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Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 15 16:24:57 2018, in response to Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 15 16:22:53 2018. You were charged a fare to exit in the Rockaways. And you were charged two fares to enter. Somehow you could get a refund if your ride was totally within the Rockaways. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 15 16:32:24 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 15 16:24:57 2018. Ahh so something like St. George on the SIR, now. (Pay to enter, pay to exit) |
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Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 15 16:33:50 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 15 16:24:57 2018. Eliminated in 1975 when the fare went to $0.50? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 15 16:34:41 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 15 16:24:57 2018. Did you go through 2 turnstiles to enter or did they rig them to demand 2 tokens ? |
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Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 15 16:37:12 2018, in response to Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 15 16:22:53 2018. You had to pay two tokens to enter and one token to leave (as the first token would have been paid to enter).Since this would have resulted in a triple fare for intra-Rockaway travel, they handled it by having booths that were inline with the turnstiles with a window facing in and one facing out. In addition to selling tokens to people inside fare control if they didn't have a token to leave, people who entered could request a time-stamped ticket at no additional charge. The passenger would return the ticket on exit and then receive a token back and the clerk would unlock a turnstile (I think) to let the passenger out. The passenger was also refunded a token. |
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Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 15 16:37:38 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 15 16:33:50 2018. Correct. |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Nov 15 16:44:53 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 15 16:34:41 2018. You had to put in two tokens to enter, one to exit. If you just wanted to railfan you could simply crossover without paying anything, same as at other stations. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Fri Nov 16 10:35:45 2018, in response to Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 15 16:22:53 2018. While we're on the subject, I've heard the Dyer Ave line used to collect the fares on board on off hours. What's the deal with that and when did it stop? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 16 10:58:00 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by nasadowsk on Fri Nov 16 10:35:45 2018. There was a roaming conductor, railroad style. IIRC you put a token into a slot in some sort of hand-held device that he carried. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Nov 16 11:13:16 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 16 10:58:00 2018. SIRT did something along those lines too, before the Gold MetroCard. They had conductors roaming on the train and collected your fare after you boarded. And you just exited at St. George if you were going to the ferry. And paid via turnstile going onto the train at St. George. They gave you paper receipts IIRC if you paid cash onboard. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 16 13:12:20 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by nasadowsk on Fri Nov 16 10:35:45 2018. There was a single door with a bus stile by the conductor.ROAR |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 16 14:33:57 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 15 16:37:38 2018. Which actually meant a fare reduction for Rockaway residents at the time who had been paying 60 and then 70 cents to get past there. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 16 14:35:00 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 16 14:33:57 2018. And to add:For several years afterwards, from 6:00 PM Saturday and on all Sundays and Holidays, the fare was actually cut to a quarter. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Nov 16 14:43:38 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 15 16:24:57 2018. This was the exact system used for the World's Fair Line - for the same reason, probably. Remember that the WF Line was actually a legally separate entity from the IND, and it had to at least TRY to pay most of it's cost back. One has to assume the same sort of thing happened here, the TA knowing it had to do much more than just put turnstiles up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 16 14:45:01 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Nov 16 14:43:38 2018. The difference being that the World’s Fair RR had just the one station and therefore there was no need to have tickets or any similar mechanism to avoid triple fares. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 16 18:48:58 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 16 10:58:00 2018. When I first rode Dyre in the mid 1950s, it was still a shuttle and used the old NYW&B Platform at E180. The train consist was 2 Deck roof Hi-Vs which replaced the Manhattan Gate cars that were the original equipment. At that time the shuttle did not operate during midnight hours and fare were collected on board the trains at all times by depositing fares in a manual bus farebox mounted to a bracket on one of the stanchions which was the way fares were originally collected at night on the Myrtle when the booths were closed. After thru service was established, certain differences were made in fare collections although I’m not sure of the exact chronology. I believe that once through service was established that booths were opened from about 600AM to 1000PM or so after which a shuttle operated till about 100AM or so when service ended for the night. Since there was a heavy discharge of passengers N/B fares were not collected in that direction but they were collected S/B. The C/R used the same manual bus fare box as before, but since there were no brackets for them, they were merely placed on a seat near the C/R position and the C/R keyed passengers on through the employee door. I din’t ride Dyre that often in the evenings, but it’s possible that even with full length trains arriving from the mainline, the same procedure was followed. Later on when newer bus exact fare boxes were introduced, a few of them were assigned to the Station Dept at E180 St and when N/B trains arrived at E180 St, station agents wheeled them onto the trains and since they were floor length, they were chained to one of the stanchions and remained on the train until the morning when the station agents removed them from the S/B trains at E180. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 16 18:49:51 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 16 13:12:20 2018. That’s about right. See my post for a slightly fuller description. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Nov 16 19:34:47 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Nov 16 14:43:38 2018. The IND World's Fair Railroad worked the same as the Rockaway Line. It was double fare. It required a nickel to be deposited in the turnstile to exit at Flushing Meadow and 2 nickels to enter at the Fair station. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 16 23:56:36 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 16 18:48:58 2018. All to avoid putting in turnstiles. Weird. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 17 02:53:32 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 16 23:56:36 2018. When the city first took over the Dyre Line it was though that it might be temporary and the NYW&B might be resurrected by some miracle so turnstiles weren’t installed at that point. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 17 06:01:12 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 16 18:48:58 2018. IIRC the fares on the Myrtle Ave. Line were collected by the C/R with a token fare register carried by the C/R on a leather strap as he walked through the car. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 17 10:27:47 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 16 23:56:36 2018. But the fareboxes were only used overnight. They did install turnstiles with thru service and the overnight collection that Randy describes lasted until the mid-90s with the implementation of OPTO. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Nov 18 13:32:35 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 16 14:35:00 2018. How did that work? The turnstiles certainly could not be switched to accept quarters on Sundays instead of tokens. Did they sell tokens for 25 cents (with a limit of 2) during the discount period? Was there some system where you got a round trip, rather than a one-way ride, for your 50 cent token? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 18 16:25:01 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Nov 18 13:32:35 2018. If you bought a token for full price, you also got a return trip ticket to use later in the day. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 18 17:18:07 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 17 10:27:47 2018. When Dyre first opened, fare were collected on the trains at all times when the Dyre shuttle operated not just overnight. It was that way in the mid 1950s. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 18 17:19:56 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 17 06:01:12 2018. At some point, I imagine the fares on Myrtle were deposited in manual bus fareboxes since the Qs had brackets on the stanchions for them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 18 17:47:41 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 18 17:18:07 2018. You already pointed that out. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 19 07:15:23 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 18 17:19:56 2018. It may have been on the Qs predecessor the BU gate cars. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 19 09:01:46 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by VictorM on Thu Nov 15 16:44:53 2018. If you just wanted to railfan you could simply crossover without paying anything, same as at other stations.I actually did this, during the mid-year regents in 1975. Went out to Far Rockaway on the A (previously, I had only been as far as Beach 60th (Straiton). Then back to Broad Channel, got the HH, and out to Rockaway Park. When I got to Rockaway Park, I had covered the entire system. Or so I thought. Years later, when I was living in Southern California, I realized that I had never been to 207th St on the A. D'OH. Since I was already on the A, I could have just ridden to 207th and been done. It took 31 years to accomplish this, of course by then I had to cover 63rd St and the E and J to Archer Av. The next time I am in NY, I will have to cover the SAS and 34/Hudson on the 7. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 19 15:00:02 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 19 07:15:23 2018. I saw the brackets on the Qs I worked. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 19 17:37:10 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 19 15:00:02 2018. That's good enough for me. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Nov 24 17:45:55 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 18 16:25:01 2018. I remember that:Otherwise, people would have been loading up on tokens between 6:00 PM Saturday and Midnight Sunday (and holidays when applicable). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 25 11:49:05 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 18 16:25:01 2018. LION already had a token, but him wanted ticket for return trip.Agent would not give me one, so I gave him my token and told him I wanted my money back. After I got my money back, a bought a new token and got the ticket. ROARING |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 25 11:55:29 2018, in response to Re: Extra fare charged: Out to the Rockaways, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 25 11:49:05 2018. Yeah, I remember having to do something equally dumb once. |
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