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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 11:41:18 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 10:41:51 2011. +1 |
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Re: Kapparos (Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 11:46:23 2011, in response to Kapparos (Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 10:25:21 2011. I have never seen it but knowing the way anti-Semites and self-haters characterize unfamiliar Jewish practices, I simply assumed that "swinging" meant "calmly and slowly circling around the head." |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 11:49:05 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 09:41:48 2011. Then why were you responding to a post about Jerusalem? |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 12:23:47 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 11:49:05 2011. I was not responding to a post about Jerusalem. It was suggested that men sit on one side and women on the other. The response was that men would still be able to see women boarding and that in Jerusalem the women board through the back.So I was merely asking if the everyone boarded on the B110 through the front. How is that responding to a post about Jerusalem? If everyone boards through the front on the B110 and men sit in the front, they still see the women boarding going to the back so there would be no difference if men sat on one side and the women on the other instead of in the back. So the question why the bus could not be spilt lengthwise has still not been answered. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 26 12:57:15 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 10:06:41 2011. Joel, I think GO is a nationwide company that has taken a ton of airport services around the country and put them under one brand name while still allowing them to operate independently. Delaware Express has GO vans as well |
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Re: The story reached the UK Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 26 12:57:59 2011, in response to Re: The story reached the UK Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by TonyG on Sun Oct 23 01:26:31 2011. Community would be up in arms over the operating hours |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 13:06:02 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 12:23:47 2011. You were responding to a post about Jerusalem. The post clearly said "On buses in Israel..." |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 26 13:13:16 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 20 03:45:14 2011. They should just run it like I run Catch-a-Ride...an open charter |
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Re: Kapparos (Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 13:32:54 2011, in response to Re: Kapparos (Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 11:46:23 2011. I have never seen it but knowing the way anti-Semites and self-haters characterize unfamiliar Jewish practices, I simply assumed that "swinging" meant "calmly and slowly circling around the head."I assumed it meant swapping your spouse for a chicken. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 14:01:58 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 26 12:57:15 2011. The buses say MCIZ on them IIRC. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 14:36:15 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 12:23:47 2011. It was suggested that men sit on one side and women on the other. The response was that men would still be able to see women boarding and that in Jerusalem the women board through the back.One side vs. the other presents a problem for standees. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 14:41:49 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 09:36:35 2011. Kav mehadrin=Literally a kosher bus line as they are known in Israel where gender segregation is practiced unofficially.I've made my viewpoint very clear. You have also made it very clear that you won't accept anything less than total agreement with your viewpoint. I've already said that in the US this would be harmful and illegal. It would also be illegal in Israel (assuming the Supreme Court ruling on the matter is actually followed, in practice aspects of the ruling are being violated in various ways, but a youthful woman could always give up her seat, I assume that is the solution that the people on such a bus line would prefer). |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 14:42:01 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 26 12:57:15 2011. Joel, I think GO is a nationwide company that has taken a ton of airport services around the country and put them under one brand name while still allowing them to operate independently. Delaware Express has GO vans as wellThe GO Group is an affiliated network of independent operators. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 14:45:53 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 13:06:02 2011. As an example for why a left/right split is problematic in the eyes of most B110 riders. That said, BrookylnBus does seem to have trouble keeping straight the B110 and the Israeli buses. Unfortunately for him, the latter are really the only real life examples that can be used to relate to the situation at hand on the B110. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 15:35:47 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 14:45:53 2011. It was suggested to me in college by an older woman to run all-female buses at night as an alternative to the subway. Maybe I can make a deal to carry all the women and Private to carry the men. Revlon could sponsor the buses.:) |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:39:10 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 14:41:49 2011. So if you are saying that you believe that in the US gender segregation would be "harmful and illegal" which the B110 clearly is, then you are fully agreeing with me, or am I putting words in your mouth? |
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JAZUMAH IS A SEXIST |
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Posted by LAG Driver on Wed Oct 26 15:40:34 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 15:35:47 2011. LOL :) |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:42:51 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:39:10 2011. The fact that you disagree regarding if it was right or not for the reporter to make an issue of it really doesn't matter does it? So I guess what you are saying is that although you agree it is harmful and illegal you have no problem with it continuing the way it is. Correct? |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:47:04 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 10:41:51 2011. So now you are saying the practice doesn't exist anymore. I thought it was stated earlier that only small numbers of Orthodox Jews still do it. So which one is it? |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:53:23 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 14:36:15 2011. Okay, fair enough. Now the reason is changing to at least something that is more logical if the number of men and women are not equal. I guess the "back" of the bus can keep getting adjusted if people keep changing their seats. Still doesn't answer the question of forcing an elderly female who might have difficulty walking, walk extra to the back of the bus and being harmed in that manner. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 16:00:41 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 13:06:02 2011. No, the original post was from Newkirk Images . WMATAGMOAGH merely mentioned "On buses in Israel" as part of his answer but began the post talking about buses in both countries. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 16:19:25 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:42:51 2011. We're finally making progress here. I don't know how else I can explain my viewpoint to you, other than repeating myself ad nauseum, but it seems to be working.1. Gender segregation if forced upon someone unwillingly is illegal (under US law) and harmful to the individual(s) it is imposed upon. 2. Gender segregation that is self-imposed upon a group of people (in this case the riders of the B110) who voluntarily all agree to the scheme is permissible and doesn't harm everyone. In the same way you don't want a gender segregated seating arrangement imposed upon you, you have no business imposing the opposite on people who don't want it (especially since AFAIK you have no plans to ride this bus). 3. The reporter in question had no business making an issue out of this, because the scenario that is being played out here is scenario 2, not scenario 1. Should scenario 1 actually occur, then making an issue out of it is appropriate. Get it? |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 16:52:50 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 16:19:25 2011. I see what you are saying. I agree with (1), however I disagree with 2 and 3.Regarding 2: It would be permissible if it were a private charter or subscription service, but you do have the right to impose it on people who don't want it as long as they are obtaining the franchise from the City and it is a public bus where everyone is allowed to ride, believers and non-believers. I am not saying that the City should force them to sit together, but they do have the right to revoke that franchise if they continue to force non-believers to sit separately. I know you agreed with me that if someone does not want to sit segregated, he or she should not be forced to. I also disagree that no one is being harmed under the current setup since people may be required to stand when seats may be available in the other section and a female who has difficulty walking may be forced to walk further than she would like to because of that rule. Of course, you could argue that people would be harmed if everyone were forced to sit together but no one is proposing that, just that they make allowances when someone does not want to sit separately. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 17:20:10 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 16:52:50 2011. You have yet to prove that scenario 2 exists. When you do, I'll change my tune. It isn't very complicated.A female who has difficulty walking in this case has to walk a grand total of 20 feet or so. Not a terribly significant distance. If you get on the back of the bus to begin with, it isn't all that far. Somehow, the elderly people of countries other than America seem to manage to get around despite bus stops being further apart and with far fewer accommodations such as curb cuts and the like being widespread throughout their cities. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 17:23:00 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 17:20:10 2011. Sorry, let me clarify my first statement there.You need to demonstrate that the self-imposed segregation is being forced upon others (in which case we aren't in scenario 2 anymore, but rather scenario 1). |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Oct 26 18:10:10 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 15:35:47 2011. Revlon could sponsor the busesYup and they could be color coded and wrapped as various lipsticks! |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 18:14:43 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Oct 26 18:10:10 2011. I actually like that idea! |
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B110 Operator: Women Can Sit Wherever They Want |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 18:23:21 2011, in response to Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 19 09:21:28 2011. Click here |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 18:24:49 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 17:23:00 2011. It was forced upon the two reporters in question. Therefore it would be forced upon non-reporters as well. So it already has been demonstrated. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 18:30:54 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 17:20:10 2011. First of all it has not been stated that female passengers board the B110 from the back. You said they did that in Israel, not on the B110. Second of all, if you've ever had sciatica which I have had it three times, (or if you've walked on crutches) you would know that every single step is a pain or inconvenience.Yes, even in America, we've gotten along without curb cuts and fewer accommodations for years, but what does that prove? We've also gotten along without the electric light bulb for centuries, does that mean we should return to using kerosene lamps and candles? |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 18:34:25 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 18:30:54 2011. Women board the B110 in the back after paying up front. There is plenty of documentation of this, including in an article I just posted a few minutes ago.The distance from the front of the bus to the back is fairly insignificant for the overwhelming majority of people. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 18:35:08 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 18:24:49 2011. The fact that it "would be" forced upon non-reporters (a reasonable assumption) does not demonstrate that the scenario I presented actually occurs. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 19:44:23 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 18:35:08 2011. Not as long as only the Orthodox use the bus. But nevertheless, the possibility does exist. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 19:56:03 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 26 18:34:25 2011. So they get in through the back, walk to the front to pay and then walk to the back to sit down? That would be twice the distance. Or else they get in through the front, walk down the stairs again and reboard through the back. That would be walking up and down the stairs twice if they are not permitted to walk through the bus, and you don't call that "harmed". But you would just respond they are not harmed because no one is complaining. You know what my answer to that one would be.I'm sure the distance would be an insignificant number when compared to the entire population but not insignificant if you are the one who is affected. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Oct 26 19:56:20 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 18:14:43 2011. Now just sell it to Revlon! Articulated busses can be made to look like mascara pencils by coloring the artc ribs.The possibilities boggle the mind! |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 21:34:48 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:53:23 2011. Still doesn't answer the question of forcing an elderly female who might have difficulty walking, walk extra to the back of the bus and being harmed in that manner.Maybe it hasn't come up. Maybe the Post should hire an elderly woman to try it. |
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Re: The story reached the UK Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 21:36:17 2011, in response to Re: The story reached the UK Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 26 12:57:59 2011. Community would be up in arms over the operating hoursDoubt it, but the buses would be empty. |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 21:39:26 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:47:04 2011. So now you are saying the practice doesn't exist anymore. I thought it was stated earlier that only small numbers of Orthodox Jews still do it. So which one is it?The practice of swinging the chicken over one's head until it is dead does not exist and has never existed. |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 21:46:34 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 21:39:26 2011. So they swing it slowly and then have it killed humanely? |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 26 21:53:38 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by JAzumah on Wed Oct 26 15:35:47 2011. only if you believe in the power of friendship.8^) |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 26 22:07:22 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 19 23:59:20 2011. I very rarely agree with Brian but I have to here. Your post does border on anti-Semitism. You have no idea what you're talking about. Judaism does NOT treat its women as second class citizens!! Women are just excused from some religious duties and have other religious duties such as lighting Shabbos candles. Women are completely equal in Judaism.The bus is not discriminating. If it was they wouldn't be allowed on the bus. And as far as I'm concerned the woman making the complaint is just a c--t blogger who thinks she's another Rosa Parks and likes stirring the pot and starting trouble. And as far as the chicken comment, you're either an anti-Semite or an idiot. |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 26 22:57:08 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 21:46:34 2011. They don't "swing" it at all. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 27 03:04:30 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 19:44:23 2011. Thank you for continuing to not address what I actually write in my posts. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 27 03:07:03 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 19:56:03 2011. Did you read the link I posted? It answers your question. Also, provided the method used by Israeli women is permitted on the B110, the distance covered is potentially less than if they boarded at the front. |
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Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 27 07:04:06 2011, in response to Re: ARTICLE: B110 Riders Must Demand Changes for Themselves, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 27 03:04:30 2011. Thank you for continuing to not address what I actually write in my posts. It's not just you. He does that to many people. |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 27 07:13:57 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 21:46:34 2011. You're unbelievable. When will you get a clue? |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 27 07:14:37 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 10:41:51 2011. +2 |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 27 07:16:07 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 25 11:56:45 2011. Yes you are a hypocrite. Forcing anyone, based on gender, to sit in any specific area would be discrimination! |
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Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 27 07:17:56 2011, in response to Re: Women ride in back on sex-segregated Brooklyn bus line, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 26 22:07:22 2011. Thank you Jeff Rosen. But I think you should agree with me more often because I am usually not incorrect, especially about statements of fact. |
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Re: Occupy the B110! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 27 07:20:28 2011, in response to Re: Occupy the B110!, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 26 15:53:23 2011. Okay, fair enough. When will you admit that your ideas all simply suck? |
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