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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 14:02:58 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 13:55:18 2006. 28, 23, and 8 differ from each other because of the artwork unique to each. I don't think they look the same at all. I think what was done to make them classic but different was superb. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jul 27 14:15:34 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-BMT Broadway Line, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 23:27:15 2006. Actually, according to the red emergency signs on the ceiling at the south end of the station that cite emergency exits and direction of train travel, this station is in the IND division :)--Mark |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 14:52:20 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 14:02:58 2006. I agree with that. And isn't it Prince that has little people walking on a tightrope from when end of the station to the other? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 14:56:40 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 14:52:20 2006. Yeah, I forgot that one. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 15:45:31 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-BMT Broadway Line, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 23:27:15 2006. IMHO 57th St-7th Ave. should be renamed, 57th St.-Carnegie Hall. Heck, Carnegie Hall was already there when that line opened. Lincoln Center OTOH didn't even exist when the original Contract One line opened. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 27 15:56:54 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 23:00:53 2006. That looks so much better than the ugly bricks. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 27 16:15:25 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 11:06:32 2006. I kinda remember the stone benches with homelesses on them... Missing along them are the porn shops, porn movie theaters, pimps, con men right above the station. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:32:42 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 14:02:58 2006. You can add that type of artwork at a station that does not get a classic restoration. Union St had that done. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 27 17:33:23 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 14:02:58 2006. IAWTP. I wouldn't object to one station (probably Union) keeping its refrigerator tile, but who needs an entire line in that style? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 17:42:21 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 13:42:10 2006. *Truth* |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 17:43:06 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by xtimx on Thu Jul 27 13:49:54 2006. The tiles on 4th Avenue are nice in theory, but their execution is simply terrible.That being said, I wouldn't want the mosaics to return either. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 17:44:03 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:32:42 2006. Union had the most attractive renovation, IMO. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:47:41 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:32:42 2006. Yeah, and Union Street is still ugly. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 17:47:59 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:32:42 2006. What does that have to do with the discussion? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:50:47 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 27 17:33:23 2006. Agreed. Personally, I don't think it's all that bad of a design....if it was used on let's say the Second Ave subway when it was built, as it would reflect the style at the time they built the line. But I hate the fact it covers all the mosaics. A station or two like Union wouldn't be all that bad to save. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:52:33 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:47:41 2006. Give it modern lighting, and it would look much better. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:53:11 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 17:47:59 2006. It has plenty to do with the discussion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:57:15 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:52:33 2006. Agreed. Perhaps, then keep that one. However, "there's no reason the whole line has to look like that". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:58:11 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:50:47 2006. if it was used on let's say the Second Ave subway when it was builtTo be clear, since we were talking about 70's renovations, I meant if it was built in the 70's. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 17:58:55 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:53:11 2006. No. You said: "I'm all for rennovating, and even removing the existing walls. But if this will result in stations that will essentially be replicas of each other (just with different words in the middle of those mosaics), then what's the point."I showed how the current classic renovations are not replicas of each other and as such, do not meet your criteria of what you don't like. If you're going to introduce even more stringent criteria now, just come out and say it. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 18:01:41 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:57:15 2006. I agree with you. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 18:06:41 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 17:58:55 2006. I showed how the current classic renovations are not replicas of each other and as such, do not meet your criteria of what you don't like. If you're going to introduce even more stringent criteria now, just come out and say it.Many renovations don't include artworks. You also don't need to renovate to install an artwork. I just grow tired of seeing the same style of Mosaic, over and over, and then have railfans talk about how that is sooo much better than everything else. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 18:34:13 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 18:06:41 2006. historic preservationYou're entitled to your opinion, but so is everyone else. And it is my opinion that stations that meet certain criteria are worthy of having their original appearance kept indefinitely (or if already altered, restored during the next renovation). Many other people agree with this. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jul 27 18:57:38 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 18:34:13 2006. I agree with this. I'd rather see orignals kept so for generations could see how it looked like when it was first built. Maybe I feel this way because I prefer to see something orignal as opposed to seeing things get altered in some way. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 21:42:37 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 18:06:41 2006. and then have railfans talk about how that is sooo much better than everything else.It goes way beyond railfans on that one. Historians, and average people also like the result such as the renovations on Broadway. Ask the majority of average passengers if they like Rector St better or 23rd St, Prince, 8th, etc better, and you will get an overall majority choosing 23rd, 28th, etc. This is WAY beyond "railfans". |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:04:29 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 17:43:06 2006. A nice compromise would be to have the blocks of colored tiles line up with mosaics and have the mosaics show through. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 22:06:08 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:04:29 2006. You mean like at some LEX station(s)? |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:07:31 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 27 17:33:23 2006. Who needs an entire line in the other style either? There are only ten stations with that type of tile left, while there are dozens with the usual BMT/IRT tiles. Variety is the spice of life. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 27 22:10:13 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:07:31 2006. The other style looks nice. Refrigerator tile is ugly.And as others have pointed out, the Broadway BMT stations got platform artwork as part of the restoration projects. They're all quite different now. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:12:48 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 18:06:41 2006. I honestly can't stand the Broadway Line stations, the artwork just barely brings it up to tolerable. That's just my opinion, though.The Nassau and Canarsie lines' tiles aren't too bad. |
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Posted by thedarkliberator on Thu Jul 27 22:13:53 2006, in response to 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 17:36:51 2006. #3 is an awesome photo... your shots really bring the station out, thanks for posting |
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Posted by tydev417 on Thu Jul 27 22:14:30 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 21:42:37 2006. Well I agree in that sense, Rector with it's BMT renovation-thing looks wretched. I also wouldn't mind having them take down those orange bricks at Bowling Green and giving the station another renovation using the older mosaics while keeping a newer look to it. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:15:16 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by xtimx on Thu Jul 27 13:49:54 2006. The 4th Av tiles are great. So were Broadway's. They're my second favorite type of tiles (my favorite being the IND tiles). It would be nice if they lined up the alternating blocks of color with the mosaics on the wall, and let the mosaic tablets show through. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Thu Jul 27 22:19:49 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:12:48 2006. It's a huge from what was there before though, it brought the dull Broadway Line back to life after those renovations were done.
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Posted by tydev417 on Thu Jul 27 22:22:47 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 14:02:58 2006. I agree so much, the renovated stations look excellent compared to the prior BMT refrigerator look. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:19:08 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 18:34:13 2006. Being an architecture enthusiast, I had no idea what historic preservation was, or how to balance historic preservation with modern construction. Thank you for pointing this out. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 28 00:26:49 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:19:08 2006. I was wondering why I needed to spell it out for you because I knew you were doing the architecture thing... |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 00:31:13 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by tydev417 on Thu Jul 27 22:14:30 2006. Bowling green should get a restoration definately,49th-- I think an interesting compromise would be to restore one side to original appearance, and restore one as is. theyre separated enough that I dont think it would be too clashing. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:36:29 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 21:42:37 2006. This is largely because Rector still looks like crap. Add tiles on the floors, better lighting, and some artwork to the walls, and I doubt that it would fall far behind in the same poll. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:38:22 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 27 22:10:13 2006. The other style looks nice. Refrigerator tile is ugly.Really, so you mean that plain, white tile is uglier than tile with varying colors? And as others have pointed out, the Broadway BMT stations got platform artwork as part of the restoration projects. They're all quite different now. You could do the same with the 'refrigerator' tile. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 28 00:39:15 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:38:22 2006. But the 'refrigerator' tile is ugly! |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:39:16 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:12:48 2006. I like the boradway stations. I actually can not stand the 14th st line stations. Every tile mosaic is the same. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 28 00:39:49 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:39:16 2006. So why does sameness = badness? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:41:01 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:15:16 2006. They're my second favorite type of tiles (my favorite being the IND tiles).Finally. I'm not alone in my preferrence of IND tiles over BMT tiles. It would be nice if they lined up the alternating blocks of color with the mosaics on the wall, and let the mosaic tablets show through. That is why I like the 51st street station. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 28 00:43:25 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:41:01 2006. Finally. I'm not alone in my preferrence of IND tiles over BMT tiles.I like IND tiles as well. That is why I like the 51st street station. Ugh, that thing is awful! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 00:48:28 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:38:22 2006. There's no reason that old fashioned ceramic tile can't be colored. In fact, at some stations it is.That said, having alternating swaths of large white and blue (or yellow or red or whatever) tiles doesn't do it for me. And, to my eyes, at least, white-on-black signs are a lot less interesting than mosaic name tablets. Even if the name tablets on the line are all in the same style, they're hardly identical. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 00:50:18 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 00:48:28 2006. and-- They arent all in the same style on the broadway line. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 00:54:17 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:39:16 2006. No they're not. They're all totally different from each other! |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 00:56:25 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 00:41:01 2006. That is why I like the 51st street station.51st Street would be nicer if A) they picked a better hue rather than the hummus-colored brick and B) they actually tried using tiles instead of bricks, so the tablets would be flush with the rest of the wall. But it's a good theory. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 01:30:02 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 28 00:39:15 2006. No uglier than plain white tiles. |
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