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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 8 15:27:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 8 14:31:54 2009. 'Is politically in the middle' is a vague predicate, even let's say if you index it to a time, soto be 'exactly in the political middle' therefore doesn't make sense to me. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 8 15:29:53 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 8 06:59:26 2009. Figures... no response. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jul 8 15:41:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Ken S. on Wed Jul 8 08:18:32 2009. Ditto. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 8 17:25:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Deaks on Wed Jul 8 08:12:34 2009. Yes and yes. He's overstepped just too often. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 8 17:33:19 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 8 14:30:21 2009. I thought I could get through to him by telling him that if Bush were indeed "far right wing", he'd still be president today, and people like he and I would be in concentration camps. (Sounds like a reasonable extrapolation, right?) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 17:41:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:31:14 2009. Just what is it that Halliburton does that no other company can do that allows them solitary bidding on overseas construction projects?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 8 21:30:23 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 8 17:33:19 2009. He's too far gone. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 8 21:32:23 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 8 15:27:58 2009. Most people are either left or right....even if only slightly so. Edwards does sway slightly to the left, like I slightly to the right, even though we are both "Independents". |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 21:43:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 8 15:27:58 2009. It goes by issue anyway, unless one is a single issue voter.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 8 22:00:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 17:41:59 2009. During the Clinton administration the contract went up for bid and was won by Halliburton. IIRC when that contract expired it was up for bid again and Halliburton was the only one to bid on the contract. When Bush needed a contractor to serve in Iraq Halliburton ALREADY HAD THE CONTRACT for military contingency support.ROAR |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 01:39:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 13:35:16 2009. Yes,I have..in grade school...I Also read YOU...and it is ALSO just as full of holes...So whats your point,if you had one? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 01:46:04 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 18:43:46 2009. Okay...What particular party used phony "TERROR ALERTS" to win the '04 Presidential Election? What particular party kept this country in fear over the span of several years just to gouge us out of billions of dollars,run up the national debt to over a trillion dollars AND turn this fine nation against itself? The FAR RIGHT...[YOUR PARTY,mind you..the one that couldn't POSSIBLY do any wrong..except get a few thousand people killed over the span of a few years..AND one erly morning in September of 2001..] Did I leave anything out...? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 03:08:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 01:46:04 2009. Now you're headed further left than Nilet. You don't know from far right—if you want to find out, go live in Italy, Austria or Germany.You don't know who turned the nation "against itself". With all sorts of European Union propaganda being belched from the left, one may be forgiven for thinking that it was from within. But it ain't. How about talking less and researching more? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 03:09:35 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 18:43:46 2009. 1984 depicts no particular viewpointOrwell explicitly called the ideology of the Party "Ingsoc" (English Socialism). So yes, it's a particular viewpoint, that of the far left. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 03:11:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 01:39:02 2009. Look at what's coming out of Europe. You've been brainwashed by their propaganda. You like being brainwashed by the biggest racist whites in history? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 03:14:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 8 21:30:23 2009. So I see.I know there's that old saying, "If you're not liberal at age 25, you have no heart; and if you're not conservative by age 35, you have no brain", but never saw anything this extreme. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 05:54:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 8 22:00:45 2009. That's not what I asked. What is it that Halliburton does that only they can do?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 06:26:25 2009, in response to LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Doctor B on Sat Jul 4 09:07:32 2009. See subject.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 09:01:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 06:26:25 2009. ESA's not for them. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 09:10:41 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 09:01:44 2009. They won't need a diesel yard if the trains aren't needed there.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 09:11:41 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 09:01:44 2009. They won't need a diesel yard if the trains aren't needed there.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 09:19:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 09:11:41 2009. They'll have to electrify the diesel lines for anything to work out. ESA ain't for the DE30ACs. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 9 09:25:25 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 09:11:41 2009. Actually, the LIRR will always need to run a certain amount of trains there to avoid losing the lease on the yard. Where else would midday layups of diesel consists be (that travel to Hunters Point Avenue)? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 09:39:47 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 9 09:25:25 2009. Where else would midday layups of diesel consists be (that travel to Hunters Point Avenue)?We were talking about when ESA opens and the need for HP Ave service will be at question. That being said, there is some stipulation in the charter for the Montauk Branch in Queens that states that passenger service must always use the line, and if that ceased, the line would revert back to the adjoining landowners. That dates to the 1800's. That is also why the quirky local service lasted as long as it did. Somehow they must have been able to find a loophole in the late 1990's that allowed them to abandon the local stations, but it is still a requirement to send that one train a day in each direction over the line as they do. That's another reason that train even runs. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 09:44:03 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 8 06:40:00 2009. It's not just NYC, many loctions fight Walmart.Here's one example: Stop Walmart Patchogue |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 09:59:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 05:54:54 2009. LION does not know. Go ask the other contractors who did not bid on the contract.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 10:15:35 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 03:11:10 2009. Most whites are NOT racist. And it may well be racist of you to say so.I (and most others I know of) do not identify them selves as white, and do not look at color to identify others. In other words, Being white is not a property that I have to defend or justify. Saying "all white men" is meaningless. Actually saying "all black men" is equally meaningless, but for blacks who MAY identify themselves in terms of their color, it is not meaningless: It is important and of their very essence. Yes they WILL defend their identity as well they should. But if you have to ask whence the color divide in America you will find people defending their identity at the root of the issue. Or so thinks your LION. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 10:17:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 01:46:04 2009. Yes. You left out any semblance of truth or rational thinking. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 10:25:38 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 09:39:47 2009. The need for service to Hunter's Point may (or may not) diminish.The need for a place to stage diesel operations from will always be present. LION does not think that there is adequate space at Jamaica for all of the diesel runs to layover for the day, and LIC may well be the closest place. Indeed, if all they are then doing is taking out of service trains out of the way to park them at LIC, they very well COULD move them on the lower Montauk just to keep them of of the mane lion. Indeed, indeed, if thus were the case, they *might* even make the stops on that route, just to have some tickets to punch. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 10:28:29 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 09:44:03 2009. YUP... I think Delaware or some such obscure burg west of the Hudson passed legislation that discouraged Wallmart for locating there. They built a huge super-store just across the state line, where different laws were in effect. ROAR |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 10:53:00 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 10:28:29 2009. The big problem with the East Patchogue location they have chosen is it's location, not so much that people dont want Walmart. The location, while on the Sunrise, is a residential location, with small roads connecting to it. There are much more appropriate sites they could chose. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 11:56:42 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 06:26:25 2009. No, the diesels will still run to LIC from points east simply because Jamaica can't act as a terminal with so much through service during rush hour. I'd wager Hunterspoint Ave. gets closed when ESA opens, it's existence would be redundant. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 12:00:34 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 10:25:38 2009. I would think it would be a good idea to route all diesels to the Lower Montauk after ESA opens, dedicating 100% of the mainline's capacity to Manhattan-bound service. The Hunterspoint transfer would be unecessary by then, so bypassing the station would do little or no harm. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 12:04:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 12:00:34 2009. I agree. At the very least they don't need HP "AND" LIC service to continue. LIC would be the logical station to keep, as it's right in the yard. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 12:28:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 11:56:42 2009. the diesels will still run to LIC from points east simply because Jamaica can't act as a terminal with so much through service during rush hour.Theoretically, not necessarily. With Woodside now available for transfers, more trains can bypass Jamaica. Scheduled dwell times for many trains at Jamaica are already so long that adding more terminations there wouldn't matter. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 12:31:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 12:28:44 2009. Trains terminating at Jamaica must be fumigated. That's the major problem. I doubt Woodside would be used as a major transfer point, it's basically a local stop on the mainline with an adjacent stop for the Port Washington branch. How many diesels serve it right now? I'm only aware of one. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 12:34:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 12:00:34 2009. Why not keep the diesels at Jamaica?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 12:39:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 12:34:32 2009. Jamaica can only handle so many transferees. When ESA opens, it'll be an even more important transfer point. Every passenger a diesel takes to HPA/LIC is less stress on both the Jamaica station and the Manhattan-bound trains. Don't underestimate the numbers who use these diesels, especially from HPA. That platform can get quite crowded in the PM rush. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 12:42:01 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 12:39:17 2009. What do you need HPA for when ESA is opened?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 12:46:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 12:42:01 2009. Sorry, I meant to add that people would get on the HPA bound trains at Jamaica, no?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 12:58:56 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 12:31:59 2009. Trains terminating at Jamaica must be fumigated. That's the major problem.Dwell time at Jamaica is already rather high, so we're not talking about significant change. I doubt Woodside would be used as a major transfer point, it's basically a local stop on the mainline with an adjacent stop for the Port Washington branch. How many diesels serve it right now? I'm only aware of one. The move would be to have more NYP/ESA trains that are EMUs bypass Jamaica, especially those trains running in slots adjacent or near to FBA trains. The layout of WOOD also suggests an across the platform transfer on the island platform between westbound ESA and NYP trains; eastbound there is obviously not the same concern. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 13:01:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 12:46:58 2009. People headed to NYP currently transfer FROM an HPA train at Jamaica.From what I have seen over the years, there is much transfer TO HPA/LIC-bound trains. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 13:09:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 13:01:22 2009. Thanks for clarifying that.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 13:15:49 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 13:01:22 2009. ESA will wipe much of that out. After ESA I forsee fairly empty trains running to LIC. Don't forget all those employees who still use these trains to get to/from Arch St. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 9 13:28:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 9 09:59:24 2009. That's what I thought.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 13:38:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 9 13:15:49 2009. After ESA I forsee fairly empty trains running to LIC.There are lots of different variants, but basically I think that HPA and LIC are not long for this world as passenger stops. Some possible variants: Current HPA/LIC trains use Jamaica as the western terminal; change there for service to NYP, ESA, and FBA. Current HPA/LIC trains use Sunnyside as the western terminal; change there for service to NYP, change at Jamaica for service to ESA and FBA. Either one of the aforementioned variants and one (or more) short weekday peak LIC peak direction train(s) via Fresh Pond. etc. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 13:52:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 13:38:08 2009. basically I think that HPA and LIC are not long for this world as passenger stopsWhy not? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 14:06:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 13:52:09 2009. LIC is only lightly used as terminal, exclusively for LIRR's shorter non-EMU trains. I could see service continuing perhaps via Fresh Pond only, but that's all.HPA will be located very near to the new Sunnyside station, and it isn't in the best shape; it doesn't make much sense to have two stops located so close to one another, especially when Sunnyside affords more range of transfer opportunity (NYCT Flushing Line and LIRR trains to NYP). Some decades off, since MTA is already engaged with ESA and NJT with the Mass Transit Tunnel or whatever it's being called now, I would like to see MTA and NJT cooperate on a through-station in New York that runs a line from Hoboken to Downtown Brooklyn; that should probably be the next big commuter rail project involving a river tunnel. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 9 14:39:01 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get rescued by ESA so maybe we don't hafta bring this up again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 9 14:06:02 2009. Some decades off, since MTA is already engaged with ESA and NJT with the Mass Transit Tunnel or whatever it's being called now, I would like to see MTA and NJT cooperate on a through-station in New York that runs a line from Hoboken to Downtown Brooklyn; that should probably be the next big commuter rail project involving a river tunnelThe MTA was involved with ARC until about five years ago. If anything, such a "Union Station" should have been in the works decades ago. I don't think there will be any place to turn diesel trains at Sunnyside, and I don't think that they're going there to block ESA trains; they're not going there. Blowing money on high platforms at LIC, in relation to that, would seem very, very short-sighted if they weren't going to continue using both that and HPA. (Bad enough that ESA ended up costing 172 percent its original estimates.) |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Jul 9 21:08:37 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 6 13:18:46 2009. I vote short commuteLiving in a two fare zone taking a bus to the train to the city each day I value the time and stress saved by a short commute. Plus some people are like quiet and others like the action of the city. make your choice The issue is the unneeded idling of the trains which violate NYC 3 min idle law . In the age where Oboma wants to run industrial businesses out of the country with his global warming tax, why is the lirr polluting the air with trains idling for 7 hours. There needs to be a better way. |
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