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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:35:31 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 10:21:51 2010. How nice. With ALP-45DPs, they get to keep their jobs; with expansion of electrification, not so much . . . |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Oct 3 12:36:23 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 10:46:42 2010. That is true. The only part that got me was that it was a known issue but you are right because if it was a known issue they should have been triple checking it, and they didn't. Delta & SkyWest should be lucky that no one was killed or injured.Airtran was ValueJet BTW. Southwest just announced they are buying AirTran. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:41:05 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 07:34:12 2010. Yeah, real clever closing Bay Head's fuel pad. How much more money is that going to cost in the long run, and not save?Of course, the whole ball of wax is solved with a short stretch of electrification to Bay Head. Why is it that NJT could find all sorts of money to overspend on HBLR but no money for a mere 18 miles of electrification from Long Branch to Bay Head . . . ?? Eighteen miles. (Then again, finding money for electrifying the 20 or so miles between Great Notch and Denville, big problem too, but not finding the money for these $12-million-per-unit ALP-45DPs. What an infernal joke.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:51:26 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 07:24:34 2010. He turned Amtrak upside-down too. One of his seeming hallmarks was multiple logos on trains . . . even though that did happen before him at Amtrak; but he added a third, the "lava lamp" scheme, due to his crazy idea to turn all NEC trains into some sort of "Acela", whether "Acela Regional" or "Acela Commuter" (remember that last one? the Clockers' new name for ten seconds) . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:52:02 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 10:44:33 2010. NJT's discretion has been suspect for years. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:52:56 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 3 07:44:36 2010. Why would it be "almost all Pennsylvanians"? The train will serve Pennsyljersey, or have you not heard of that hybrid state . . . ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 3 13:29:21 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Oct 2 20:46:12 2010. These thing can be used right now. Instead of all trains from Manhattan ending in Dover, some can originate in Hackettstown and use the same slot as an existing train. Ditto for the NJCL. Of course, without any new tunnel they cannot actually add more trains, which means current diesel only lines are screwed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 3 13:31:39 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by WillD on Sat Oct 2 22:24:25 2010. Agreed. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 13:33:27 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 3 13:29:21 2010. Yeah, and the Hackettstown trains can run via the Boonton Line and still end up in Penn. Marvelous . . . and to think how much cheaper electrification would have been compared to buying the $12 Million Machines . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 13:35:17 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by WillD on Sat Oct 2 22:24:25 2010. That's odd . . . some sites have the C424's height as 14' 5" and others have it at 15 feet even. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 3 13:38:29 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 13:33:27 2010. I think both options make sense. Electrifying the Boonton line west of MSU makes no sense, it sees less than 10 trains per day and none on weekends. The RVL, OTOH is heavily used and has a schedule that would make electrification worthwhile. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 13:54:36 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 3 13:38:29 2010. Electrifying the Boonton line west of MSU makes no sense, it sees less than 10 trains per day and none on weekendsMakes sense based on population density. The Gladstone Branch has far lower population and is still electrified, as well as being a dead end. Furthermore, it would be a very useful express route to Dover now that it serves Newark Broad. The RVL, OTOH is heavily used and has a schedule that would make electrification worthwhile They'll never, ever electrify it though. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 13:55:36 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by WillD on Sat Oct 2 22:27:25 2010. The counties have. Must we really wait for the state? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 13:58:37 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 2 22:26:37 2010. Speaking of DVARP, here's their dual-mode dream page from way back in 1998. The DVARP head guy is most definitely all about the ALP-45DP in spite of its costs; and I don't think that they envisioned a catenary dual-mode to have been three times the cost of a regular locomotive back then. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Oct 3 14:07:54 2010, in response to PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Oct 2 19:26:25 2010. Dual controllers for two types of power?Or is one set for a 'backseat driver'? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 14:21:39 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:41:05 2010. I'd rather see the money go towards 24/7 service on the Northeast Corridor, Atlantic City (the casino industry warrants this as proven by New Jersey Transit's bus services), and Morristown Lines. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 14:59:35 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Oct 3 14:07:54 2010. The left hand desktop is the throttle and what appears to be a reverser lever (forward, neutral, and reverse), and the right desktop consists of service brake (red) and independent brake (black), all of which are solely used regardless of what mode the engine is operating. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 15:01:03 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 14:21:39 2010. "Atlantic City"This would work better if they only decided to build a wye where southbound trains from NY Penn can go directly onto the Atlantic City Line without the need for changing ends and reversing south of Frankford Junction. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:01:59 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 14:21:39 2010. Absolutely not. Total waste of money. Never mind the fact that NJT's been reducing service during the day! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:03:18 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 15:01:03 2010. They blew it with AC service by not rebuilding the Southern Division. That's the shorter route. The former Amtrak route did and does not work. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 15:05:57 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:03:18 2010. If that wye was built so train would not have to change ends or directions, which of course comes with a time delay, I think the ACL Amtrak service be a bit more profitable. No need to incur any delays to change ends, do brake tests, and then be off on your way, as the dispatcher decides to get you out fast, or stick it to you for the sake of other trains. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Oct 3 15:11:45 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 07:34:12 2010. Does Amtrak have fueling pads @ Sunnyside for their P32s? Maybe the NJT dual modes could use those for refueling? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 15:27:03 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Oct 3 15:11:45 2010. I believe that is provided for at its service facility in the east end of the yard, though I think it is done via fuel truck. I have never seen an actual fuel rack at Sunnyside, as they cater more to the "juice jacks" (aka electric persuasion!!) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 15:29:33 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:01:59 2010. How is it a waste a money? Have you seen the patronage of late night LIRR trains on its busier branches? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:30:08 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Oct 3 15:05:57 2010. Won't really be any faster. That junction is just way too busy to build an effective wye. And it'd never be faster than going via the Blue Comet's route. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:31:16 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 15:29:33 2010. Long Island is not New Jersey. And frankly, the need for late-night service anywhere on the rails in the NY metro area is questionable. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 15:55:24 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Oct 3 15:11:45 2010. Not sure... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 15:59:22 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:51:26 2010. The railroad industry is similar to Major League Baseball with their hiring of managers...they recycle the same unsuccesful assholes over and over instead of hiring fresh new talent who might have new and innovative ideas to make things work right... |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Oct 3 16:07:41 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by WillD on Sat Oct 2 22:24:25 2010. 14'6" should not be a problem same height as a Genesis or a FL-9 or a NJT ML for that matter.I believe the Alco is closer to 15' try manuals at : http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/manual/manual.html |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 16:08:42 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by WillD on Sat Oct 2 22:13:57 2010. Maybe, you never know. But when times are good economically, all those lines (NEC, M&E, and the NJCL) are usually running at capacity, it would be foolish to cut service there to let a few RVL trains into NY. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 16:22:47 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:31:16 2010. Long Island is not New Jersey.You're right, more people use New Jersey Transit IINM, and New Jersey's suburbs are more populated than Long Island's suburbs. And frankly, the need for late-night service anywhere on the rails in the NY metro area is questionable. What's questionable? The commuter lines to NYC are the busiest in the country. |
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Posted by blue8IRT on Sun Oct 3 18:11:10 2010, in response to PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Oct 2 19:26:25 2010. Now THAT looks like an impressive running machine! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 3 19:24:47 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:52:56 2010. You mean the thriving metropolis of Blairstown ? Or Andover, where loadings on the extended MDT service is expected to be 45 people (or at least that's the size of the proposed parking lot) ? Yep " "almost all Pennsylvanians". |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 3 19:27:51 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 13:55:36 2010. There's the problem. NJT is unfortunately the lead agency. PennDOT ought to set up a RR authority, run it themselves, and get STB authority for trackage rights to run straight into Hoboken, stop to discharge westbound, receive westbound at 5 or 6 heavy Jersey stations, just like a Pennsylvania bus company would trying to get to NY. . |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 3 19:34:00 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 16:08:42 2010. The RVL sends 39% of its passengers on NJT into Manhattan, and no train exceeds 6 cars. It is impractical and expensive to send any of those trains into NYPS, rush hour or otherwise. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 19:35:36 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 3 19:34:00 2010. How many people are taking the PATH to Manhattan from the RVL? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 20:31:56 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 3 19:34:00 2010. They actually had one 7 car set running recently (not sure if it's still around), but in any case, it seems like a lot more than 39% come from New York, rush hours or otherwise. When I see the connections from New York come in on Track 4, the RVL trains fill up when they were practically empty before those people got on. Not only is this during the peak hours, but also at 1:00 in the morning as well. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 20:42:10 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 16:22:47 2010. more people use New Jersey Transit...According to page 5 in THIS REPORT, it is suggested otherwise... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 21:17:57 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 20:42:10 2010. I noticed that you didn't quote the "IINM". Regardless, I stand corrected on that quote, but I still stand by my original point that at least the Northeast Corridor and Atlantic City lines get 24/7 service. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 21:18:53 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 21:17:57 2010. Absolutely not. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 21:19:48 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 3 19:24:47 2010. Nope. That's not Pennsyljersey. Thanks for verifying that you've never heard of it. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 21:22:20 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 21:17:57 2010. I agree with the Northeast Corridor needing 24/7 service. That line is similar to the Babylon Line as far as ridership. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Oct 3 21:33:18 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 15:01:59 2010. Using capital funds (money for Electrification or ALP45DPs) to finance an operating expense (additional service on any line) is about the worst possible decision a transit system (or any other organization) can make. Adding another train or two during the wee hours of the morning on the NEC would involve an allocation of funding at least two orders of magnitude smaller than the money spent on either the dual fails or any prospective electrification. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 21:40:30 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 21:18:53 2010. Shouldn't New Jersey Transit be able to add 24/7 service Atlantic City and Northeast Corridor lines with money leftover to electrify the North Jersey Coast Line as you suggested. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Oct 3 21:53:19 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 21:40:30 2010. No, because while NJT's management may not be the brightest on earth, the ALP45DPs being a prime example of that, they are not quite brain dead enough to apply one time capital funding to a service expansion that will require additional funding for every year going forward from that point. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 4 00:11:50 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Oct 3 21:22:20 2010. Would NJT assign enough crewmembers to the trains, is the question?I don't think they need 10-car multilevels for the service, though. I'd say a six-car Arrow is fine (if that!) for between 1 and 5 am, if you're really going to bother with it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 4 00:20:30 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Oct 2 21:47:14 2010. It had better do something for that ridiculously-high price. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Oct 4 06:18:17 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 4 00:11:50 2010. Unfortunately, NJT has the reputation of putting multilevels where they don't belong, like on the RVL, for example. For one year now, the RVL has been 100% multilevels, wasting them on off peak trains where only 2 or 3 cars are needed, while other lines (using normal cars) at the same time period have 6 or 8 cars open. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 4 16:56:29 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 3 19:35:36 2010. Weekday trips, I have 38% NYPS, 49% NWK, 2% HOB, 11% Local.I'd say the local is an under-count. Some people just get and off riding several stations like it were a bus, and there is no way to count them accurately since headcounts are done the old-fashioned way, not by tickets turned in. From that, I'd say it is mainly a lower Manhattan downtown and Jersey Gold Coast market. The weekend trip I was on the Sunday of Labor Day weekend, the 10:38pm out of Newark, I took PATH there. It was pretty well loaded up before its New York connection came in, but when it did, not much changed. |
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Posted by Jrice on Tue Oct 5 12:58:33 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : More ALP-45DP pics!!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Oct 2 20:38:31 2010. What happens if the single pantagraph breaks? None on the other end. |
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