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Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:13:39 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Sat May 18 07:00:18 2013. I'd prefer not to. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:18:19 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fred G on Sat May 18 09:17:11 2013. Yep ... merely pointing it out for those who believe in "accuracy" in "instant news." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:24:01 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 18 10:48:41 2013. Glad you weren't in it, bro ... sorry to hear about Helen. |
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Re: Metro-North directionals broken down....Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:25:23 2013, in response to Re: Metro-North directionals broken down....Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 18 10:52:05 2013. That's what you get for the railroad hiring up folks from Department of Subways to make those schedules. North/south ... HERESY I say, sir! :) |
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Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 18 16:34:36 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by CJ on Sat May 18 15:00:25 2013. Bu then the clones of 1963 went on for 40 years. |
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Re: NTSB press confrence - Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:37:46 2013, in response to NTSB press confrence - Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 18 11:59:41 2013. No fatalities. COOL! That's good to hear! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:41:35 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Avid Reader on Sat May 18 13:39:25 2013. As they learned along the Brighton a couple of years ago, them throwers can deal with 8 foot walls just fine and put the snow in your livingroom. |
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Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:46:53 2013, in response to Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 18 14:18:39 2013. And it looks like the post is intact behind all that scrap metal. I'm seriously impressed given the force of impact. Looks like a pretty solid design for the front after all that. Don't mind me, when you've worked up front, one tends to think about those things ... |
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Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 17:29:40 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Sat May 18 14:48:51 2013. Unless I'm seeing something wrong, all the M-8 stock is of the married pair variety, like the M-7 is, no? This unit would then have to be replaced with a 95xx one. Same for 9193, if it can't be repaired (although I think the damage there is chiefly cosmetic).wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 17:31:18 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 18 07:45:07 2013. Perhaps it can be re-manufactured; at least one third of the carbody on 9247 is damaged or destroyed. It would need a whole end. I wonder if those carbodies aren't monocoque like the R143s and R160s are.wayne |
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Re: M-8 damage car# 9193, 9247/9310, 9311 pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 17:35:02 2013, in response to Re: M-8 damage car# 9193, 9247/9310, 9311 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 18 10:53:25 2013. Not looking totaled, that pair (9310/11). Of course, the mechanics will have to have a look underneath, but the carbodies look to be OK.wayne |
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Re: M-8 damage car# 9193, 9247/9310, 9311 pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 18 17:43:18 2013, in response to Re: M-8 damage car# 9193, 9247/9310, 9311 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 17:35:02 2013. some of the body shells have some damage9247 is totaled. |
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Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Bill West on Sat May 18 17:59:29 2013, in response to Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:46:53 2013. For a pretty severe accident I'm glad that the injuries have been fortunately limited.Opinions: Gold's Sat May 18 14:15 picture "Heavy damage of 9193, 9247 on the right" -because 9247 was already derailed it would have been sitting lower. So 9193's cheek hit it in the window post. I think that might be the reason 9193's damage is surprisingly light. 9247 however reveals an old weakness, cars don't fare well in end on collisions if they are offset enough to miss the collision posts. The same hazard shows up in Europe too. Gold's Sat May 18 15:24 picture "NTSB is looking at it..." -the right rail upright with snapped joint bars and the tie plate bent up where the left rail was located sure make the next 50-100' forward look worthy of close investigation. This doesn't look like exactly where the wheels hit the ties however, no cuts on either side. And I wouldn't try to infer whether the wheels failed the rail or vice versa. Bill |
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Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 18:14:50 2013, in response to Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Bill West on Sat May 18 17:59:29 2013. The bend on the plate almost suggests a rail roll back a little further. The clean cut of the fishplate also suggests same. But not knowing the roadbed there, it's anybody's guess ...But still ... remarkable that it wasn't a whole lot worse. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 18:42:24 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 18 15:24:19 2013. That road is BROKE!-W- |
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Re: M-8 damage car# 9193, 9247/9310, 9311 pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 18:45:15 2013, in response to Re: M-8 damage car# 9193, 9247/9310, 9311 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 18 17:43:18 2013. Yes, that it is. And likely 9193 too.-w- |
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Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by CJ on Sat May 18 18:48:05 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Sat May 18 16:34:36 2013. Yep. I heard it was poor maintenance that caused the retirement of those 1950 built units, which isn't surprising since they were owned by Penn Central at the time. |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 18 18:55:42 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by AlM on Sat May 18 14:20:22 2013. Yuo're using surveyor's terms which don't mean anything to most of the people here (except FredG). |
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Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 18:58:05 2013, in response to Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:46:53 2013. Yes, the collision post is indeed intact, and it held up well; and all that fiberglas (and other cosmetic) damage can be patched up. Looks like 9193's issues are all underneath the car (truck, coupler, etc.).wayne |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 18 19:00:39 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 17:29:40 2013. The final 25 cars to be built will be cab-less, non-motorized trailers. |
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Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 19:05:53 2013, in response to Re: M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 18 18:58:05 2013. Oh I'm sure underneath is a total wreck. Trains really don't make good bulldozers. :) |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 18 19:18:05 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 18 13:17:29 2013. +1 |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 18 19:19:16 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fred G on Sat May 18 13:10:59 2013. I guess so!! lol |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 18 19:22:16 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 17 21:29:56 2013. The 9310/11 entered service barely a couple weeks ago. They still had the new car smell, floors still relatively clean, seats clean, the whole nine!! I had it in consist with one of my trains within this last week. |
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Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 18 19:45:43 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 18 03:06:15 2013. There are no wires over tracks 1 and 3 tho per current projects (no pun intended).your pal, Fred |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 18 20:03:48 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 18 10:59:34 2013. ...And who needs De-caf now??:) |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 20:17:51 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 18 20:03:48 2013. Somebody needs some espresso after getting stuck on the locals. :) |
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Re: Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 18 20:33:03 2013, in response to Re: Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 18 08:15:49 2013. One bad scenario here is the NTSB determines that there was a defect in the M-8 that caused the derailment. This will more than likely give a stay of execution to the M-2s on death row if that was to come to pass.That would be bad news. Those M-2s are tired. They did their time. But I think of the R-46s with the cracks in the trucks. To get that fixed & maintain some service, they had to ressurect some R-16s. When the M-1 had break in problems on the LIRR, that kept some MP-54s around & they were beyond tired. So there are precedents with new equiptment. Im sure there is some suit in the ivory tower speculating this scenerio. Just keeping in mind, until the jury comes back, everything is on the table. |
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Re: Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 18 20:48:48 2013, in response to Re: Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 17 21:31:05 2013. 3 still in hospital with critical injuries - one of which is life threatening. |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 18 21:15:59 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 20:17:51 2013. Looks like many New Haven folk will be getting a big serving ofBus-tello to get to work!:) (sorry!) |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 21:21:32 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 18 21:15:59 2013. Heh. I'm a glutton for pun-ishment! But man, that's some really shitty coffee. :) |
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Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat May 18 21:32:29 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 16:18:19 2013. It's really nothing new. The AP and UPI wires always had lots of corrections on breaking stories. The only difference it that raw reporting is now available to everyone. |
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Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 21:51:07 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by merrick1 on Sat May 18 21:32:29 2013. Yep ... but the problem is that most folks go with the uncooked story. Ah for the days of deadlines when all that could get fixed before handing it out. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 18 22:08:29 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 21:51:07 2013. NO DEAD LIONS HERE! |
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Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 22:30:09 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 18 22:08:29 2013.  C: I wish to complain about this lion you sold me. O: Oh? What's wrong with it? C: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it! O: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting. C: Look, matey, I know a dead lion when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now. O: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable lion, the Panthera Felidae, idn'it, ay? Beautiful coat! C: The coat don't enter into it. It's stone dead. O: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting! C: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Panthera! Mister Felidae! I've got a lovely fresh hamburger for you if you show...(owner hits the cage) O: There, he moved! C: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage! O: I never!! C: Yes, you did! O: I never, never did anything... C: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO KITTY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call! (Takes lion out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.) C: Now that's what I call a dead lion. O: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned! C: STUNNED?!? O: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Panthera Felidaes stun easily, major. C: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That lion is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged pacing up and down the rocks. O: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords. C: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home? O: The Panthera Felidae prefers kippin' on it's back! Remarkable cat, id'nit, squire? Lovely fur! C: Look, I took the liberty of examining that lion when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been standing in the first place was that it had been NAILED there. C: Mate, this lion wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised! O: No no! 'E's pining! C: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This lion is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the cage 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-LION!! (pause) O: Well, I'd better replace it, then. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat May 18 23:41:07 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 19:36:36 2013. Apart from the possibility of a collision occurring along a route, having track centers of 20+ feet makes it a hell of a lot easier to do maintenance without requiring a wayside restriction on the track remaining in service. Yet somehow having two or three tracks where once there were four tracks is always cited by foamers as being a prime example of railroad 'waste'. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 23:53:08 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by WillD on Sat May 18 23:41:07 2013. One of the reasons why the New York Central got around that in the Mohawk valley was left-hand running for pax on the southernmost pair and right hand running on the northernmost pair. That way the trains on the two center tracks were going in the same direction and if a load shifted on a freight (which happens FAR more often than what happened here) it would have at least been a low speed event.If what I heard about 75 MPH MAS there was what both trains were actually doing, that was a 150 MPH collision. AMAZING how many survived that. Shifting loads is very real on frieghts, so is ground-running. Knowing what real railroading is like, I'd prefer 30 please. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 19 07:57:18 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 18 23:53:08 2013. WE spoke of this months ago, and LION agrees. ('Cept in Subway Tunnels)ROAR |
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Re: Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 19 07:59:05 2013, in response to Re: Even More Interior wreck M-8 pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 18 20:33:03 2013. With the MP54, they deferred maintenance, like the TA did with 34 year old R-1's when the R38's were expected and were late, so non-rebuilt Standards from 1917 were brought in to the rescue. Dr Ronan also ordered a lot of rare, spare parts discarded around 1969. So the fleet collapsed en masse, regardless of whether the car was built in 1908, 1930, or got a rebuild in 1955. Some of the better ones in the 4100 and 4900 series could have run another 5 years.Now we have 22 year old M-6's and 40 year old M-2's getting scrapped concurrently. |
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Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sun May 19 09:08:37 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage, wrong spot to derail; Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 18 21:15:59 2013. There's an interlocking at Southport. I wonder if the NTSB will let them run service (electric or diesel) up there for Monday morning? And shuttle service between BRP and NHV.... |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 13:17:37 2013, in response to Metro North Incident, posted by Jsun21 on Fri May 17 18:35:31 2013. So, how well would these hold up under the same circumstances? Let me look around. |
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M-8 car #9193 damage nose (NTSB photo) Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 19 13:37:30 2013, in response to M-8 car #9193 damage nose (on the ground) & other pics Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Gold_12th on Sat May 18 14:15:59 2013. 9193 left, 9247 right
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 19 13:52:24 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 19 07:57:18 2013. Yep ... in those, there's enough steel to peel away a shifting train. :(Close friend of mine retired a couple of years ago from Amtrak, worked the Lake Shore. As a freight was passing his train going the other way, a load of pipe shifted and came right through his cab. Fortunately the pipe missed him by a few feet, but it was a nasty derailment. Broke his back. He was out for a couple of years and when he came back, he was never the same. :( |
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Re: Metro North Incident |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 19 14:10:44 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 13:17:37 2013. I don't think very well.The vestibule on the head car would have collapsed Roofs tended to part company with the sides. Just thinking of how LIRR MP54's, especially the weaker clerestory roof version, and PRR P70's held up in Woodbridge |
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Posted by CJ on Sun May 19 14:35:00 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 13:17:37 2013. Weren't these EMUs built by Osgood Bradley? If so, I'm not sure how Osgood Bradley built railcars did in a collision. I've seen damaged MP54s built by ACF along with P70 coaches. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 19 15:51:53 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by CJ on Sun May 19 14:35:00 2013. These are NOT Osgood Bradleys, which were made of AluminininumROAR |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun May 19 16:21:53 2013, in response to Re: Metro North Incident, posted by Joe V on Sun May 19 14:10:44 2013. To witness: LIRR MP54-A1's 1516 and 1523 (11/22/50).-w- |
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