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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007 I started a new section on RRPictureArchives.net for the LIRR stations that are no longer with us, but still have their mortal remains around to visit.First up: Corona (closed 1963), and Fresh Pond, closed March 16, 1998. More soon. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 00:51:17 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. Wow, Fresh Pond station looks cleaner and neater now than when it was a "station"!! Actually, it looks exactly the same almost!Here's a photo from 1993 or so, the train has just finished stoppin at the "station". I am standing on the overpass: 
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Posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 5 01:30:13 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 00:51:17 2007. question about that station.where exactly is/was it? how would you get to it? is it anywhere near fresh pond yard on the M? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Apr 5 04:21:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 5 01:30:13 2007. Metropolitan Av & Fresh Pond Rd, behind a used car lot (just east of the intersection on Metropolitan). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 08:06:44 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 5 01:30:13 2007. It's not near the M's Fresh Pond yard. it's near the intersection of Fresh Pond Rd and Metropolitan Ave. About 100 feet from the corner, there was a very small narrow opening between a fence and a concrete wall, where you entered a winding pathway to the "station". The station itself was nothing more than a pedestrian overpass over the tracks, and a concrete curb with ballast where the trains stopped in the weeds. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 5 08:20:17 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Thu Apr 5 04:21:40 2007. Here's where the entrance was:
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 5 08:56:42 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 5 08:20:17 2007. I just noticed the original poster has a similar (but later - note the additional graffiti on the sign)picture.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 12:37:21 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 5 08:20:17 2007. Hmmm, using the term "customers" was a stretch, because I doubt more than one person actually used this "station". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 12:38:28 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 08:06:44 2007. I can't believe this service lasted in this manner as long as it did with so little patronage. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 14:07:20 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 5 01:30:13 2007. Station was near the intersection of Fresh Pond Road and Metropolitian Avenue. The stairway/overpass was on Metro just east of Fresh Pond. You had to know where to look before you found it.The subway yard was several blocks east of the intersection. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 14:10:22 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 08:06:44 2007. Wasn't there some kind of lean-to "box" of some kind that acted somewhat as a makeshift station house? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 5 14:47:12 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 12:37:21 2007. Uh, no, Fresh Pond was one of the "higher" ridership stations, with I believe 4 passengers a day |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Thu Apr 5 15:35:26 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 14:07:20 2007. more like 1/2 a mile. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:40:24 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 5 14:47:12 2007. SARCASM! Jeez, I'm getting sick of people missing the obvious! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 16:49:08 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 5 14:47:12 2007. I would have thought Richmond Hill had more riders. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:55:14 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 16:49:08 2007. Wh? Just because it "looked" like a real station? Richmond Hill was second only to Penny Bridge in least ridership...especially considering it's proxoimity to Jamaica. Fresh Pond was the most used station on the LIC line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:57:07 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 12:37:21 2007. Actually, there were about 4 or 5 regular users of this station...which was high for the line. You would get about 4 or 5 daily users, and about 1 or 2 random users there, more than any of the other LIC stations. Haberman was the second highest use station at about 3 or 4 users, foloowed by Glendale with about 2, Richmond Hill at about 1, and Penny Bridge was lucky to have even one person. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 16:58:25 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:55:14 2007. At least Richmond Hill Station can be cleaned up and used in case of the LIRR not being able to get into Manhattan. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:58:25 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 14:10:22 2007. Yeah, I have a photo of that somewhere....it was a sheet metal shed (if you can call it that), wherew teenagers would set campfires. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:59:02 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 14:07:20 2007. A lot more than several blocks.... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 17:02:39 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 08:06:44 2007. Until the station was closing and the notice was posted, I thought it was a stairway for employees. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Apr 5 17:45:54 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:55:14 2007. Nobody's going to use Richmond Hill when it's within walking distance of 121st Street on the J. The main problem with stations on that branch is that the service is spotty and slow, and it's faster in most cases to either to take a bus or subway to Jamaica to catch a train eastward or go to the nearest subway to get direct service to Manhattan than to go play the game of LIRR + ferry + bus (or long walk) to the nearest subway in Midtown. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Apr 5 18:31:57 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 00:51:17 2007. Sad truth is, some OPEN SEPTA platforms look as bad (or worse) as this one! |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 5 18:32:21 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:57:07 2007. I used that station once about 20 years ago, just to see what it was like. I was the only one that got off there that day. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 5 18:38:29 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 00:51:17 2007. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:30:35 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 5 18:38:29 2007. Yup, that was an OPERATING station until 1998. And amazingly, aside from Richmond Hill, it's the station on that line that had the most look of a station, the others were just a sign (and sometimes not even that) near a grade crossing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:35:11 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 16:58:25 2007. There were a few plans that used RIchmond Hill when there were supposed to be Amtrak strikes, which would have closed Penn Station to the LIRR. Back in the early 90's, I was all set to ride the special trains. LIRR diesel service was to end at Richmond Hill (they didn't want to overload the 7 or the E, so diesels were to skip Jamaica, not go to Hunterspoint, having people transfer to the 121st St J station to a special "P" train that would be a super express running via the WillyB, the Chrystie cut, and terminating at I think 34th St/8th, or somewhere over there (not sure of the terminating spot, but it was to run to the 8th Ave line). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:37:07 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Apr 5 17:45:54 2007. Some of the stations would have done better had there been some resemblance to a real service and stations on the line. Richmond Hill would have been a low use station anyway, even if frequent service, because of it's proximity to Jamaica, and as you said, the 121st St station on the J. It may have been used for people reverse commuting perhaps, but not Manhattan bound people. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:41:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 5 18:32:21 2007. I used Fresh Pond pretty frequently in the early 90's, as it was very convenient for me (although only if I was to travel around the time the infrequent trains ran - there was one westbound in the morning, and two eastbounds in the early evening). There were always the same two people that got off with me at Fresh Pond in the morning, and always about one or two other random people (that was the morning train that came from patchogue). In the evening, I also used it a few times, and there was always about 3 others there, not necessarily the same 3 each time.The official LIRR count was 4 or 5 I believe in the LIRR stats, and my personal experience supported that too. Glendale had an occasional 2 or 3 people, but sometimes there were none. The same one guy I always saw at Richmond Hill, and he was the only guy I ever saw use RH. If I went towards LIC from Fresh Pond, there were about 3 or so people that used Haberman, but I have never seen nyone get on or off at Penny Bridge. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 5 20:42:14 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:30:35 2007. Back in the early 70's I used to commute on the LIRR to school in the city (Pace U) from Mineola. As I was just as much a railfan then as now (of course with no internet I thought it was just me!!) I would take the LIC branch as often as I could. In those days all trains to/from LIC used the lower Montauk. As I was a Pettycoat Junction/Green Acres fan that line was the closest thing to the Hooterville Cannonball I knew of. And getting on at LIC was fun as it was the only time I was legally allowed to walk through a train yard. In those days the diesel coaches had manually operated doors so you could stand in the vestibule with the door open. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:43:25 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 17:02:39 2007. Yup, and that's all it really looked like. It's amazing that they were using such a "station" in the 1990's...it looked like something out of the 1920's... |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 5 20:47:27 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:30:35 2007. They didn't have to close those stations just because of the new trains. They could have had the type of high platforms that they have at Belmont Park, just a small wooden structure with steps on both sides as in the following picture from Bob Anderson's site:
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 5 20:57:42 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:37:07 2007. ["Richmond Hill would have been a low use station anyway, even if frequent service, because of it's proximity to Jamaica, and as you said, the 121st St station on the J."]I don't know, if I remember using the Hempstead Line with my grandparents in the 50's & 60's, people got on and off at Union Hall Street and if I'm not mistaken that was even closer to Jamaica than Richmond Hill and also close to the Jamaica El.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 21:05:27 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 5 20:57:42 2007. Yes, but Union Hall St is east of Jamaica, and you can ride into Manhattan easily. Richmond Hill is west of jamaica to which you would have to backtrack to Jamaica in order to get to the other LIRR lines, or ride west on a line that dead ends in LIC, and to go to manhattan you would have to transfer to the subway |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 21:07:34 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 5 20:42:14 2007. I used to always ride in the open doored vestibules until 1998 when they got rid of the trains. Unfortunately, they were only open east of Huntington, Ronkonkoma, or Bay Shore, East Williston, and the LIC line, as they only kept them open in the low platform areas |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 21:09:29 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 5 20:47:27 2007. AGreed, they only needed one stairway/ramp. However, would the expense have even been worth it for 3 or four (if lucky) passengers a day. I wonder if there would have been a loophole to not have to have them ADA compliant too, as Fresh Pond would have been cost prohibitive to make ADA compliant, and Richmond Hill would have cost a fortune too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:25:34 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:55:14 2007. I would think Penny Bridge and Haberman would've been the 2 most used stops, since no nearby subway alternative existed. Ditto for Glendale. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:27:06 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:35:11 2007. This was actually done during the 1987 strike. I developed a deep dislike for LIRR riders at this time, who felt riding the subway was beneath them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:30:48 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 16:49:08 2007. Why? Nothing's there and the subway serves the area. Perhaps if someone in Richmond Hill worked in LIC, the LIRR would have been a better alternative before the Archer Ave. extension opened, and only if you worked a schedule which allowed you to catch one of the few trains. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:31:42 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:27:06 2007. >>>>....who felt riding the subway was beneath them. <<<What horseshit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:39:35 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:31:42 2007. Hell no, I am totally serious. Snooty Islanders invaded my J train and felt that they were better than us, including one woman who demanded a seat. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:40:43 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:39:35 2007. All in your head, I'm sure. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:45:22 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:40:43 2007. Why would I make this up? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:46:43 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:40:43 2007. Skewed preception on your part. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Apr 6 11:48:57 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:39:35 2007. While some may have been obnoxious, I am sure a number of the riders just fit in with the rest |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:49:47 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R30A on Fri Apr 6 11:48:57 2007. no doubt |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 6 11:50:21 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:39:35 2007. Well, if you liked her enough, maybe you could have created some room next to you. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 6 11:53:39 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:31:42 2007. When I am walking on the street above the Jamaica Center subway station, I know for a fact that riding the subway will be beneath me.The only alternative is to bring the train to the surface. 8-) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 12:03:13 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R30A on Fri Apr 6 11:48:57 2007. Very true, but I saw enough obnoxious passangers to color my perception of them for years. I suppose they probably did not like having to get off their nice M1's and then get onto slow, creaky R16/27/30's on the J at the time. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 13:35:30 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:45:22 2007. Skewed preception on your part. |
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