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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 14:31:12 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 28 13:13:35 2017. Of course on both points, however, this kind of a "tribute" in the mezzanines were not done in any other station done by Vickers, the tiles do match the color scheme of the rest of the main color scheme of the main part of the station, including the platform level, and the exact design (although color change to the scheme of Penn Station's color) was repeated at the 34th St/Penn Station station (and very possibly others) mezzanine/hallway also.Furthermore, when there was a tribute to some local building or scene, the whole theme of the station was in that motif, always including the platform level. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 14:36:47 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 10:01:03 2017. Yes, but they are NOT, or at least there is no concrete evidence of such anywhere aside from that article which adds circumstantial or coincidences in it, which can not be perceived as fact..The fact that that same exact design was repeated at Penn Station further takes away from the "it was for the owner of the NYT" argument. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 28 14:52:17 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 14:27:12 2017. About right now, this has reduced itself to pure silliness. You made your point, and so have others...and even with the back and forth debates...its really not going to change the minds of the masses.One group,like yourself, is going to stick to its guns concerning the " Liberal Agenda ",while the Other group is going to say You(and the Others) are sympathizers to the Rightwing cause...a cause thats tearing the Country apart. Who is right,who is wrong? Looking at history and recent headlines about your condoning bigot in charge...its no small wonder Why bias attacks are on the rise. If the President and SOME of those that serve as congressmen plainly state they are OKAY with bigotry...co signing madness...Then madness will be the definitive results. Like You said,its only an ILLUSION, right? Nothing to see here...keep it moving. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 15:15:57 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 28 14:52:17 2017. true. The point however are those that claim this was done as some "tribute to the Confederacy" because of a former owner of the New york Times. But that's hogwash, as the same Random design was also used at Penn Station it has been discovered (although with that station's color scheme instead). So that crap is all out the window.The point is, racists will be racists, and those that search out for manufactured racism will do so anyway. But it's okay to point out when they are being silly, just as it's okay to point out when someone actually is being racist. No need to manufacture where it doesn't exist. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 28 15:35:33 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 28 14:52:17 2017. This left wing vs right wing stuff is nonsense.There is an interesting question here: was this done as a tribute to Ochs, or not? There is evidence on both sides. You don't have to be a right winger to think this was just a variant of the usual style, and you don't have to be a left winger to think it was a tribute to Ochs. And any removal will be based on politics, not fact. The tiles will get removed or modified not based on whether they were or weren't a tribute to Ochs; they'll get removed based on whether someone thinks it's good politics to remove them, or not. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 28 16:01:49 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 28 15:35:33 2017. Exactly what I was referring to much earlier on.The Party system was CREATED to divide us as a whole. Sure,if it were Allowed to work the way it was supposed to, the perhaps we wouldn't be having this sort of thing. Folks are going to see evil where there isnt...and overlook it when its right in front of them. Whos to say What right or wrong? Common sense can. This whole business has become insane enough to draw even the most distant right to the forefront. Political posturing for the masses. Facts...the MTA has made a decision, and We have to live with it whether we want to or not. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 28 16:28:54 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 15:15:57 2017. I am only saying that there is evidence that this was done as a tribute. Not that it is conclusive. What is conclusive is that they look like Confederate battle flags, not that it was intentional.I am thinking that it is highly likely to have been intentional, but you make good points in the other direction. Of course, if it weren't common practice back in 1918 to glorify the Confederacy, this wouldn't even be a question. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 16:36:40 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 28 16:28:54 2017. I am only saying that there is evidence that this was done as a tribute. Not that it is conclusive.In fact, it's completely inconclusive. Was the Pennsylvania Railroad also a bunch pf confederates that the design was repeated (at the very least) at Penn Station's Mezzanine too? What is conclusive is that they look like Confederate battle flags, not that it was intentional. Yes, they do. But this then gets back into the "people see that in there where it isn't". But that was the whole point of the thread, that the MTA is removing/covering them because of some perceived idea that they are confederate flags, when they are not. I am thinking that it is highly likely to have been intentional, but you make good points in the other direction. The issue is that this sort of thing wasn't done anywhere else. Any theming of the stations were always very in your face, and not subliminal. Furthermore, the fact that the design was repeated at Penn Station, shows it's a geometric design they used at the time. Unless we are going to say that the Pennsylvania Railroad was also confederates. It may even be in other stations, but as mentioned, mezzanine/hallway tilework are harder to come by, as they aren't photographed often like platform level is. Of course, if it weren't common practice back in 1918 to glorify the Confederacy, this wouldn't even be a question. And again, any theming in any of the stations were highly in your face and prominent, and very obvious, at least at the time, as well as documented. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 16:38:20 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 28 16:01:49 2017. And that's not much different than what I said here:http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1448042 |
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Link Correction: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 16:39:14 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 28 16:01:49 2017. And that's not much different than what I said here: |
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Re: Link Correction: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 16:40:59 2017, in response to Link Correction: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 16:39:14 2017. Ugh, I mean here:http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1448044 |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 29 11:08:48 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 27 22:50:32 2017. That was true through. Being in the all white town of Atlanta.Remember, even Sharpton called for a strike against the Braves. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 29 13:46:48 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 29 11:08:48 2017. Now,you are definitely being stupid on purpose. |
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Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Aug 29 21:40:02 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 27 21:55:06 2017. It's not exactly the same, there is no border on the left and right sides of the X, only on the top and bottom. But it is quite similar. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 29 22:07:17 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 28 14:52:17 2017. Looking at history and recent headlines about your condoning bigot in chargeObama left office on 1/20/17. So there's no bigot in charge anymore. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 29 22:24:01 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 29 22:07:17 2017. That's just pathetic. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 29 22:50:02 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 29 22:07:17 2017. But YOU are still here.Why? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Aug 30 00:26:24 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 29 22:24:01 2017. But typical from him. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Aug 30 00:29:29 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 29 13:46:48 2017. Nothing new....he always is stupid. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Aug 30 11:40:03 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 29 13:46:48 2017.  |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 30 12:51:54 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Aug 30 11:40:03 2017. What YOU DONT have,Bitch! |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Aug 30 14:28:53 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 30 12:51:54 2017. Sit down and shut up, Bingo! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 30 16:42:05 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Aug 30 14:28:53 2017. Eat shit,and die from a bacterial infection,asshole. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Aug 30 16:48:44 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 30 16:42:05 2017. You just proved my point, Bingo. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 30 18:23:46 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Aug 30 16:48:44 2017. The Only "point" I proved,was the fact that you are a drone.A lame ass follower of everything wrong with society,a PROVEN bias yellow dog of a coward whos afraid to have a single independent thought out of fear of reprisal from the OTHER DRONES. The Fact that I say whats on my mind disturbs weak ass bitches like Yourself,who take pleasure picking on older women or those even more dronish than yourself. Yeah.. Ill be that bully,alright. You just cant fuck with me,thats all. |
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