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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 00:38:04 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 00:10:18 2008. I didn't say he wouldn't. But you said he'd use the rest on the subway. But he's not using the subway. He's using the LIRR. Where in his scenario did he say he uses the subway? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 03:08:37 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 13 23:15:30 2008. What do you call it when a bridge charges a toll to pedestrians? That's what this is. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 03:09:56 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 13 23:25:01 2008. Why would you buy two MetroCards instead of one? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 06:52:01 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 13 23:25:01 2008. Correction. It would cost $16.While we're being picky, it's $16.67. Buy a $20 metrocard, get $24 in fares. When you're done you have 2 subway fares left. But a subway fare only costs $1.67 in real money. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 07:09:18 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 00:38:04 2008. If he never uses the subway he could purchase a Metrocard worth $16.67 and with the bonus money it would be a $20 card. No matter how you look at it, a Jamaica - HB round trip on AirTrain costs $16.67 (going up to about $17.50 with the fare increase). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 08:13:28 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 00:38:04 2008. When he walks away from the Airtrain station he would have a $4 Metrocard in his pocket after spending $20 to buy it, so the trip cost him $16. I dont care HOW he uses the $4...whether it be for the subway one day, or add $1 to it and use it for AirTrain some other day, or take a bus to hell....either way, Airtrain only cost him $16. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 08:14:08 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 03:08:37 2008. NO. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 08:15:00 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 03:09:56 2008. I said that for illustration purposes. You know I mean the Buy $10 and get $12. You save on every $10 you buy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 08:16:16 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 06:52:01 2008. Okay, I can accept that. But the thing is, he was using $16 of it for Airtrain. How he uses his bonus $4 is up to him. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 09:26:59 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 08:16:16 2008. How he uses his bonus $4 is up to him.Still being picky (just because I can), his "$4" bonus is only worth $3.33. It is good for 2 subway rides, and the cost of a ride by any reasonable measurement is $1.67. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 14 09:31:14 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 11 12:53:39 2008. OK |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 14 09:38:23 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 13 23:15:30 2008. For whom does the Pedestrian Toll? It tolls for Thee! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 09:59:11 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 08:13:28 2008. It cost him the full amount until such time as he gets around to using the rest of the money on the card. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 10:00:09 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 08:14:08 2008. Yes it is. People on the other side of the bridge ride free. People on the NYCT side of the bridge pay $5. That's a pedestrian toll. AirTrain is free from the Howard Beach station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 14:58:14 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 10:00:09 2008. It has to be that way, otherwise people would try and be fare evaders and not pay for the service of their AirTrain. The other people already paid for parking. Raise the parking fare then. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 15:28:52 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 14 14:58:14 2008. It has to be that way, otherwise people would try and be fare evaders and not pay for the service of their AirTrain.Why do they have to pay for AirTrain? The HB branch is a wholly on the property airport circulator. Airport circulators are free. The other people already paid for parking. No they didn't. They got dropped off at the kiss and ride. Or they walked onto the property not via the HB station. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Feb 14 15:40:04 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 15:28:52 2008. You really don't know the meaning of "move on", "let it go" or "give it rest", do you?, 'stop beating a dead horse" |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 15:46:52 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Feb 14 15:40:04 2008. If I don't, then neither do you, lol. And how convenient of you to forget that it takes two people to have a conversation. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Feb 14 15:55:58 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 15:46:52 2008. Believe what you wish. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 16:21:46 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Feb 14 15:55:58 2008. I believe the truth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 16:44:06 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 07:09:18 2008. You can't buy a card for $16.67 from an MVM, unless they changed the policy. I don't know if you can buy one from a booth, I've never tried. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 14 17:21:37 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 15:28:52 2008. Most Airport circulators are free. |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu Feb 14 23:45:55 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 14 17:21:37 2008. Not wanting to get drawn into the argument, but wanting information:Except for the argument going on about JFK (and, I suppose, by extension, Newark Air Train), what airport circulators charge you directly? Oh, and I suppose you could put SEPTA at Philly there if you were so silly to use it to travel between the terminals!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 23:58:33 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by JohnL on Thu Feb 14 23:45:55 2008. you already know the answer - none. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 15 00:23:05 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 23:58:33 2008. The airport circulation section of AT (traveling between ((among?) parking lots and terminals) is free. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 00:42:11 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by JohnL on Thu Feb 14 23:45:55 2008. None that I can think of.But if the AirTrains do charge you (they do) and they are also circulators (they are) therefore, most but not all circulators are free. Is SEPTA's R-1 a circulator? Yes, but not a very convenient one. Aside from the fare, it only runs once or twice an hour. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 00:46:22 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 15 00:23:05 2008. I know that. Riding wholly within airport property is free. There are only two charges. One is a fare to ride off the property on the Jamaica branch. The other is a pedestrian toll to cross an imaginary line between the Howard Beach AirTrain terminal (on airport property) and the Howard Beach station of the New York City subway (not on airport property). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 00:54:45 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 00:46:22 2008. Brian says it's unreasonablr to charge money just to cross an imaginary line. You cross from airport property to NYCTA property - $5.I agree. I think charges should be eliminated for other imaginary lines: Crossing from the casino to your hotel - eliminate the room charge Crossing from the street in Coney Island (city property) to the Ferris Wheel (amusement ride property) should be free. Eliminate the unfair charge for the ferris wheel. Crossing from the quad to the classroom - that line should be free too. Eliminate tuition. Crossing from the atrium to the movie screening room - should be free. It's an imaginary line. So what if the movie's playing It should be free. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 15 01:03:35 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 00:54:45 2008. None of those are by intention charge for entry-- Those are charges for use. In fact, frequently, in all but the second, they DONT charge people for crossing such lines... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 01:20:35 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 15 01:03:35 2008. Well, if the PA moved the fare control swipe right up the platform doors of AirTrain (that is, you could walk throughout the AirTrain concourse, including right next to the train) that would solve the problem. In order to use the train, you'd then have to pay. Just like walking right next to the Ferris Wheel.Why don't you write to the PA wth that suggestion. They are sure to appreciate it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 01:21:21 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 15 01:03:35 2008. i told ya... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 04:13:15 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 16:21:46 2008. The truth you believe is opaque, at best. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 04:14:05 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 14 23:58:33 2008. Nice to see you are still ignorinfg Ron. Keep up the good work. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 04:16:43 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 01:20:35 2008. Great idea, then the foamers would be able to photograph and brian would stop bitching. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 06:50:16 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 04:13:15 2008. The truth I believe is the truth. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 06:50:29 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 04:14:05 2008. Thanks. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 07:08:41 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 06:50:16 2008. An opaque one. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 07:09:53 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 07:08:41 2008. No, the truth. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 07:10:46 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 07:09:53 2008. Yes, an opaque truth. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 07:21:19 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 07:10:46 2008. No, just the truth. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 15 09:34:19 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 00:46:22 2008. It sounds like time for the diagrams again.Current situation (TOLL):  Some possible situations with no tolls:  
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Posted by monorail on Fri Feb 15 10:09:14 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 15 04:16:43 2008. 'brian would stop bitching'hell would have to freeze over, first..... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 10:17:28 2008, in response to Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 15 09:34:19 2008. Very nice drawings. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 10:49:53 2008, in response to Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 15 09:34:19 2008. nice, but as you can see, Ron just looks at the pictures, but doesn't address the content |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 11:41:35 2008, in response to Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 15 09:34:19 2008. Remember, it costs money to park, so those people using Airtrain already paid to park (and don't tell me Howard Beach has some disproportionate amount of people that walks from their homes to take a plane with their luggage).Also remember, that the subway does not cost $2 for most people*, nor does Airtrain cost $5 either**, so the $ figures are high. *Subway fare is $1.67 for pay per ride (Every $10 = $12 Metrocard) or less as many people have weekly, monthly, and other Metrocard discounts). Nobody that uses the subway more than just in passing pays $2. **AirTrain fare would be round trip $4, buy a $10 card, get $12 on the card, and have two dollars left on it (after only spending $10) after using it round trip (or even if only one way, you would have $7 on it after buying the $10 card). No one using transit in the Metro area for more than just in passing would not buy the $10 card to get $12. And that extra $2 also would cover you subway fare, so that $7 number is inaccurate. Furthermore, I believe for regular users, there is a monthly that costs $50 for unlimited use. Those using it for work would only spend about $1 a trip on it. Furthermore, there is also a 10 trip deal too, but I forgot how much that cost, but either way, $5, $7, $2, all those numbers are wrong, as well as this ridiculous notion of an invisiable pedestrian barrier. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 11:43:26 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 11:41:35 2008. **AirTrain fare would be round trip $4, buy a $10 cardTo clarify, That was supposed to mean $8 round trip, $4 each way. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 11:46:56 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 15 00:46:22 2008. The other is a pedestrian toll to cross an imaginary line between the Howard Beach AirTrain terminal (on airport property) and the Howard Beach station of the New York City subway (not on airport property).That is not an pedestrian zone to cross an "immaginary" line. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 15 11:49:51 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 11:46:56 2008. Brian has issues with boundaries. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 11:50:47 2008, in response to Re: Crossing Imaginary Lines, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 15 01:03:35 2008. Don't tell me that there is some sort of mass of people that are getting charged to walk from their Howard Beach homes (dragging their luggage) to the Howard Beach AirTrain. What would that be, one person a year at best?The fare is for people transferring between Howard Beach NYCT station to AirTrain, just as there is from the Suphin Blvd NYCT station at Jamaica (as well as LIRR) to AirTrain. People paying for their parking there ride the circulator to the airport after paying their parking charge (don't think the parking charge is high enough, then charge more). People dropping people off on Airport property can leave them at the circulator. There is no imaginary pedestrian toll. In fact the thought of that is "immaginary". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 15 11:56:10 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 16:44:06 2008. I don't get this whole $16.67 thing.In my scenario. You buy a $20 card. You get $24 after paying that because of the buy $10 get $12 discount). You swipe at Jamaica/HB you have $7. You swipe again when you get home, you have $2. The Airtrain cost you $8 because you have $2 left at the end of it all. Use that for a subway/bus ride. |
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