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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 16:56:09 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 16:53:45 2011. Well I've already been in your mother and she agreed in my consensus that you're a whiny fat bitch. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:01:31 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 16:56:09 2011. Grow up.EOL. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 17:06:03 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:01:31 2011. Lol, I gonna stop roasting your sorry ass. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:08:59 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 17:06:03 2011. Keep showing your ignorance. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 17:09:54 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:08:59 2011. Lol, what a dumb bitch. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:19:08 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 17:09:54 2011. A perfect description of yourself. Why don't you go ride a bus to the beach, and try teaching the fish to talk. Should easy for you, there in fantasy land. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 17:21:48 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:19:08 2011. Lol, you're jokes are so corny they're funny, gimme more of your fantastic jokes. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:23:15 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 17:21:48 2011. I wasn't joking. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jun 10 17:24:15 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 17:23:15 2011. Which makes it even funnier. |
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Posted by dkupf on Fri Jun 10 19:37:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 14:14:12 2011. But if it goes to the SI Mall, enough people will ride it in order to, at least, save this route from the chopping block. |
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Posted by dkupf on Fri Jun 10 19:39:51 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Fri Jun 10 19:37:29 2011. Because a true service planner knows that the elimination of service is to be used as a last resort. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 21:46:31 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Fri Jun 10 19:37:29 2011. It's an unnecessary duplication of service; there are other routes within 1/2 mile of every one of the 54's stops north of Brielle that go to the mall via areas where PEOPLE live, not squirrels. None of the areas you're proposing to serve lacks service, either. What you lose, though, is the connection from Great Kills to Seaview and Wagner HS. If not for the school, the 54 would have no purpose. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jun 10 21:56:32 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 21:46:31 2011. But it still has all of the riders from the north. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 22:08:17 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jun 10 21:56:32 2011. Very few of those riders go past Seaview; the buses, even at peak hours on non-school days, have a one-hand-count ridership through the Greenbelt. |
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Posted by dkupf on Sat Jun 11 01:04:23 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Jun 10 22:08:17 2011. That would most likely change, for the better, if it operates via SI's #2 trip generator. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Sat Jun 11 01:23:15 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by dkupf on Sat Jun 11 01:04:23 2011. Unlikely, as there are already two alternates that provide a one-seat ride that cross the route, and one of those parallels it significantly. The 54 exists only for students. Take a look at it in summer. The people who must take a bus to get to the mall don't live along the route, except the Todt Hill Houses, which are 1/3 of a mile from Victory Blvd with the much more frequent 61.If not for the Wagner HS, the 54 would have ceased to exist a decade ago, just like the 55 and 56. I'm surprised that any of these routes even operate outside the peak school travel times. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Jun 11 09:09:31 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Sat Jun 11 01:23:15 2011. I'm not. Seniors in Tottenville sometimes have one or two classes, and get out early. However, don't you thing the S55 and S56 start service too early? The first S55 leaves the mall at 6:15. Boy, I wonder how empty that bus must be. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jun 11 11:57:28 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sat Jun 11 09:09:31 2011. At my school, some classes start at 7:15AM, so you might get some kids who are worried that, if they took the 6:45AM bus, they would be late for school. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sat Jun 11 14:28:16 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sat Jun 11 09:09:31 2011. Very empty. Maybe a handful of people take it to the train. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 12 01:00:39 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sat Jun 11 09:09:31 2011. Does Tottenville have "shifts" where some students start as early as 7AM? That might be the reason the S55 runs that early. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 12 17:04:40 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:52:54 2011. wow...not good,brah.we can work out our difference without the threats of violence.you are cool people..so dont let this ruin you. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 12 17:22:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 12 17:04:40 2011. Thanks man I won't, if we really did meet I wasn't really planning on beating him up anyways. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 12 21:02:28 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 12 01:00:39 2011. Probably. I know my school (Port Richmond HS) has College Now classes that start at 7:15AM. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 12 21:27:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 12 21:02:28 2011. 'Period 0'...I don't miss those days. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Oct 8 21:02:34 2011, in response to Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 2 16:24:33 2011. Be on the look out for part two after the immense popularity of this one save a few unimportant nitpickings. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Oct 8 22:52:53 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Oct 8 21:02:34 2011. Lmao |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Oct 8 23:29:57 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by JAzumah on Sat Jun 4 18:34:56 2011. The houses are called the Todt Hill Houses, but they are actually geographically in Castleton Corners, which is more middle class (the median income going a few blocks in all directions is slightly higher than the median SI income)Todt Hill proper is very wealthy, but that's further east (by the SI Academy like you said). East of Slosson can be considered the beginning of Todt Hill, and the wealth becomes more apparent as you go up the hill. I mean, you don't see huge fancy houses in the surrounding area. Maybe the projects caused the surrounding area to become less wealthy (though again, it's not a poor area by any means). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Oct 8 23:51:42 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by JAzumah on Sat Jun 4 18:34:56 2011. It is certainly possible that the project complex is located geographically within Todt Hill, but that building reflects neither the property nor population stock of the area. Todt Hill is most similar to Riverdale & Fieldston in the Bronx.So what? Fieldston and Riverdale both have 24/7 two-seat rides (at most) into Manhattan. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Oct 9 10:38:50 2011, in response to Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 2 16:24:33 2011. Your fantasy reroute of the S78 has come true for the most part. We need a Hylan Blvd "S99" or "X33" version of the S89 for the increasing numbers of east shore S.I. commuters to Jersey City & Hoboken. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Oct 9 13:04:49 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Dan on Sun Oct 9 10:38:50 2011. Hopefully, the toll hikes will present the perfect opportunity to implement such a service. I can see it becoming popular anyway because it's not that much more expensive than the S89->HBLR ($90 per month of a MetroCard, plus $64 for an HBLR pass = $154, vs. a little over $200 for an express bus MetroCard), but the problem is that before the toll hikes, there might not have been enough ridership to support both the S89 and X33. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Oct 9 15:45:32 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Oct 9 13:04:49 2011. More and more Staten Islanders work in Jersey City or Hoboken as banks and brokerage firms relocate jobs out of Manhattan to those NJ cities. An express route as always made more sense to me because of the length of the commute. Years ago a private company ran the "144" along Hylan to Jersey City, since then many more Staten Islanders have taken jobs in Jersey City. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Oct 9 15:53:56 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Dan on Sun Oct 9 15:45:32 2011. I know, and the S89 can tap even more into that market by switching places with the S59 and extending to Tottenville.But the problem is that I still don't think there is enough demand to support both an express bus and local bus in the same SI-JC market. I mean, the S89 gets decent ridership (more or less a seated load going over the Bayonne Bridge), but an express bus would eat into that ridership. But now that the tolls have been raised, people are going to look for more alternatives, and there might be enough ridership to split between the 2. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 9 16:00:06 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Oct 9 15:53:56 2011. I know, and the S89 can tap even more into that market by switching places with the S59 and extending to Tottenville.Yup, just like I proposed in the OP. But the problem is that I still don't think there is enough demand to support both an express bus and local bus in the same SI-JC market. I mean, the S89 gets decent ridership (more or less a seated load going over the Bayonne Bridge), but an express bus would eat into that ridership. But now that the tolls have been raised, people are going to look for more alternatives, and there might be enough ridership to split between the 2. You think the transfer might be to blame? Express bus routes are designed to carry nothing more than a seated load anyway. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Oct 9 19:27:19 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 9 16:00:06 2011. I thought that the S89 should have been an express service (X33), and the same for any future Hylan service (X34). People would pay the premium fare for the 1-seat ride. Unlikely, I know. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 10 05:50:52 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 3 12:21:22 2011. The way all those image files slowed down my measly portable device aint nothing to write home about either. Paying attention to bandwidth limitation concerns: Priceless... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 10 06:18:36 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 10 05:50:52 2011. False. The failure is with YOU. Get used to it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Oct 10 09:37:56 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 10 06:18:36 2011. Agreed. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Oct 10 09:38:33 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 10 05:50:52 2011. Then why would you click on a thread that clearly says 56k? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Oct 10 12:50:32 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 9 16:00:06 2011. Well, I definitely think that there are people who would use transit to get to Jersey City if it were a one-seat ride. Ridership would definitely be higher on an X33 than the S89 going over the Bayonne Bridge.Maybe it's because I use the S89 daily, but I'd prefer that it stay. The disadvantage of the X33 is that it doesn't help people traveling within Staten Island. Admittedly, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if the S89 were eliminated, as for the most part, the S44/S59 have enough capacity for those riders. But like I said, at this point, there's definitely going to be enough demand for at least a few X33 trips. |
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Posted by vfrt on Mon Oct 10 17:43:51 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Oct 10 12:50:32 2011. More Wall Street type jobs are moving to Jersey City, etc. I was speaking to an IT consultant at Goldman. She told me that a lot of the firms are beginning to wonder if the city (NYPD) is able to provide long-term security for the industry. Large companies get threats from nutjobs all the time, but something is going on.Something (that nobody will tell me) must have happened since last week for this unusual assessment. Heard similar thing from person at BOA. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Oct 10 20:20:44 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by vfrt on Mon Oct 10 17:43:51 2011. Jersey City is PAYING them to leave lower Manhattan and has been for YEARS. They will not be able to escape #OccupyWallStreet. The fear is that European banking is about to melt down and it is expected to have impacts in the US with regards to investment bank solvency. I have heard that the timeline is about 3 weeks, but Dexia had to be taken out over the weekend. |
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Posted by vfrt on Tue Oct 11 11:26:35 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by JAzumah on Mon Oct 10 20:20:44 2011. I know. Wall Street is famous for rumors. Some execs are looking at post-Bloomberg NYC and don't like what they see. A few mentioned that they thought that Christine Quinn's endorsement of the dregs was a bad move. She has a good chance of being the next mayor as do a few other extreme leftists who also support the dregs.Beyond that it gets murky involving stuff that no one wants to tell me about. Rumors & BS I think. Many firms advising those who can tele-commute to do so. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 11 19:33:04 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 10 05:50:52 2011. So...you two guys are, ummmm, against me currently not being able to afford a better handheld. Well, there are ways to code a post in a way that doesn't IMMEDIATELY PUSH it all in. But that probably isn't necessary, considering this here sandbox we in.But a/w, at least I know now that two guys on this here board are against me having a less than sufficient end user device, if one of them wanted to put a huge image-laden message on subchat. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 11 22:34:26 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 11 19:33:04 2011. Why are you talking to yourself? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Oct 12 09:41:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 11 19:33:04 2011. No, I just don't get why you'd look a thread that has a 56k warning in its title on a mobile device. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jul 15 16:00:58 2012, in response to Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 2 16:24:33 2011. I just had one more proposal I'd like to add:Here is how I'd restructure the routes in the Westerleigh area: https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=214504384267441423605.0004c40c845cea7c9a00a&msa=0&ll=40.605612,-74.156685&spn=0.13554,0.338173 S54 extended to St. George via Richmond Terrace, rerouted to New Dorp Lane on southern end (S79A covers Giffords Lane). S57 rerouted up Jewett Avenue S66 eliminated (replaced by S57 & S67) S67 reinstated, and serves Grymes Hill, goes up Watchogue Road, and continues up Deppe Place and the SIE service road, ending with the S48/98 in Arlington. (You could also call it the S66 if you wanted to) |
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