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Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 01:26:01 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 01:19:17 2008. Oh gosh, the ultimate torture... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 01:26:19 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 01:12:05 2008. If you had to take the stairs at Parsons/J-E every day, your attitude would be different.What I always found to be funny is that the TA has talked about CBTC and automation for years, while not being able to maintain 18th century technology like an escalator running properly. Another TAism is the Metrocard machine. I've seen subway stations like 168th A/C lines where 9 out-of-ten machines were out-of-service at once, and for weeks at a time. You can't imagine the chaos this causes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 01:27:26 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 01:26:19 2008. I meant Metrocard vending machines. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 01:39:36 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 01:26:19 2008. "If you had to take the stairs at Parsons/J-E every day, your attitude would be different."Not really. Most days that Iused the station I did take the stairs. But I saw the escalator working. "What I always found to be funny is that the TA has talked about CBTC and automation for years, while not being able to maintain 18th century technology like an escalator running properly." I can put an escalaor in my house and it will work forever, because I don't have a herd of elephants pounding the shit out of it day in and day out and Homer Simpson types pushing the red button for fun and peopler jamming things into the stair tracks. Now, MTA needed to take that into consideration, and if they didn't shame on them. But that doesn't meran evey escalator is out as often as you make it out to be. "I've seen subway stations like 168th A/C lines where 9 out-of-ten machines were out-of-service at once, and for weeks at a time" I've never seen a situation like that, but if you did, I believe you. Ihave seen swipers operating at stations where the vending mahines were out and nine times out of ten it's the swiper who vandalized the machine -soI call the police; the swiper gets arrested and a technician has to open the machines to clear them. The swiper comes back the next morning and tries again. and so on. I admit that sometimes I briefly entertain thoughts that run something like this: if the transit cop beat the shit out of the swiper with his billy club or a "sap" and threw him down a long escalator, then gave him a "nickel ride like Philly PD used to do, the swiper would find some other hobby. I admit that this aspect is wrong thinking and very ugly and I do not advocate it. *A "nickel ride" is when Philly PD make an arrest; the arrestee is an asshole who gives them a lot of lip, resists arrest, gets arrested evety day etc. When the transport van comes to get him, the officers put him, handcuffed behind his back, in the van with no seat belt. As the van drives toward the lockup, the driver jackrabbits out of intersections, goes flying around sharp corners at high speed and slams on the brakes. By the time the van makes it to the lockup, the prisoner has definitely "gotten the message." This practice was stopped in the ladt few years and with good reason. |
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Re: Robert Moses Would Be Proud (Re: PHOTOS (Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 1 01:48:07 2008, in response to Re: Robert Moses Would Be Proud (Re: PHOTOS (Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 31 08:07:14 2008. The Cross-Bronx wasn't meant for just Bronx residents. Also try to imagine how bad traffic would be WITHOUT the Cross-Bronx Expressway. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 01:55:19 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 01:39:36 2008. Swipers aren't the sole reason of MVM mishaps. For example, the machines often fill up with bills and need to be emptied, rendering them useless for cash payment. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 02:00:45 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 01:55:19 2008. "reason of" should be "reason for". Oops. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:14:26 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 01:55:19 2008. MVMs are exceedingly unreliable machines. The LIRR/MNCR TVMs are significantly better machines. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 02:15:06 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 01:39:36 2008. I meant to say vending machines.At 168 on the A/C/1 lines I've seen bad situations. One time, I was at an entrance at 168th st where there are three vending machines, and a station agent. ALL three vending machines said "OUT OF SERVICE". The station agent was not allowed to go back in his token booth to sell cards. Basically, he had to stand there and tell people to go back upstairs, and cross two avenues to get to the 24-hour token booth. Would've been so much easier if he could've just gone back in his booth, but TA wouldn't allow it at the time. TA had just introduced the "roving agent" title, and wanted it to work. Eventually a frustrated customer hit the agent. At the north end entrance of 168, on many occassions, I've noticed that ALL METROCARD VENDING MACHINES WERE OUT OF SERVICE AT THE SAME TIME, for WEEKS AT A TIME. And this was no coincidence, nor is it me blowing things out of proportion. It's just a fact. Saw this every day of my life. I've also seen days when ALL Metrocard vending machines at 68/Lex were out-of-service, causing long lines, inconvenience, and congestion around the token booth and exit. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:19:02 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 01:55:19 2008. Swipers make up most of the reason. You are correct in that a machine CAN fill up with bills, or it can run out of Metrocards i the dispenser. However, more people now pay with credit or debit cards than with cash, so cash is not an issue, and with normal replacement schedules the machine should not run out of cards.That is why swipers are the majority of the problem. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:22:17 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:14:26 2008. Reasoning?The LIRR and MetroCard machines are equivalent design, except that MVMs are used a lot more than the LIRR machines are. Even if the MVM's are more reliable than the LIRR machines, you would see them break down more often because a smaller % times more uses = higher incidence of breakdown. Additionally, vandals hit MVMs moire than the LRR machines because they can then take over the turnstiles. Too bad you spend a lot of time foaming instead of learning. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:23:38 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 02:15:06 2008. "One time, I was at an entrance at 168th st where there are three vending machines, and a station agent. ALL three vending machines said "OUT OF SERVICE". The station agent was not allowed to go back in his token booth to sell cards. Basically, he had to stand there and tell people to go back upstairs, and cross two avenues to get to the 24-hour token booth. Would've been so much easier if he could've just gone back in his booth, but TA wouldn't allow it at the time. TA had just introduced the "roving agent" title, and wanted it to work."That was dumb, agreed. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:23:53 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:19:02 2008. Source for any of that?I havn't seen a swiper at my home station since I was a Senior in high school... Over a year, and the MVM still rarely works. I don't have numbers to counter it, but I HIGHLY doubt that even close to half of MVM transactions use credit card. Your source for that number? (OTOH, I would not be surprised if most rides were paid by credit card, but I doubt most transactions are. ) |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:29:51 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:22:17 2008. I really don't see where you get the impression that the TVMs are used infrequently from.The Penn Station TVMs are in constant use, MUCH more then the average MVM, and are constantly FUNCTIONAL, UNLIKE the average MVM. MVMs with police officers stationed in front of them still break down frequently. Vandalism really does not have much to do with the sorry state of the MVMs. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:33:40 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:23:53 2008. "I havn't seen a swiper at my home station since I was a Senior in high school"You'd have to turn off the foam first. You're looking for a human, not a subway car. Yu can doubt anything you want, but you don't express any interests beyond your railfanning so your "doubts" simply come from a juvenile need to argue and pretend. Finish school and get a job, and add 5 years to your cronological age, and we'll see if you do any better. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:43:39 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:33:40 2008. Yet again ron shows how little he knows about the subway, and the posters on this board.It is painfully obvious that YOU are the main person on this board who doesn't see people. YOU don't see the people who are hurt by the MTA's incompetance in fare control. YOU arent locked out of the system when an MVM fails. YOU don't see the people hurt by the MTA Evicting people from property they didn't need and won't even use. YOU aren't paying the tax dollars which are being spent on buying up the properties that the MTA will end up not using. YOU don't seem to understand that people have lives beyond what you see on this board. YOU don't understand that your oppinions are You seem to have defined yourself fairly well as what you like to call a foamer.(Probably somewhat closer to Autism in your case...) The irony is breathtaking. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:53:22 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:43:39 2008. "YOU don't seem to understand that people have lives beyond what you see on this board."You don't have a life beyond this board. Other than this board, intellectually, you're still a zero. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 02:56:51 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:19:02 2008. I use the Bergen Street station (F/G) quite regularly when I'm at home. The closest entrance to my house is at Warren and Smith, where there's one standard MVM and one smaller credit-only MVM (the token booth was removed long ago.)Swipers used to frequent this entrance, and jam the machines, but that all stopped quite suddenly about 2 or 3 years ago when roving police officers began patrolling throughout the station quite frequently. However, the MVM failure rate is at about the same level as it was when the swipers were there a while ago. Usually, the MVM is full and doesn't accept cash, which was the same error that the MVM reported during the swiper era. A postscript: when both MVMs are in service, I often have to wait for several people to make cash transactions at the MVM to purchase a MetroCard with cash, while the credit-only machine goes largely unnoticed. People may use the credit-only machines throughout the system, but a significant percentage of riders still buys MetroCards with cash. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:58:45 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 02:56:51 2008. "but a significant percentage of riders still buys MetroCards with cash."That is certainly true. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 03:00:01 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:53:22 2008. There you go, trying to project yourself onto others again.Just because YOU have trouble in social interactions does not mean OTHER people do. Your inability to comprehend the minds of others is a rather strong indication of autism. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 03:03:02 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 02:58:45 2008. But you just said that it "[wasn't] an issue"! |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 03:09:32 2008, in response to PHOTOS (Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 30 15:38:33 2008. What are the multicolored signs affixed to the temporary fence in the second to last picture?I'll bet it's an art installation of some kind. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 03:11:02 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 03:03:02 2008. Think about it. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 03:19:22 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 03:11:02 2008. Sorry, I've got better things to think about at this time. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 03:20:25 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 03:19:22 2008. Like foaming. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 03:20:29 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 03:19:22 2008. Like foaming. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 03:20:37 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 1 03:19:22 2008. Like foaming. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 1 03:52:13 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 31 22:41:32 2008. Yes, I do. Had they bnot approved, the project would not have moved forward in its current form.Not entirely correct. Something along the lines of the FTC has been in the works for a long time. If somebody asked the average NYer something like: "Would you like the MTA to make the transfers at Fulton St easier to navigate?", close to 100% of those questioned would answer with a resounding YES. (me included). Most people however do not follow up on the details of the project as we do here on SubChat. They take the MTA's word that the project will make Fulton easier to navigate. After 9/11, most of the public's attention to that area has been focused mainly on the more emotional and symbolic projects of the reconstruction, mainly the 9/11 Memorial and the design of the Freedom Tower. Most NYers will never even know that the MTA even planned to build a Glass Egg. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 1 05:14:35 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:43:39 2008. 100% correct. Ron seems to enjoy belittling and attacking others, which is the primary sign of anti-social behavior. Maybe the kids at school picked on him too much. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 1 05:47:21 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 03:20:37 2008. I thought you hated foaming? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 1 05:50:10 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:43:39 2008. >>>YOU arent locked out of the system when an MVM fails. <<<<I have never found myself in that position nor, will I allow it to happen. Anyone who allows themselves to get locked out of the system is simply "playing the victim". |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 05:50:23 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 1 05:14:35 2008. Yup. It is amazing how transparent he is.I think there is a good chance that he has mental issues beyond what childhood bullying could cause. I really suspect that his issues are beyond behavioral. They stem from the lack of a realization that there are other people in this world other then ron. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 1 05:52:36 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 02:29:51 2008. >>>>The Penn Station TVMs are in constant use....<<<<CONSTANT use? Oh no they aren't. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 05:52:53 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 1 05:50:10 2008. Of course I didn't let it actually keep me from entering the system... If anyone was around, I would ask for a ride off their card, or I would walk two blocks to the nearest staffed entrance. Still, it is an annoyance which has occurred numerous times due to the horrendous vending machines which NYCTA has. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 1 05:56:18 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 1 05:52:53 2008. You wouldn't even have to even bother anyone else if you simply prepared for such an eventuality by always having a card on you with at least one fare on it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 1 06:18:11 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 1 05:56:18 2008. You mean like keeping a dime on ya for a phone call back in the day?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 06:40:27 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 1 01:12:40 2008. Thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 06:43:28 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 1 03:52:13 2008. Not entirely correct.Of course Ron is not entirely correct. He's not even close to being correct. But in his own mind, he's 100% correct. And you're not going to change his mind. |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Feb 1 07:39:44 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 00:50:27 2008. 'I like Hemmerdinger's plan. You can't just leave a hole in the ground. So you finish up the below-ground aspects and you make nice at the surface and then ask the developers to propose, "What's next up?"'Fair enough as a temporary measure, to avoid an eyesore being there for years. But for the longer term, surely a solution that brings in income from the air rights would be the best thing all round - you can still have a lofty, attractively designed main entrance hall for the subway station(s) at ground level, with stores, restaurants, etc., within in. But above, a tall office building. Why not? It's a neighbourhood made up almost entirely of tall office buildings. Seems a no-brainer to me. |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Feb 1 07:41:45 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 01:39:36 2008. I wonder about the escalators. Certainly they are going to be pounded for a lot of the day, every day. But that says they should be designed to take the pounding. Other cities, eg London, manage their escalators much better.Now, yes, London does have luxury of shutting down overnight, when they can perform escalator maintenance. But the MTA could take individual escalators out of service in the small hours (and advertise it in advance!) for maintenance. And escalator replacement does seem to take much longer than necessary. I saw multiple escalator replacements at Court St/Borough Hall when I worked in the area. A lot of them appeared to go on the same timeframe: 1) Hoardings erected. 2) Existing mechanism removed. Sometimes steps stored in corner, sometimes removed from premises. 3) Wait. 4) Wait. 5) Wait. 6) Wait… You get the idea. Now some of the replacements involved Asbestos abatements (at least according to the notices on the hoardings) but I would take a look at the work site and see no changes for months at a time. Again, I contrast this with London where major escalator repairs and replacements (think of all the wooden escalators being removed after the Kings Cross fire) were handled much more expeditiously. I wonder whether the piecemeal construction of escalators in New York has resulted in a situation where the MTA’s escalator collection has few/no common spare parts and budgetary constraints mean that refurbishment has to mean that the escalator parts are shipped away, worked on, and then returned. If this is the case, I would be looking at how much it would cost to standardize escalators to a few models so that I could have a reasonable spare parts inventory. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 07:44:01 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by JohnL on Fri Feb 1 07:41:45 2008. You get the idea.No, he doesn't get the idea. Others here strongly suspect autism, but since I'm not a doctor, I don't know for sure. And until you guys stop responding to him, this isn't going to end. |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Feb 1 07:46:35 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by JohnL on Fri Feb 1 07:41:45 2008. 'Other cities, eg London, manage their escalators much better.'Recently, yes. But for many years the length of time needed for escalator repair/replacement work in London was pretty much as bad as in NYC. It took a lot of work at improving project management methods to get London to the position it is in today - where, when an escalator goes our of service, they can say with reasonable accuracy when it will be back. It's also a case of needs must. In most NYC stations (with a few obvious exceptions like Roosevelt Island), escalators are a luxury. In most London stations, they are a necessity. |
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Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub |
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Posted by avid reader on Fri Feb 1 08:34:01 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Fytton on Fri Feb 1 07:46:35 2008. 63rd and Lex is a gem.Earlier this week E407 was out of service for three days. It is the UP escalator from the downtown platform to the next mezzinine. The thing is the absentee station manager din' bother to consider changing the direction of the Down escalator. For three days crowds of passengers form each "F" train went single file up the narrow stairs. Climbing down stairs is easier then climbing up. Climbing down is faster too! The number of passengers going up greatly out numbers thosse going down. |
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Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 1 09:06:24 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 1 00:47:54 2008. Well, pure luck or not, my encounters with the escalators systemwide has not been pretty. As I said, the great improvement I've seen over the years has entailed operating the only operating one of a pair of two escalators in the up direction; a sensible move.When I used to live in Flushing, that escalator was out a lot, and my observations came at the tail end of the rush. What was striking was that they were brand new escalators, and their performance seemed to be directly related to the weather. If it's gotten better since I moved east, so much the better. One of the escalators I nowadays have the most experience with is the one built at the 58th St entrance/exit to the Columbus Circle station. It was put in when the Time Warner Center went up, and one of two escalators is routinely out of service and being actively repaired. By 'actively', I mean from start of operations right to the present day. Moreover, you don't have to take the word of foamers for it. Listen to the MTA. They recently promised to make escalator and elevator performance better, and recognized its a longstanding problem. That recognition alone has taken a long time to materialize, but its a positive step. In a news story on the same, I also recall an MTA official also recognizing that escalator renovations took too long, and that too needed updating. This was around the time when the ability to check to see what's actively working came online. So there are problems in this respect. WMATA, a much newer system, to be sure, has lots of escalators, some of them very long given the construction of their system, and I've noticed they seemed to have a rather better record on escalators. Also, maybe I should break off NYCT from MTA in this effort. The LIRR escalators I most often observe are at NYP, and I'm not sure who maintains those - might even be AMTK. But I'll add that this is not merely an observation on MY part; it's a systemic thing that even the boys and girls in charge have taken notice of. I can't find the news story I wanted, but here's one that shows some steps being taken, which obviously wouldn't be required if all were already tickety boo. And here's today's readout from the NYCT status page I mentioned: (Elevator & Escalator status is subject to change without notice.) Elevators Reported Out of Service Elevator # Station Train Line(s) Location EL401 LEXINGTON AVENUE / 63RD F MEZZANINE TO STREET Escalators Reported Out of Service Escalator # Station Train Line(s) Location ES114 161ST STREET / RIVER AVE B,D LOWER MEZZ TO UPPER MEZZ ES215 59TH STREET N,R,W BMT CENTER ISLAND PLATFORM TO IRT SOUTH BOUND PLATFORM ES237 7TH AVENUE (BROADWAY) B,D,E SOUTH BOUND PLATFORM TO MEZZ ES336 BOWLING GREEN 4,5,6 LOWER MEZZ TO UPPER MEZZ ES401 LEXINGTON AVENUE / 63RD F MEZZANINE TO STREET ES412 ROOSEVELT ISLAND F UPPER MEZZANINE TO STREET ES415 ROOSEVELT ISLAND F LOWER MEZZ TO UPPER MEZZ ES417 ROOSEVELT ISLAND F NORTH BOUND PLATFORM TO LOWER MEZZ ES420 ROOSEVELT ISLAND F SOUTH BOUND PLATFORM TO LOWER MEZZ ES430 VAN WYCK E MEZZANINE TO STREET ES431 VAN WYCK E MEZZANINE TO STREET ES438 PARSONS BLVD E,J,Z MEZZANINE TO STREET ES441 PARSONS BLVD E,J,Z MEZZANINE TO PLATFORM ES443 PARSONS BLVD E,J,Z CENTER ISLAND UPPER PLATFORM TO MEZZANINE ES444 PARSONS BLVD E,J,Z CENTER ISLAND UPPER PLATFORM TO MEZZANINE Friday, February 01, 2008 |
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Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 09:23:52 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 1 09:06:24 2008. wow, starting to take his side now... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 1 09:37:35 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 09:23:52 2008. Sarcasm, or you have a reading comprehension problem?Mr. Ron seems to be under the impression that things are a lot better with escalators than they are. I should add that I was one who wryly observed to Mr. R30A that if NYCT was having trouble running escalators, I'd be genuinely concerned when boarding their ZPTO trains. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 09:38:53 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 1 09:37:35 2008. Moreover, you don't have to take the word of foamers for it. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 1 09:46:01 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 09:38:53 2008. So? He wants the proof or 'proff' as some here say, so let him hear it from MTA. Surely, THEY are not run by the foamers Mr. Ron at times exaggerates the negative influence of. So if he doesn't buy what people in topic such as LuchAAA and myself said, well, hear it from them.I don't really know what a 'foamer' is, anyway. Only ever seen one individual literally foaming - drooling actually - at the RFW, and he seemed a bit disturbed. Once in over a score. Not a bad record. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 09:48:55 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 1 09:37:35 2008. Mr. Ron seems to be under the impression that things are a lot better with escalators than they are.Hello! Ron is a major problem. Almost all of his impressions are wrong, he refuses to listen to reason, he refuses to have an honest debate, he refuses to respond to questions about his reasoning, he refuses to listen to people who know more than him, and he labels anyone who he disagrees with a foamer and then makes unwarranted personal attacks. He has even come very close, or actually has, committed libel on these forums. He has no credibility, is completely unreliable, constantly posts false and misleading information, and recently even posted nude photos using the img src= tag without any kind of warning. He is a parasite on this board. He would go away, or change his ways, if all of you people would quit giving him an audience. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy: you want to show everyone that he is wrong, but by replying to him, he gets to reply back to you again, not admitting that he is wrong, and making himself feel good by deceiving himself into thinking that he is EDUCATING others here about the realities of the NYC Subway, and also about the dangers of listening to "foamers". Can you even imagine all of the good, honest debate we could have with each other about real, interesting, issues, if all of you didn't waste so much time trying to talk to the wall that is ron? I can - because when he was absent from here for several months in a row, this place was great. It was really great. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 1 09:50:58 2008, in response to Re: A PARK??? Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 1 09:46:01 2008. The point is that the people here who are right, and are trying (misguidedly) to get Ron to see that he is wrong, are NOT foamers in the derogatory sense that Ron uses the word. So by using that word in the context of Ron's pathetic arguments, you are surely making his day, and only emboldening him to use it more often. |
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