Transportation (which owns the NYC Airporter service). However, such a route model could work for the M60; while it would require an expansion in service hours of the Q19, which would be the local service.What could be done is to make the M60 have only two stops in Queens before LaGuardia Airport - at 31 Street and at 82 Street...and then have the M60 run express to and from LaGuardia via the Grand Central Parkway. An additional Q19 stop would be added at the near side of 33 Street and Astoria Boulevard to better facilitate transferring. The Q19 would be rerouted to easily connect with the M60 for local passengers along Astoria Boulevard, causing one current westbound stop (80 Street) and three current eastbound stops (80, 82, and 84 Streets) to be relocated. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Sep 12 02:30:07 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 12 01:47:50 2013. Not Happeneing. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Thu Sep 12 08:47:39 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 11 14:52:29 2013. Remember MSBA's (LIBus) "JFK Flyer" from Hempstead Terminal to JFK?It was another dud. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Sep 12 13:29:28 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by NorthShore on Thu Sep 12 08:47:39 2013. The route that it took was lame, If it would have run along Hempstead Turnpike I would have taken the JFK flyer. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Sep 12 14:53:03 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 12 01:34:37 2013. That's the Q48, no? |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Sep 12 14:53:06 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 12 01:47:50 2013. There is no (and should not be) a "partnership" between the City and Veolia Transportation. The relationship is that of a franchise, that is, the City's granting of a right to Veolia to use the City's streets. The City has no vested financial interest in Veolia's services. The mere possession of a right does not constitute a "partnership" with the grantor of the right. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Sep 12 15:44:33 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by BusMgr on Thu Sep 12 14:53:03 2013. Q48 sucks. |
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Posted by hound on Thu Sep 12 19:04:28 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by NorthShore on Thu Sep 12 08:47:39 2013. The original intent of the JFK Flyer was to get people who commute from Long Island to ride the LIRR to Rockville Centre & connect to the Flyer from there. This was a subsidized venture by the Port Authority that was meant to improve traffic & parking, esp. for airport workers. Unfortunately, it never lived up to expectations. After all,how many Long Islanders are going to give up their beloved cars to ride a glorified Thomas school bus, making local stops the whole way? |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Sep 14 18:50:51 2013, in response to Re: Q70 Quick Pics, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Sep 12 15:44:33 2013. Perhaps at times, but would not a duplicate of it have that same characteristic? |
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