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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:00:38 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 13:11:26 2009. I know....it was always only a few tracks that were electrified in the LIC yard....on the one side. The recent photos I found on the net confirmed what I remembered.I never said the whole yard was electirfied, but there are a few electrified tracks on one side of the yard. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:01:25 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 13:59:30 2009. The station is in the yard. I didn't say all the tracks are electrified. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:02:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 13:57:35 2009. I assume that's north of the LIC station platform, which would explain why I never noticed any third rail when I was there. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 14:04:15 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 12:33:05 2009.  This is a good overview shot. The right of fence/northern side tracks lead to the Main Line. The switches partially seen in the foreground are what a Main Line EMU train uses to cross over to the electrified south side tracks. Notice the 'kickers' to help out on the switching move. The one thing that I'm not sure of is whether this is block operation or not. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:04:33 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:01:25 2009. Yes, I see that now. It makes sense. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:05:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 13:16:04 2009. Yes, but no one ever said the station tracks were electrified. The station is in the yard. The tracks on one side of the yard are electrified. Electrification comes INTO the yard, even if not on all tracks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:06:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 12:36:50 2009. There's a photo of an M7 on one of the tracks IN the yard. A few tracks on one side of the yard are electrified, and always were. I didn't say the tracks they use for the station platform are electrified. The station uses yard tracks. The original station was just a concrete area in the middle of the yard. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 6 14:07:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 10:30:38 2009.  Sigh. We've been through this before.Rules of war only apply in a war. A group of people with no association to any state that want to blow things up is, fundamentally, a criminal organisation, similar to the mafia. Your talk about releasing them "when the conflict is over" is ignorant and best and sheer propaganda at worst. The "conflict" is between us and an ever-changing bunch of private individuals who don't like us— the "conflict" will never be over. This is not a "war" that will be over in a few years with a negotiated peace treaty. Your talk about the US acting in a "humane and responsible" manner is equally somewhere between ignorant and propaganda. I'd love to hear how you consider the worst and most capricious torture "humane and responsible," especially after some 100-odd people have died as a direct result of it. And for the record, JFK airport is not a "battlefield." You might also want to explain how a busy NYC airport is a "battlefield" and a Canadian on his way home from vacation is an "enemy combatant." This is not the America you're used to, Lion, and no amount of denial is going to change that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:07:35 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:02:08 2009. LOL, this is what I have been trying to tell you since my first photo 20 posts ago! Haha. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:09:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:07:35 2009. Seeing something is better than describing it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:09:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 6 12:56:53 2009. Relevant to the post I was responding to, which CORRECTLY stated:The outrage expressed in this thread is all well and good, but don't expect the LIRR to fight this if they don't have to, and with the increasingly leftward leaning politicians YOU PEOPLE elect (along with the judges they appoint), it's only a matter of time before they get it shut down. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 14:11:14 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:06:45 2009. It seems like once upon a time, the Montauk and Main Lines each had a platform, based on the overall layout. I'll have to check out soem older pics. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 6 14:13:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:47:32 2009. You started it!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 6 14:14:05 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 12:36:23 2009. Some colorful language gets tossed in but it's same old.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:18:51 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 14:11:14 2009. There wasn't much of a platform there in the 90's...I have a few photos "somewhere", but all it was was a concrete slab right in the middle of the yard, that had arrows where you would cross over the other tracks till you got to the side, where there was a little shed:Here's a photo I took in 1994....when entering the station on westbound trains, they usually didn't use this track, but a track in the middle of the yard, but this shed was on the side, I guess maybe for people waiting in the afternoon for eastbounds. 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:23:23 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 14:04:15 2009. All those tracks combine at the bottom though. Before the high level platform, that fence in the middle of the yard wasn't there either. The old station shed, in my other postused to be on the far right if looking at the current photo: There was a low level platform concrete slab about where the high level platform is now, and you used to just walk across the tracks on a concrete pathway across other tracks, when the train came in in the morning. Notice there are a few concrete "platforms" even in the current photo. The trains I usually came into are the one in the middle, which is now on the "wrong" side of the fence that is there now, but has two trains along it. Those were used until 1998. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:26:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 6 14:07:24 2009. Rules of war only apply in a war. Agreed. A group of people with no association to any state that want to blow things up is, fundamentally, a criminal organisation, similar to the mafia. Wrong. Terrorists are not mobsters. Mobsters do not exist to carry on a struggle for a political purpose. And they do not engage in acts of violence against a state, unless said state is in Sicily. Perhaps we need a new Hague convention to define how we treat enemy combatants. But don't act as if they have any rights as of now. No Geneva/Hague convention protocol anywhere demands that terrorists not fighting for a state in a conventional war be treated in any particular manner. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 6 14:27:18 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 12:34:39 2009. It's probably more like 50-50; NIMBYs only vote NIMBY.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:27:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:09:39 2009. Thanks for validating my opinion! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:32:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:18:51 2009. The current platform sits above an asphault slab between two tracks. Even the old lighting on this slab is still intact. I'm not sure where this shed you photographed was in relation to the current entrance to the high level platform. Perhaps near where there's that (usually open) fence near Borden Ave. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:34:15 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:23:23 2009. Well, that answers my last question. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 6 14:36:36 2009, in response to LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Doctor B on Sat Jul 4 09:07:32 2009. I changed the title of the topic since most of new NIMBYs are really tranplanted Yuppies who are new to the area. There are existing Yuppies else where in LIC that don't act like selfish morrons like these do. For whatit's worth they should have done the homework and not believed all the sales pitch that was told to them before they bought into it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:45:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:34:15 2009. Notice in that photo, there's an old platform between every other track. Those were all platforms. The yard has since been rebuilt, and even the ones in that photo appear to be gone, as the photo with the M7 shows. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 14:46:34 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:02:08 2009. No. They appear to be south of the LIC platforms.We are looking west toward the city, the locomotives are pointed east to Long Island. On the right (north) are the LIC Platforms sans any third rails. Then there is a fence. To the left (south) are more yard tracks, and they all have third rails. ROAR |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:48:56 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 14:45:02 2009. Yes, originally LIC had 4 or 5 platforms, a relic of the days before the tunnel to Manhattan was built and all passangers had to switch to a ferry. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:51:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 14:46:34 2009. Right. Dammit, I need a compass. Electric trains can access these tracks in the yard from HPA but not the LIC station itself. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 14:57:11 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 12:11:07 2009. There appear to be two tall apartment buildings between 48-49 and between 49-50 almost right into the water. No streets on Long Island west of Center Street.LION says THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO THOSE DIESELS FOR YOU TO BITCH AT THEM. roar |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 15:13:49 2009, in response to Transplanted Yuppies get steamed, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 6 14:36:36 2009. IAWTP. There is a new homeowner here in Bay Ridge, Bkln who purchased a home directly across the street from the American Legion post. Since he moved in, he has done nothing but complain about the noise on Saturday night from the party guests who hire its party facility. The post structure has been in its present location since 1939 and nobody including the residents who line adjacent to the post on the same side of the street ever complained for all the years that the post has been there. Now this individual had to have been either absolutely blind or brain dead not to realize that the presence of any type of social club such as a K of C, or veteran's organization etc would not necessarily be the quietest place in the world yet he chose to buy a home there. As far as I'm concerned, he and others like him have no gripe whatsoever since they either knew or should have known the drawbacks of living in such a location. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 6 15:30:20 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:26:09 2009. So the mob never blew anything up? Never killed anyone?We can argue technicalities without ever seeing eye to eye; I think the main dispute is one of purpose. I think that locking up, torturing, and killing innocent people is a bad thing, and the existence of some people somewhere who want to blow things up doesn't justify it. To that end, we need to make sure that the people we lock up are, in fact, guilty of whatever it is they're accused of— and confessions coerced through torture, the president or CIA's say-so, or the word of a bounty hunter paid for each person he hands over regardless of what they did or who they are don't count. "Enemy combatant" is a meaningless term made up for political purposes. If we're fighting an old-fashioned war, then enemy soldiers captured are prisoners of war, subject to the protection of the Geneva conventions. Anyone else accused of wrongdoing is an accused criminal, subject to the protections of US law (ie, the Constitution). By the way, you're free to explain how a Canadian on his way home from vacation is an "enemy combatant," if you want. I'd also like to hear why, exactly, you trust the government with the absolute power to declare anybody an "enemy combatant" and imprison them with no oversight and no need to explain their actions. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 15:42:56 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 6 15:30:20 2009. The mafia is not an international terrorist organization. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 6 15:52:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 12:33:05 2009. So they redid the yard and moved the high platform again? This is how it was when I rode Oyster Bay train there. Short high platform at the northern most tracks.  And somehow, this is in between the two above. The high platform seems to be between the third and fourth track. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 6 15:53:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 15:42:56 2009. Nice dodge, there, ignoring the important points in favour of a minor semantic quibble.I reiterate: By the way, you're free to explain how a Canadian on his way home from vacation is an "enemy combatant," if you want. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 6 16:07:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 12:11:07 2009. One Hunters Point was built on Borden Ave. between 5th and Vernon and is not shown on your link. I think it's where the parking lot used to be. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 6 16:36:14 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 14:57:11 2009. They are. 
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 18:01:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 6 16:36:14 2009. Those people have NO EXCUSE... |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Mon Jul 6 20:41:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Jul 4 09:35:37 2009. ...especially if it's one of those Starbucks piece of shit double mocha frappa wappa lattes topped with whipped creme and pretentiousness. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 6 20:58:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:20:26 2009. Um... SHIT! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 23:55:35 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 6 16:36:14 2009. Ahhh, that's the location which had the building with the famous smokestacks used to be, as seen in my old photo from the 90's:
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 23:59:18 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 6 15:52:54 2009. This photo is how I remember it. Notice the asphalt walkway connecting the platforms to the right side where you would leave, that's what I remember walking on when getting off a train there. The train would often pull into one of those middle platforms back with the old diesels.Also notice the electric M1 on the left. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 00:02:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 14:51:39 2009. Yes, but that fence used to not be there. Many of those tracks used to be "the station", back with the old diesels. It's only recently that they only use those two right most tracks for the "station". We would often get off way in the middle of the yard on one of the many low level platforms that were there. They didn't change the tracks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 00:05:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 13:18:16 2009. It's relevant to the post I was responding to which CORRECTLY stated:The outrage expressed in this thread is all well and good, but don't expect the LIRR to fight this if they don't have to, and with the increasingly leftward leaning politicians YOU PEOPLE elect (along with the judges they appoint), it's only a matter of time before they get it shut down. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 00:27:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 00:05:12 2009. As I noted here, this is not a left versus right issue, and I discussed at some length the analysis given by the man who is now probably the most leftwards leaning federal appellate judge in the eastern half of the country, which has become the standard for the entire, very influential, law and economics movement.So I do not see how Chris R27's comment is correct. All politics is local, as a fat and very successful politician from Boston once said. Regardless of whether you're a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Communist, of Free Marijuana Party man, you know what you need to do to secure the favor of these people. I again also question why this topic has devolved somehow into a freewheeling debate between Nilet and Broadway Lion of things that have nothing to do with the issue on Borden Av. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Tue Jul 7 00:31:28 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 00:27:08 2009. IAWTP. Mr. Schneck and Mr. Thienpont should continue this thread via email.(Oh, and FWIW, a one-dimensional "left/right" spectral axis is such a foolishly simplified way of classifying political ideology that it leads to threads like this. :-) ) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 7 02:36:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 4 09:26:03 2009. In-credible....the nerve of those bastards... |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 05:00:42 2009, in response to Re:ef (LIC Yuppies get steamed), posted by Subterranean Railway on Tue Jul 7 00:31:28 2009. How about two axes? Then it's twice as simplified! :D :D :D :D |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 06:02:11 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 00:27:08 2009. I agree. I don't know why Chris has to bring up Obama on an issue with a train yard. The political beliefs of the people who are complaining about the train yard are completely irrelevant to this issue. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 09:03:28 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 6 23:55:35 2009. No, the old powerhouse is a block away from the station and is now another condo of its own.thepowerhouselic.com Long Island City's Powerhouse, Now Yours To Rent |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 7 10:08:34 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 06:02:11 2009. BECAUSE!Without such interesting input the thread would simply wither away into oblivion. Now it can go down fighting taking those leftist-liberal-communist-whippersnappers with them. Nilet and I are going to go over to the donut shop at Newkirk Avenue and discuss some important stuff, such as when the flecked green paint was applied to the inside of the BMT Standards. ROARING |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:29:30 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 06:02:11 2009. You would have jumped right in and said "YEAH" however, if the criticism was about our former president, Bush. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:30:23 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 09:03:28 2009. No, the old powerhouse is a block away from the station and is now another condo of its own.Great, another condo built on a former industrial site near the trainyard, and can now complain about it too.... |
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