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Posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 03:08:27 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 31 06:39:28 2008. No I spoke to Lee while he was gettin his shoes shined like any regular guy that makes $400,000 and he said he did not give him permission and he was gettin' his shoes shined with the MTAB contract :) |
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Posted by The Rail king on Thu Jan 1 03:45:22 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 03:08:27 2009. Hey that was a good one! BTW Happy New Years to you Hat! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 05:23:36 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 31 14:23:40 2008. Hmmmmm..out of the mouth of an idiot savant..just once ..I would love to slap the bitch right out of you... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 05:29:47 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by vfrt on Wed Dec 31 14:50:20 2008. Hmmm...and just as sadly,fits my image of You.... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 05:31:35 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Dec 31 22:34:46 2008. including yourself? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 05:34:00 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Ken S. on Wed Dec 31 20:23:19 2008. Son...its getting lame now...Please turn it off. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jan 1 08:26:32 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 05:31:35 2009. I don't lie. I tell the truth. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 09:27:42 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 00:15:07 2009. I read the whole thread, right from the start. Short of there being any explanation from the people involved, there is nothing there for us but conjecture. You don't know the facts and neither do I. But it's my opinion that there's no reason for the person to be in that cab. The only persons to be allowed access to a cab are those in performance of their duties. This person is an unauthorized person in the cab. He is trespassing. And because the MTA patch on his shirt is on the wrong shoulder, it is not an official TA shirt. This person is impersonating a TA employee. Maybe just for the sake of the photo, but still impersonating a TA employee. No ifs, ands or buts. Do you know that the person in the photo is a TA employee? I don't.Do you wanna keep going with this? |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 11:38:01 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by The Rail king on Thu Jan 1 03:45:22 2009. Happy new year, dude! |
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Posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 11:43:42 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Dec 31 22:34:46 2008. Well, maybe your detector is malfunctioning. Unlike those two, I don't have a fetish for train parts. |
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Posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 11:44:21 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Dec 31 22:37:16 2008. Prove myself? |
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Posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 11:46:13 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Ken S. on Wed Dec 31 20:23:19 2008. And someone has a message for YOU.
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Thu Jan 1 11:48:09 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 11:46:13 2009. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 12:23:38 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 05:23:36 2009. Haha, you're so chicken! Such a little man!!!! Don't die of an internet heart attack! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 12:43:19 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 09:27:42 2009. I read the whole thread, right from the start. Short of there being any explanation from the people involved, there is nothing there for us but conjecture. You don't know the facts and neither do I.Exactly. So quit thinking you know what's going on in this photo. You don't. If you really want to know, you'll submit the photo to NYCT and to the NYPD and ask them to investigate. If they agree to, and it results in charges, then you'll know what happened. This person is impersonating a TA employee. Maybe just for the sake of the photo, but still impersonating a TA employee Nothing wrong with that. Do you know that the person in the photo is a TA employee? Ha, you don't?????? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 12:59:16 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 12:43:19 2009. MJF said:This person is impersonating a TA employee. Maybe just for the sake of the photo, but still impersonating a TA employee You (Terrapin Station) responded: Nothing wrong with that. You find nothing objectionable about a person impersonating an MTA employee in a restricted access area? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:03:03 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 12:59:16 2009. No, I find nothing objectionable about a person dressing up as an MTA employee for a personal, private photo. It does not meet the legal definition of "impersonating". You know, the kind of "impersonating" that can get you charged with a crime. That's the only kind of impersonating that matters. |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 13:04:28 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:03:03 2009. Tell it to the judge.... |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 13:19:40 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 31 10:27:45 2008. Brian, you're backin' the wrong horse on this one. Just a heads-up. If I catch him screwin' around buses, I'll wreck him for it. He's dead wrong. I could understand buffin' out, but tresspassing is a no-no. Look I became a B/O with out doin' stuff like this. I went through the training necessary, even though I was a buff and thought I knew it all. I went through the motions and learned that just because I was a busfan I didn't know it all and needed to learn the job before I could do it effectively. Brian I know you know what I mean and this guy is wrong and problem. Don't get me wrong I've posed in the drivers seat when I was in H.S., but kept the picture private. However his past behavior cast doubt on the circumstances of this photo. And rightfully so, wheather or not it was before or after the incident. I mean If I was invoved w/ a preventable accident, it brings up all of my prior accidents and are reviewed in a hearing as it is related. Being in what can be precived as an unauthorized act bear questioning of the act even if it is benine. He brought this upon himself by commiting a related crime and if he is smart will stay out of trouble, but will be questioned every time and that's just the way it is. Just don't back the wrong horse you'll lose every time, and you'll get tired if commin' up on the loosin' end. Trust me. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:30:56 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 13:04:28 2009. No, I won't, because he wasn't impersonating, so therefore he won't be charged with anything. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 13:35:44 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:03:03 2009. No, I find nothing objectionable about a person dressing up as an MTA employee for a personal, private photo. It does not meet the legal definition of "impersonating". You know, the kind of "impersonating" that can get you charged with a crime. That's the only kind of impersonating that matters.I didn't ask you for your preferred interpretation of the penal code. I asked whether you find the conduct objectionable. Imagine that you are an MTA employee. You observe, right before you the actual scene depicted in the picture. What would you do, upon being informed by the subject that he is "a person dressing up as an MTA employee for a personal, private photo. It does not meet the legal definition of 'impersonating'. You know, the kind of 'impersonating' that can get you charged with a crime. That's the only kind of impersonating that matters." ??? |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:43:06 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:03:03 2009. It is impossible to determine whether he is impersonating an MTA employee from the context of the photo alone. It's rather hard to purport to be a T/O sans brake handle in a non-operating position, although one could also surmise that he sneaked into the cab using his MTA dress as a cover, which would definitely constitute impersonation.No, I find nothing objectionable about a person dressing up as an MTA employee for a personal, private photo. Agreed. The real issue here is that he's in a restricted area, MTA costume notwithstanding. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 13:45:21 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 13:35:44 2009. "Imagine that you are an MTA employee."I don't know but with posts like this, calling a Vice President an idiot, I'd say "Imagine" is likely correct. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 1 13:50:04 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:43:06 2009. The real issue here is that he's in a restricted area, MTA costume notwithstanding.Something thats seems "lost" in this whole thread... *Shakes Head at the redundant posts sometimes* |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 13:54:09 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 13:45:21 2009. I don't believe that it would affect his potential likelihood of being hired as a civil service title job candidate (although I'm not completely sure of this), but for a non-competitive position at MTA, that's not exactly something he would want to note in any hypothetical application papers. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:57:10 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 1 13:50:04 2009. People can get so hung up on semantics here and fail to see the forest from the trees...On that note, did you know that according to the OED, "impersonate" has the obsolete definition of "invest[ing] with an actual personality; to embody." So no impersonation here! :-) |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jan 1 13:59:02 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 1 13:50:04 2009. You can't get through to a brick wall. It's best to go around it or just blow it up. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 14:00:05 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jan 1 13:59:02 2009. It's best to go around it or just blow it up.Mental killfile or B7, respectively? ;-) |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jan 1 14:02:42 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 13:19:40 2009. When I was a dispatcher at Mother Hale we had a young man who had a complete bus uniform including badge. Well come to find out he was pulling buses out of the depot and other depots and driving runs for operators who were paying him to do it.This was pre 9/11 when we did not have to have our ID's displayed at all times or available when asked for it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:03:21 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 13:54:09 2009. 1 in 3 rule? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jan 1 14:05:20 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 14:00:05 2009. I took the killfile route and never looked back. I've given up waiting for the B7. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:06:22 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:43:06 2009. The MTA patch on the shirt and being in an unoccupied cab should be enough. I tend to think that he (and we) might find out if this is true. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 14:08:38 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:03:21 2009. That's exactly why I qualified my statement, but I'm not sure whether it could be applied in the case described because of some complex First Amendment work-related speech issues. But if one interprets the comments as "failing to get along with others", then it becomes a more unobjectionable basis for the authority to exercise its discretion not to select the candidate from the civil service list. Anyway, my qualification is meant to note that it is at least arguable as respects a civil service title in a way that it's not on the non-competitive side. |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:30:56 2009. The wearing of a TA uniform by non-TA personnel in this city is considered impersonation whether you believe it or not, it is what it is. And the fact that he was IN in unauthorized area of TA property IN a TA uniform, justifies as Impersonation.Always gotta go against the damn grain, I'm beginning to think that be-be bullet that hit you at that PR Day parade wasn't an accident... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 1 14:16:38 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:57:10 2009. People can get so hung up on semantics here and fail to see the forest from the trees...Tell me about it... |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 14:17:59 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 13:19:40 2009. Brian, you're backin' the wrong horse on this one.If you actually read his posts, you'll see that TS never said that he approved of trespassing or unauthorized operation of equipment. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 14:18:35 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:06:22 2009. The MTA patch on the shirt and being in an unoccupied cab should be enough.Tough to tell going on the photo alone because impersonation is an intentional crime in New York. It's certainly arguable that it's misdemeanor impersonation, but the photo itself doesn't seem to be enough to secure an indictment (let alone conviction). Of course, there are no doubt other details which may lead to other evidence which would support such findings. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:20:17 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009. hahahah |
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Posted by Danny at 103rd street on Thu Jan 1 14:20:42 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009. HSSAlright lets play some good Music to calm everyone |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jan 1 14:23:59 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:24:15 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 14:18:35 2009. Of course there's the tresspassing |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 14:26:01 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009. The wearing of the (unofficial) uniform PLUS conduct to have any other person believe that he is entitled to wear that uniform so as to alter their behavior would likely suffice. But I don't recall that wearing the uniform alone would do for the charge to be brought.Nonetheless, let's not lose sight of the other problem: being where he oughtn't to be in clothes that he oughtn't to be wearing. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 1 14:26:31 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009. Always gotta go against the damn grainWhat's wrong with thinking for yourself? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 14:28:26 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:24:15 2009. Indeed. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Thu Jan 1 14:29:04 2009, in response to Re: wow, posted by Danny at 103rd street on Thu Jan 1 14:20:42 2009. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jan 1 14:31:51 2009, in response to Got 1 as well Re: wow, posted by QM18Express on Thu Jan 1 14:29:04 2009. Here's some Dizzy to make you feel good! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:50:21 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:57:10 2009. The OED definition not withstanding, the fact that some of the alleged "railfans" here defend this sort of potentially criminal behavior is why the employees who do try to embrace the true railfans, should be wary. The ripple effect when one of these miscreants is arrested or even appears on a board like this, opens up a whole host of questions such as, "Where did you get those keys, or that shirt and vest?" And when arrests are made, the questions are asked. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jan 1 14:55:00 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 14:50:21 2009. And you know these kids aren't toughend criminals. When the shit hits the fan they fall apart like a cheap camera.I know I had to go to special investigations in a case like this, and I did nothing, I was just there and my name got dropped. But I told the truth and nothing happenned to me. |
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Posted by vfrt on Thu Jan 1 15:22:42 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 1 13:50:04 2009. ==The real issue here is that he's in a restricted area, MTA costume notwithstanding.==Absolutely. FoamerBoy was in the cab ILLEGALLY, thus he was trespassing. It doesn't matter what he wearing at the time. It doesn't matter if the brake handle was there either. As for the MTA patch, can those be bought legally at the TM gift shop or other places? That might make a difference in the 'impersonation' issue. BTW, why do these geniuses insist on photographing each other breaking the law? They have to know that some of the photos will end up on the internet, unless that's what they really want to happen. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 16:43:07 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:03:03 2009. No, I find nothing objectionable about a person dressing up as an MTA employee for a personal, private photo. It does not meet the legal definition of "impersonating". You know, the kind of "impersonating" that can get you charged with a crime. That's the only kind of impersonating that mattersDressing up as a TA employee, in a cab without authorization? That's the type of thing that can get you arrested and hauled off the property. |
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