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Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 3 08:56:11 2007, in response to Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 08:37:29 2007. source ?? story ? rumor ? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 09:11:57 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 3 08:56:11 2007. source ?? story ? rumor ?Its supposed to be part of the "option order" for the R160's,thats not a rumor.. I think its another Contract but if it was i think there would be some kind of press release out if it was a new contract. Thats just me thinking though.. They never mentioned how long the trains are supposed to be though in the "Option Order" and Kawasaki is picking this up. Its not a "crew room rumor" though, beacuse nobody really is talking about it. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 3 09:39:34 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 09:11:57 2007. so show us were you got the info ?? weblink, proff ?? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 09:57:45 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 3 09:39:34 2007. so show us were you got the info ?? weblink, proff ??Got it from somebody with knowledge of the situation "anonymously".. Thats all im saying.. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 10:36:29 2007, in response to Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 08:37:29 2007. Why didn't they just buy M7s for the SIR. After all, they used to run MP72s on there . . . Even their BMT Standard cars had commuter rail-like (or interurban-like) seating.  |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:47:24 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 10:36:29 2007. Why buy M7s?Rapid transit cars should run on rapid transit lines, much like commuter cars should run on commuter lines. for all purposes, SIR is a part of the subway that isnt connected to the rest of the system |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 10:53:09 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:47:24 2007. Wrong. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Sat Nov 3 10:55:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:47:24 2007. No, they are a railroad and are subject to the rules and regs of the FRA. Therefore, they're a railroad and other than maintenance issues can run M-7's on their tracks. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 10:58:17 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Hart Bus on Sat Nov 3 10:55:36 2007. These new 75 ft Cars have to be on a new contract , but i cant find anything on the MTA website that says what the "length" of the cars should be..Very Very interesting... |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 10:58:29 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Hart Bus on Sat Nov 3 10:55:36 2007. M-7s would be a problem if the SIRT were connected to the subway system, as they're 85 feet long. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:59:53 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Hart Bus on Sat Nov 3 10:55:36 2007. FRA doesnt matter.They are still a rapid transit system, just as path is. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:05:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 09:57:45 2007. Yeah but saying that here on this board is kind of going out on a limb.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Nov 3 11:06:42 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 09:57:45 2007. A few weeks back the S.I. Advance casually mentioned in an editorial that new cars were on the way for the SIR. But since then nothing official has been announced by either the SIR or the MTA. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:07:20 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 10:58:29 2007. I doubt that SIR will be connected to NYCT within the service life of any new M7 trainsets, but even that's not correct, I think one has to consider quite a few factors to see what kind of equipment would be preferable.First, since SIRT is FRA-regulated, there are standards to meet. Is there a difference in third-rail potential between SIR and MNCR/LIRR? (There certainly is between NYCT and the latter). What's the acceleration one wants to achieve? What's the top speed? What's the part of the line, if any, limiting train length? What's cost-effective given SIR needs? For another thing, perhaps SIR could just re-scale the new PA5 PATH cars. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:09:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:07:20 2007. Also one other factor: the M7 cars seem very heavy, so weight's a concern too, as well as powering that bulk to move at speed from a dead stop. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:13:06 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:09:36 2007. the M7 cars seem very heavyTo whom? Older MUs were way heavier. I wouldn't say that an old SIR BMT standard was much lighter. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:13:14 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 10:58:29 2007. Then they should connect SIRT to Metro North and send all trains to WAssiac......that'd give Chris R-16/27/30 something to railfan or Photograph....or should I say one of his great great grandsons.Jimmymc25 ps....don't take that seriously...okay? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:14:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:07:20 2007. Is there a difference in third-rail potential between SIR and MNCR/LIRR? (There certainly is between NYCT and the latter)Never used to be. They used to test NYCT cars on LIRR and Metro-North. There even used to be through-running of some LIRR trains into the BMT (like on the Broadway Line). perhaps SIR could just re-scale the new PA5 PATH cars That would be more difficult than putting M7s on there. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 11:15:37 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 10:58:29 2007. There is NO WAY the SIRT could be connected to the subway during the lifetime of new cars.ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:15:43 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:13:14 2007. Then they should connect SIRT to Metro NorthWrong type of third rail. To LIRR would make more sense. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Nov 3 11:15:55 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Hart Bus on Sat Nov 3 10:55:36 2007. But since it is now disconnected...the railway can now be de-FRAed. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:17:07 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:14:44 2007. They used to test NYCT cars on LIRR and Metro-North. There even used to be through-running of some LIRR trains into the BMT (like on the Broadway Line).Yes, but my understanding is that with the arrival of the M1/M3 family of cars, the voltage now runs higher at both railroads, but not at NYCT. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 11:18:52 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:14:44 2007. R-44s were tested on the LIRR, and IIRC there *were* problems with voltage differences.LIRR *used* to be 600v DC, but was upped to 750 when the M1s needed more power. DC traction motors are forgiving beasts, and can run on many different voltages without problems, but trying to run them to the max on a higher voltage seems to have been a problem. Maybe someone who had *truth* may tell the story better than I. ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:22:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:13:06 2007. That's why I gave my qualifier "seem". What's the weight on the M7? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:25:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:15:43 2007. I should have known you'd take that seriously..lol!!!!Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 11:25:41 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:59:53 2007. PATH is subject to FRA Regs. SIRT is a Class 1 railroad that currently operates rapid transit rolling stock. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:28:18 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 11:15:37 2007. How long you figure a connection would take?Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 3 11:31:13 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 11:25:41 2007. That's exactly correct. The SIRT only has rapid transit cars on it because the MTA urgently needed to replace the ancient B&O cars running the on the SIRT and the R44s were seen as the quickest option at the time. I don't think there's any reason for them to change it up this late in the game though, as they can simply put R160-like cars on the line. That would further allow for the potential of expansion to the subway system. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:35:19 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 3 11:31:13 2007. The SIRT only has rapid transit cars on it because the MTA urgently needed to replace the ancient B&O cars running the on the SIRT and the R44s were seen as the quickest option at the timeI already linked one of numerous pix of the LIRR's MP72s on the SIR. Those were not so ancient. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:35:38 2007, in response to Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 08:37:29 2007. Aged? How old were the old SIRT cars in 1971? 50 years? The R44's haven't even reached 40 yet. Of course, the old SIRT cars were a lot sturdier and better built. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 11:36:08 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:35:19 2007. Those were a stopgap measure.SIRT is SIRT for a reason. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 11:37:58 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 11:15:37 2007. Never say never. Figure new cars would have a useful life minimum 30-35 years.Of course, it looks unlikely now, but I wouldn't count out that the SIRT could go light rail with branches and maybe hook up to HBLR. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:38:54 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:47:24 2007. The SIR is really more of a commuter than a rapid transit line. PATH is a rapid transit line. SIR is more like the Port Washington branch of the LIRR. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:39:58 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 10:58:29 2007. The M7's will be long scrapped before that ever happens. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:40:54 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:17:07 2007. 700 to 600 volts, IIRC. |
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Posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 3 11:41:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:07:20 2007. For another thing, perhaps SIR could just re-scale the new PA5 PATH cars.Which are just rescaled R160s, as we have seen from the photographs. So really, if you do that, you're back to what's supposedly being ordered now. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:41:57 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:13:14 2007. By then, someone will have invented the transporter. Scotty, beam me to Waterbury ... |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 11:41:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:35:38 2007. They were 1925, so 46 years. The Clifton Shops worked like dogs (horses? beavers? gerbils?) to keep them going. As of 1966 they needed 48 cars for rush hour and had only four spares. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:42:16 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 11:36:08 2007. Actually it's SIR, now, isn't it? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:43:49 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:28:18 2007. Not the proper question. You should ask how much it would cost, and how much opposition will exist. If the process began today, it'd probably take 15 years just to get the project authorized and funded. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 11:44:04 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:42:16 2007. It is still a division of NYCT |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 11:44:19 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:39:58 2007. A SIRT-subway connection is one of those things that could be done in a decade or less or could be done never. There is only the will to do it or not. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 11:45:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:22:59 2007. 128K lbs |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 3 11:45:18 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:35:19 2007. I was talking about the B&O MUE-1s which began service in 1925 and continued through to the 1970s. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:45:24 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:59:53 2007. I disagree. SIR is a commuter line. Maybe not in definition, but in practice. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 11:45:46 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:40:54 2007. 750 |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 11:45:56 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:42:16 2007. No, officially it's still SIRTOA and it's still a Real RAILROAD. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 11:46:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 11:44:04 2007. Anyway, my point is that the truth isn't so much in the names - we could re-name LIRR tomorrow to LIRT and change nothing - but in the function. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:47:32 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 11:44:04 2007. For operational and geographical purposes only. What other "subway" runs at 30 minute headways? It's a commuter line in all but name. |
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