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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 14:50:42 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:47:30 2017. What are you talking about? Whom is Jackowe conspiring with? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:50:46 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 09:09:06 2017. Not conclusive for sure. But what other station had any of it's decoration, small and subtle like this? Any time it was a reference to something, it was large and prominent throughoutthe station. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 14:51:48 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:38:10 2017. I never said you don't have evidence too. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Aug 26 14:53:10 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 03:26:06 2017. Come on, Al, you know better. This editorial is from 1860. We are talking about Ochs's stewardship of the Times. Ochs bought the Times in 1896. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:54:39 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by italianstallion on Sat Aug 26 14:29:20 2017. But times square is. The stYion was times square since 1904. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:58:03 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by italianstallion on Sat Aug 26 14:44:49 2017. Yes. But no other station had anything small like this, that meant anything, that wasn't the large in your face mosaics when t had a theme. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 15:00:12 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 14:50:42 2017. The conspirators are anyone attemti g to make these random toles mean anything. No station that had meaningful theme in the tiles had subtlety like this. They were always obvious, large mosaics or bas reliefs throughout the stations design. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 15:03:00 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 15:00:12 2017. You have not the slightest inkling of evidence that Jackowe conspired with anyone as opposed to thinking this up all on his own. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 15:46:51 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by italianstallion on Sat Aug 26 14:44:49 2017. No one has pointed to any of the writings of Squire Vickers, or statements attributes to him, or direct quotes from him about his influences and work on the Times Square station. As the designer and master architect of the subways, with the various documentaries and other works about him - you would think that somebody - somewhere would have written down and saved his thoughts on this station, as well as his thoughts on the other multiple subway stations he designed.Mike |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 16:27:05 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 15:46:51 2017. You are correct. Probably either he never said, or what he said has been lost.Based on what we do know, it's unreasonable to be very sure that Vickers was not commemorating Ochs, or that he was commemorating Ochs. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:37:50 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:43:06 2017. Many stations. Look at Chambers, Canal and Christopher on the same line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:41:30 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 13:12:03 2017. The 1904 and 1918 stations were designed by different artists using different types of art. The Flushing/Astoria station opened in 1927, almost a decade after the 7th Avenue line station above it.There doesn't need to be direct evidence. The evidence here of Ochs connection to the Confederacy and the obvious and uncanny resemblance to Battle Flags is enough evidence. What documentaries about Squire Vickers? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:43:27 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:44:20 2017. Who cares? Just because one mosaic "meant something" doesn't mean all of them had to. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:53:20 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 15:46:51 2017. Any such writings would conclusively prove this matter one way or another, but their absence does not at all imply that this wasn't the motivation for his design. Ignoring the overwhelming evidence just because it's not "conclusively proven" sounds just like climate change denialism and other forms of denialism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:56:07 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 26 15:03:00 2017. He just uses the term "conspiracy theory" here without thinking about what it really means. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Aug 26 18:19:01 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 14:54:39 2017. Times Sq. at 42 St. is not an X. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Aug 26 18:22:08 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:56:07 2017. Yes! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 21:10:11 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by italianstallion on Sat Aug 26 18:19:01 2017. So! The station is times square. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 21:35:19 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:37:50 2017. ??????Christopher St has a very prominent plaque mosaic design in the station of the 10th St penitentiary. No subliminal small mystery. And a local building. So fail.  Canal has a prominent large mosaic design of St John's Chapel on varick St, another local building. So fail.  Chambers, Kings College, now Columbia University. A local building yet again. And prominent in the design. 
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 21:39:21 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:43:27 2017. Which other stations had mosaics that meant something have small ones like this so subltly? All of the ones that had a non geometric theme to some thing had them very prominent, and large. prominent. Why would the designer only do these small non prominent mosics just at this station? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 22:23:11 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:41:30 2017. I refer to:http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IRT_Flushing_Line "Overview" "The Flushing Line (originally called the Woodside and Corona Line) was one of two lines of the NYC subway to have been operated jointly by two different divisions: the IRT and BMT. The line, built by the City of New York, began April 21st, 1917 with IRT trains running between 42nd St / Grand Central and Alburtis Avenue (now 103rd St.), and joint operation with the BMT began in 1923. The line reached Main St, Flushing, on January 21st, 1928. Elevated BMT rolling stock had to be used on this line because platform clearances were built to IRT specifications east of Queensborough Plaza, and the 67' BMT Standards, as a result, would not fit. BMT wooden cars and IRT steel cars terminated at the underground Main St terminal, but IRT 2nd Ave wooden cars terminated at Willets Point." "Even though subway service started in 1917, the portion of the line under the East River was originally started by the East River Tunnel Railroad on February 25th, 1885. The original intent of the line was to connect the LIRR and the New York Central railroads. Other than an engineering survey of the East River at the tunnel site, nothing else was done, and in 1887, the company reorganized as the New York and Long Island Railroad Company. The tunnel was planned to run from approximately West 42nd St & 10th Ave, under 42nd St and the East River, to Van Alst Avenue. The rest of the line in Queens would be on private right of way, and various mappings were planned and revised for this section of route." ------- I also checked my copy of Uptown/Downtown by Stan Fischler (1976), and the dates located on page 236-237 also check out with the same information. I should also note that there is not a single mention of Adolph S. Ochs, or his connection to the Confederacy, or any reference to that in the building or the tile work for the Times Square station. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 22:32:10 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 21:35:19 2017. Thank you for the pictures that you've added to this message.If you look closely at some of the pictures that I've referenced (most recent long message) you'll notice the pattern of "X" motifs along the walls of the current #1, #2 and #3 platforms. I've included several pictures that show these similar patterns. It would really be interesting if they could be shown side by side. I'm not that good at placing pictures within these messages. That's why I usually just include the web-page links. Thanks, Mike |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 23:04:23 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 21:35:19 2017. My point was that most people are not aware of what these buildings are.And in every single one of these Vickers uses a diamond pattern rather than a cross pattern. He also doesn't use red, white and blue. Why is 42nd Street the one with the Confederate design then? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 23:05:31 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 21:39:21 2017. Why would there have to be other stations?Of course such a tribute to Ochs would have to be subtle because it wasn't as important as a former local landmark. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 23:07:19 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 22:23:11 2017. No reference is made to the opening date of the Times Square station, so it's strange that you would consider this a source. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 13:38:02 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 23:05:31 2017. There is no other station where this was done. Why would it be done here? Any time any of the decoration in the station was done on a theme, it was done prominently, not hidden or subtley.Examples were given. You haven't shown one station where there was a subtle theme that wasn't a geometric design, and instead a subtle theme. And why I say this is that any station that had a specific theme, the designers were NOT subtle about it. As seen with any station with a specific theme (not every station has one of course). They were in your face, and large. If Vickers was really celebrating the confederacy, the mosaics would have been pretty specific and prominent. And large, like all the other stations with themes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 14:34:42 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 26 21:39:21 2017. In the hallways and mezzanines, all sorts of shapes were used, squares, diamonds, circles, 5 sided shapes, etc, and yes X's. Random geometric designs.Most people don't often photograph the mezzanines where shapes are more used, but here are some examples mostly not in mezzanines however. Here are squares at 125th St:  Or rectangles at 8th St:  Or 28th St, subtle random geometric design:  Or at atlantic ave in Brooklyn, this random design, not seen on platforms to my knowledge, but just a random geometric design too,. And these are in hallways and mezzanine, not on the platforms. Hallways and mezzanines often had these random small geometric designs.  These random designs are more often seen in the hallways and mezzaines than on the actual platforms, such as these at 45th St.  And even X's, although different than the ones at Times Square, also random geometric design in the mezzanine/hallway, these at Pacific St.  This is just a very small sample of mezzanine/hallway tiling, with random geometric design, the photos are harder to come by than the prominent themed larger mosaics on platforms. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 15:14:46 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 26 13:12:03 2017. Actually, looking at this post, and some of the photos, it's even clearer this is just a random design.The station platform tilework is in a RED White and Blue (as well as gold, green, and other colors) design. Look at the more elaborate tiles in the mosaic band along the platform: Notice the intricate design, as well as a more elaborate X design, which was often done on platform level.  Now notice the mezzanine or hallway where the RANDOM geometric X tile design in question is (to right, the left was a later addition). It follows the same X design, the same color scheme (along with gold, green, just like the platform level), and it also follows the X design in a smaller less prominent pattern, as was almost ALWAYS done in the mezzanines and hallways.  The mezzanine tilework follows the EXACT same color scheme as the elaborate platform level X design, and the same colors, just in a less elaborate smaller version, just as most other stations do. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 15:23:59 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 11:27:35 2017. It's not a friggen flag! It's a smaller less prominent, version of the EXACT design, with the EXACT same colors as the themed tiles on platform level!!Here are the platform tiles, the MAIN design at the station. It is an X, in a RED, white, blue, gold and green design.  Now look at the tiles the LEFTISTS are imagining are confederate flags. In the same red, white, blue, gold, and green design as the elaborate platform level tiles, except in a smaller design, as was almost ALWAYS done in the mezzanines and hallways at the time: Yes, the do "resemble" confederate flags, but they are not, nor were they intended to. And unless people are drawn to attention to it, most wouldn't even think so. This leftist obsession with them are as absurd as seeing "sex" in Essex St.... 
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 27 18:29:12 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 15:14:46 2017. I agree with you.The folks proposing some kind of tie-in are using a very slender reed to base their ideas. They over-look the actual evidence presented daily within the stations themselves. They over-look Squire Vickers works through-out the subways. They over-look the several documentaries - that I've already listed - about his work. They over-look the documentation of the existing art-work within the subways. All they can point to is a couple of articles on a Civil War History website, and then declare the opposing evidence to be "skippy." Then they move the "goal posts of logic" by demanding reams of "other information" because there is "NO EVIDENCE" directly supports the idea that the original subway tiles of the 1917 Times Square station is related to Ochs or the Confederacy. When they are asked to provide any evidence for their contentions - they just repeat the Civil War website articles - as if that ends all discussion. Absence of evidence is not the same as pretending something is true. Mike |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 27 20:11:10 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 15:14:46 2017. OMG, you're still throwing this tantrum? Seriously? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 27 20:21:54 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 24 06:55:20 2017. Exactly. But they just want to hold on to a string of hope, to cover up the absurd actions of the radical left that started this fake controversy out of tiles.What a hoot. You might give Olog some competition in this year's Projection Tournament. Honestly. The MTA announced it was going to do a bit of minor redecorating, of the sort they do quite often, and you proceeded to throw a screaming tantrum dedicated to hammering us with the following points: 1. The MTA's redecorating plan is INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE to GP Chris, the Most Special Snowflake Of All. 2. The MTA's redecorating plan is INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE to the political right which needs Confederate flags everywhere. 3. These tiles aren't technically Confederate flags, therefore it is EXTRA INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE that the MTA would dare remove them. 4. This INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE act of redecoration by the MTA must be fought tooth and nail by the political right. 5. But actually it's the left that's offended you swear trust you on this! Honestly, did you ever have any sense of self-awareness? Because throwing a tantrum over tiles is embarrassing. Shrieking that it's all the fault of the left because you imagined some liberals doing what you're doing right now is doubly embarrassing. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 27 20:28:57 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 22 02:38:10 2017. Yes, I'm well aware that the point has escaped you. Thanks for confirming. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 27 20:28:59 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 11:00:35 2017. Ah, afraid GP Chris might be a better projector than you? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 27 20:29:01 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 24 08:13:22 2017. You believe that literally all of existence except yourself belongs to "the left" and yet you think "the left" can be destroyed? Are you a solipsist? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 27 20:29:02 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 25 10:51:42 2017. No no, he just shrieks "LOL" whenever he gets owned. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 27 20:29:56 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 15:23:59 2017. An X with a diamond within it is not the same as an X that looks like a rebel flag. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 27 21:31:12 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 27 20:29:56 2017. Correct, but mat stations of that era also have a lesser design, in the same colors and smaller style in their mzzanines and halls, that match the bigger ones in their platform areas. Just like times square. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 27 21:50:17 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 27 15:23:59 2017. Actually, Penn Station has the same lesser design tiles, in it's mezzanine too, one station away, just in different color, matching of course the color scheme at that station, just like the ones at times square match the color scheme of their station. At penn station, the smaller mezzanine ones are a smaller matchingg version of the more prominen tiles ion the platform.Now I am 100% convenient it's random, and not Confederate.  
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 27 21:55:06 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 26 17:56:07 2017. So why does Penn station mezzanine, just one station away, have the same design as times square's mezzanine?They are lesser design mezzanine tiles identical to those in times square, except matching Penn Station's Cole scheme, just as the RANDOM geometric design at Times Square has the color scheme of that station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 27 22:50:32 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 27 21:55:06 2017. They're getting dumber than the girl complaining about the strike zone at Braves Stadium showing three Ks, last month. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 08:17:06 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 25 08:33:54 2017. Actually, another station has the same exact design in it's mezzanine/hallways! Except of course matching the color of that station, just like Times Square mezzanine/hallway tiles are in the main color scheme of that station. It's Penn Station. Same exact cross and triangle geometric RANDOM design, except in the main color scheme of Penn Station. There are probably more, but it's hard to find without looking, as the mezzanine/hallway minor tilework is not photographed as often as platform level.\
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 08:23:06 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 27 22:50:32 2017. Very similar. Yes, we unfortunately live in a society that is looking for racism. It's as absurd as the random geometric tiles in the mezzanine.Apparently the leftists who feel this way don't believe there is enough real racism, so they have to attempt to manufacture it. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 28 09:09:11 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 08:23:06 2017. Yes, we unfortunately live in a society that is looking for racism.There is nothing in Jackowe's article that suggested racism as a motivation for those tiles. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 10:01:03 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 28 09:09:11 2017. So then, why are they being removed? They are historic, and were there 100 years....and now all of a sudden they are a problem, because some leftists see something that isn't there in them?The same design was repeated at Penn Station's mezzanine, and I would bet other stations too, it's just hard to find photos of mezzanines which are rarely taken. I posted a photo of the EXACT design in the Penn Station Mezzanine, except with the main color scheme of that station, which is slightly different than the main color scheme at Times Square. And don't give me the "they were a tribute to the owner of the New York Times in 1918, as that's BS, as the same design is in Penn Station. Where the owners of the Pennsylvania Railraod also Confederates that they used the same design with slightly different colors (to conform with the color scheme of that station)? Please. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 10:05:32 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 27 20:29:56 2017. Correct, but just as Times Square had it's main design on platform level, and a smaller design in the mezzanine, so does Penn Station, which has a larger design on platform level, and the EXACT geometric design as Times Square in it's mezzanine. The only difference is the ones at Penn Station conform to the main color scheme of that station, while obviously the ones at Times Square conform to the main color scheme at that station |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Aug 28 10:55:55 2017, in response to Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 18 18:16:08 2017. Well, waiting for the 3 train last week at Atlantic Avenue, two guys noticed that the border design in the station resembles swastikas.New Lots bound platform..... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 28 13:11:20 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 10:01:03 2017. Let's assume, for the sake of argument that there is proof that those tiles were 100% intended to be battle flags. Would you consider it acceptable to remove them, or not? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 28 13:13:35 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Aug 28 10:55:55 2017. In this case though, there is no question that these swastikas are an innocuous design having nothing to do with Nazism. The difference is that in 1918 it was certainly possible that someone would have installed a respectful tribute to the Confederacy, something that is no longer acceptable. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 28 14:27:12 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 28 13:11:20 2017. Yes, but they are NOT, or at least there is no concrete evidence of such anywhere aside from. The fact that that same exact design was repeated at Penn Station further takes away from the "it was for the owner of the NYT" argument. |
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