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LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008 Have any of the MP54's of the LIRR,former New York Central,and New Jersey Transit been saved,and if yes,where are they,and what is their condition ? |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Aug 11 11:48:51 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. Nope NONE have been saved from the LIRR or NJT sadly. I would loved to ride on one i heard they rode and sounded like the R1/9's did.As for NY cenral i don't know.... |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 11 12:12:06 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Aug 11 11:48:51 2008. The Central's ACMUs were just recently retired; they are probably somewhere on the system. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 12:17:36 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 11 12:12:06 2008. An ACMU and MP54 are two different things though. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 11 12:27:46 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 12:17:36 2008. I assumed that the original poster was looking for the car types that preceeded the M types, as NYC didn't have, to the best of my knowledge, MP54s, which were pure PRR. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 12:35:13 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 11 12:27:46 2008. Oh, i see. But ACMUs were retired in the 90s, or early 2000s if i know correctly. THOSE cars had rust issues of the frames, supposedly. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 11 12:45:56 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 12:35:13 2008. I don't know the facts there, and neither do you. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 11 12:50:02 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. If I am not mistaken, isn't there still a LIRR MP54 car at the Park-n-Ride off the LIE in the Melville, LI area? or did they remove it to somewhere else like the Railroad Museum out in Greenport, LI? |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 13:21:16 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 11 12:45:56 2008. ..lol well said... sometimes we all need to take this advice more seriously. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 13:27:54 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. I've been meaning to ask this about MP54's for some time now. And R33/36 reminded me of it. Its the sounds.We often visited my Dad's uncle in Copiague. His place had the tacks - then at grade level- right in the back yard. Yes, the motors groaned like an R1/9 for example, but i guess that makes sense that the technology at the time included pinion gears and not spiral cut ones. But, a more distant memory for me was the whistle. It was not like a diesel whistle, nor was it like the subsequent M1 whistle. Does anyone recall? What other equipment had that sort of sound. If I had to say it resembled another whistle, I'd say it was like a steam locomotive....but different... |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Aug 11 13:49:58 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. Doesn't the URHS own an MP54 or two?I know there's a wickerliner (The old Lackawanna MU cars) tucked into their collection, but I'm not sure about MP54s |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 13:52:53 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Aug 11 13:49:58 2008. were wickerliners tough cars, or were they like MP54s? |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Mon Aug 11 15:35:27 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 11 12:50:02 2008. Scrapped a year or 2 ago. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by kp5308 on Mon Aug 11 15:35:43 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. Here's a shot of PRR gas car 4662 passing a pair of ex-PRR MP54's on a Wilmigton & Western charter trip last year. I believe they have since been moved.... |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Aug 11 15:40:44 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 13:21:16 2008. At warehouse point in east windsor,ct.there is a LIRR mp54 equiped with trolley poles.its condition is very poor.it has the grey paint scheme. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 17:33:46 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by kp5308 on Mon Aug 11 15:35:43 2008. Remeber there are two versions of the MP54. I think older are the ones with so-called clearstory roofs - the one in this pict. Then there are those with the "Monitor" roof. I am home and don't have pictures available - in office... |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Frank Hicks on Mon Aug 11 17:48:39 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. A dozen MP-54's have been preserved. Click here for list.Included in this total are three from the LIRR and nine from the PRR; the NYC never used MP-54's but rather had their own heavyweight MU cars built over a period of years to several different designs. There are a LOT of ex-DL&W/ex-NJT heavyweight "Edison cars" preserved, though most of them are used as locomotive-hauled coaches nowadays and not preserved as electric cars. See Preserved Electric Railway Cars for more information. Frank Hicks |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 17:59:46 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 17:33:46 2008. Yeah, i was told the older ones had thinner collision posts, and telescoped...the newer ones had thicker collision posts, so they were safer. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 18:03:43 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Frank Hicks on Mon Aug 11 17:48:39 2008. What were the NYC heavyweight car like. Were they pullman MUs?Interesting how the PRR built its own railcars, isn't it? |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Mon Aug 11 18:20:21 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 17:59:46 2008. They were both deathtraps. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 11 19:21:44 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. The "MP" designation was strictly Pennsy nomenclature descrbing the car as a Motor Passenger car with a 54 ft long passenger compartment excluding the end vestibules. Thus the Newark extension cars (Mc Adoos) which belonged to the PRR and not the H & M were designated MP41 and the PRR counterparts of the H & M K cars were designated MP51 since the entire car was available to passengers since they lacked vestibules. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 19:28:20 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by nasadowsk on Mon Aug 11 18:20:21 2008. Not the later models with bigger collision posts though. The cars were built well...only an extra 500 pounds of STEEL to fuse solid collision posts to the solid frame, and they would probably surpass all FRA collision standards. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by stevie on Mon Aug 11 19:33:16 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 11 19:21:44 2008. Not sure if it ws mentioned so sorry if its a repost. Seashopre Trolley Museum, Kennebunkport ME, Has a new roof but needs a freind. It sits on the ramptrak next to the library.4137 LIRR 1930 AC&F MU commuter rail coach - Class MP54A1 Acquired 1972 |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 19:34:21 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Aug 11 11:48:51 2008. That makes me sick to my stomach !! |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 19:35:16 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 12:17:36 2008. BINGO !! |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 19:37:11 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 12:35:13 2008. Rust issues with the frames.That's downright frightening. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 19:47:49 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 19:37:11 2008. I am not sure though, DutchRailnut said something about them being "rotten" underneath. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 19:51:33 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 13:27:54 2008. I hereby declare you an "EMU MP54 Authority" as of 08/11/2008 CE.I was very young when the last of those were retired,but it's great to hear from those that actually experienced them. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 20:07:32 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 17:33:46 2008. I think the first order date back to 1905 !! Correct ? |
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Re: LIRR (not NYCR) MP54s |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 11 20:12:16 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 11 19:21:44 2008. The LIRR had MP41s as well. These NYC MUs were definitely not MP-anything, though.  |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 20:16:11 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Frank Hicks on Mon Aug 11 17:48:39 2008. WOW !! Thanks for that valuable info Frank.You deserve a goddamn f___'n medal for that. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Mon Aug 11 20:16:36 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 19:28:20 2008. Yeah, they were deathtraps too. There's plenty of pictures out there of th various MP-54s the LIRR demolished through the years, they all basically crunched easily. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 20:19:53 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 19:51:33 2008. The memories I mentioned in Copaigue go back to when I was about 5 or 10, so 1956 - 1960 ish. But, As a grad student I began commuting on the LIRR in 1972 - Framingdale or Massapequa to NYP. At that time - and for about a year or so after that - they were still running non M1's MU's from NYP or Flatbush to the W. Hempstead branch, the latter still, presumably, having low platforms. So, I would arrange my schedule to get an old train (grey and that orrange color scheme) between NYP and Jamaica. But, that didn't last long. I loved riding with opeanable windows.... |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 20:19:53 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 19:51:33 2008. The memories I mentioned in Copaigue go back to when I was about 5 or 10, so 1956 - 1960 ish. But, As a grad student I began commuting on the LIRR in 1972 - Framingdale or Massapequa to NYP. At that time - and for about a year or so after that - they were still running non M1's MU's from NYP or Flatbush to the W. Hempstead branch, the latter still, presumably, having low platforms. So, I would arrange my schedule to get an old train (grey and that orrange color scheme) between NYP and Jamaica. But, that didn't last long. I loved riding with opeanable windows.... |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 20:20:57 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 20:19:53 2008. OOOops - double post. Bad Frank! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 20:24:33 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by nasadowsk on Mon Aug 11 20:16:36 2008. But they were robust. The crashed through eacch other, perhaps, but I bet they would crash through an NJT Comet 5.I once saw a photo of a vintage pullman car that tore halfway through a new bi level car. And i saw a pic of a triplex after it collided with another triplex, and it didn't crunch up easily, and in fact, it showed signs that it had thick metal where it counted. Maybe the MPs didn't have thick metal where it counted though. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 20:24:35 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 11 19:21:44 2008. Thank you for that !! |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Aug 11 20:43:24 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by nasadowsk on Mon Aug 11 20:16:36 2008. Follow the link to pics by browsing through. |
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MP72s - Was Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 20:51:25 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. On the LIRR the double deckers were the MP70s. But there were also MP72s later. I never knew of them on any other railroad. Never liked them. They went on well into the '80s stripped of their MU equipment running as couches in diesel terratory... At their end, they were wretched! |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 20:51:51 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Aug 11 20:43:24 2008. As if a Comet 5 is indestructible. All I am saying is that MP 54s were SOLID, robust cars. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 11 20:52:22 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 20:24:33 2008. Seeing the wreckage from the February 1950 wreck at Rockville Center, which pitted MP-54A #1482 vs. MP-54C #1919, I would tend to politely disagree with you on this. These two collided corner-to-corner on a gantlet track, and basically disemboweled each other - a "half-telescope", if you will. MP-54s, despite their steel construction, collapsed fairly easily.An example of more rugged equipment would be the 1955-vintage MP-70s, also known as "Zips". I've seen a few accidents involving these (after their conversion from motors to diesel coaches), and collision damage was basically limited to the vestibule areas. i.e. #2704 and #2711 at Huntington - involved in a grade-crossing accident with a flatbed, which, incidentally, ripped the clamshell right off an M-1 which was taking a nap on the nearby layup track! wayne |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 20:58:53 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 11 20:52:22 2008. I see, thanks. But what about the later model MP54s...with the better design?Also, where did you get the pics? the DOT library doesn't seem to have pictures of the older wrecks like that. |
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Re: MP72s - Was Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 11 21:01:05 2008, in response to MP72s - Was Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 20:51:25 2008. 80s? The demotored MP72s didn't retire until the late 90s. The GP38-2s that hauled them are still going as switchers on other railroads.If the LIRR had put some money into them (maybe even converted them and the Geeps to proper push-pull and HEP, using the MU cabs as push-pull cabs instead of wasting all sorts of fuel hauling around a dead-in-tow Alco or switcher) and maintained them over the years, they would have been more amenable. |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 11 21:01:48 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 20:51:51 2008. You can say it all you want, but it won't make it true. |
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Re: MP72s - Was Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 21:03:58 2008, in response to Re: MP72s - Was Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 11 21:01:05 2008. interesting idea... |
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Re: LIRR/PRR MP54s? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 11 21:08:23 2008, in response to LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Flxible Bus Authority on Mon Aug 11 11:46:06 2008. New York Central MUs went by a different name and had different builders. They weren't the MP54. (This one was. Joe Korman photo; Elizabeth NJ.) |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 11 21:31:21 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 20:58:53 2008. The pictures I have seen from the RVC wreck were from Newsday's archives. The DOT report supplied me the unit #s. These two cars, one from roughly 1910, the other from the mid-1920s, hit point-to-point. Both cars were split down-the-aisle, and everybody who was on the wrong side of the aisle died, 31 in all.The last batch of owl-eyes that were classified as MP-54s came in 1930. These were the 1135-1179 series and were designated MP-54A1c. They appeared to be very similar to earlier models, at least on the outside. wayne |
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Re: MP72s - Was Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 11 21:33:54 2008, in response to MP72s - Was Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Aug 11 20:51:25 2008. Don't remind me of how utterly bad these cars were at the end of 1999 and beginning of 2000. They were rolling ovens, stinking of urine and feces, and with collapsed seats. Nothing I've ever ridden - not even BMT AB stock on its last legs, and 50-plus-year-old Q cars - were as bad as these were.wayne |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 11 21:37:36 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 11 19:21:44 2008. I thought that the McAdoos were MP-38s and the LIRR MUs (1000 series) that ran in joint NYCT/BMT service (later, on the CLP-Mitchell Field Shutttle) were the MP-41s.-w- |
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Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 11 21:37:46 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/NYCR MP54's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 11 21:31:21 2008. I read that later MPs had thicker collision posts, don't know how that helped in collisions though. |
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