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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Aug 1 15:34:44 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 10:54:57 2005. When I lived on 68th Ave I'd go down to Farmers oval on 65th pl and head twards the BMT ROW and from the street side watch the BMT standards head to Metropolitan Avemake that curve and being a bit below the rail head made for some great photos,no other train came even close to that feeling of power,I wish I kept those photos, also at the end of Farmers oval in the ball field was a steep slope heading down to the RRtracks accross from that tower, we used to dig rocks out from that sloped hill while watching the GG1'S fly by this was around 1957 or so. Karl |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 15:56:44 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by R32 on Mon Aug 1 14:06:26 2005. Yeah, it was funny when either I read or saw on tv interviews with people asking them what the MTA surplus should be used for and a lot of people said "lowering the fare" and one person said "lower the fare is a must." I mean WTF? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 1 16:21:40 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 15:56:44 2005.  The fare should go UP. Regularly.  Service and Equipment should be improved. The NYCTA should be the BEST, CLEANEST and FASTEST Subway in the World. |
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Posted by David on Mon Aug 1 17:06:39 2005, in response to Re: Broad St Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by R32 on Mon Aug 1 14:14:50 2005. A "put-in" is a train coming from storage to enter service.David |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:01:30 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by vengence on Sun Jul 31 01:50:27 2005. ''I've been there more than enough times to know that I royally hate that place' once or twice didn't do it??? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:04:44 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 31 12:07:05 2005. ''What really sucks is that you cannot park on the roof and shop on the lower level.' You can park on the roof, ride the escalator down to the ground floor, walk down the ramp to the metro mall, walk inside and SHOP. what's stopping you? Fear of walking? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:06:24 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 10:59:08 2005. 'I remember Cecil' and Beanie? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:11:10 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Aug 1 15:34:44 2005. where on 68 av, did you live?I'm on the same av |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Aug 2 00:47:57 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jul 31 13:16:41 2005. It goes from the street level to the roof--which is already connected by the escalator.When I was suggesting they build a connection DOWN; I was told that they couldn't cut throught the floors. Yet they did that to build going UP. go figure. Their loss, as I used to head straight over to Waldbaums every payday, but soon that went out of business, as did Pergament, and it took a few years for the new stores to move in, and by that time; I was shopping elsewhere. It was really dead down there for awhile, and that must have meant loss of money for the the landlords (Rentar). Now I'm sugesting a glass elevator on the outside of the back of the building, from near Burger King, to the roof, which would put it near the food court at the top of the driving ramp. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 01:31:12 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:04:44 2005. Probably walking back up the ramp from the Lower Level back to the street.Especially with shopping bags or a cart. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 01:34:31 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:06:24 2005. "A Bob Clampitt Cartoooooooooon! "My brother's name was based on Dishonest John. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 02:17:20 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 01:31:12 2005. been there, done thatbad legs and all |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 02:49:12 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 02:17:20 2005. So have I.Sometimes I need something else than hotdogs for lunch. |
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Posted by vengence on Tue Aug 2 03:03:30 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:01:30 2005. I only went there out of need....and wish otherwise everytime. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Aug 2 08:49:41 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:11:10 2005. In the apartment house on the cornor of 68 Ave & 63 St, 63 St dead ends to the station, there's a parking lot where my dad parked his car behind Jay Rose,I was able to get a few good photos of the Fresh Pond yard from the roof my parents were the superintendets there in the early 1950's to 69, what's that huge building near the Metropolitan Ave station ? saw it on the google satellite photo. Karl |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:13:39 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 00:11:10 2005. I used to know an elderly woman that lived on 68th Ave, but on the other side of Fresh Pond Rd. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:16:59 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 02:17:20 2005. I've done that many of times. You'd be surprised what I actually dragged up that stupid ramp from the lower level to street level.That being said, it's still the most ridiculous design I have ever seen. It's certainly doesn't make one stop shopping easy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:21:22 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Eric B on Tue Aug 2 00:47:57 2005. I can't believe they can't build some sort of way up and down inside from the street level stores to the lower level stores. But as you said, it's their loss.The real problem is that it does inhibit people from really using the place, it a very inconvenient dumb building. The truth is though that as designed, the building wasn't meant to have true retail on the lower level like it does now. It was basically supposed to be sort of industrial down there (warehouse-like) while the street level was to have stores, and then parking on the roof. The obsolesence came into effect when they made the lower level a true retail area, and then it really wasn't properly designed to connect with the street levell stores, or the roof parking. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 2 11:14:09 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:16:59 2005. it's just like life |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 11:40:08 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Eric B on Tue Aug 2 00:47:57 2005. Caldors died there. K-Mart came THIS close to dying. Wal-Mart wanted the space. They could have turned that dump into a profit making machine, but the city said "no". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 11:43:09 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 11:40:08 2005. Robert Hall left there because the chain died. TSS left there when the TSS chain died. Caldor died with the rest of the entire chain too. The entire K-Mart chain almost faced a similar fate. It seems whatever store goes in there dies (but not just at that location, all the locations).They could have turned that dump into a profit making machine, but the city said "no". Hmmm, interesting. Elaborate. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 11:47:22 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 11:43:09 2005. Wal-Mart wanted the space when Caldors announced it was closing the store in 1997. The anti-Wal-Mart machine jumped into action and they were denied. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 11:50:11 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 11:47:22 2005. Ah, I see, and "K-Mart Sucks" moved instead. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Aug 2 12:34:58 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Aug 2 08:49:41 2005. Is Metropolitan Avenue in Queens or in Brooklyn? Even as I kid I got confused about the border area in that section of the city. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 12:36:08 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Aug 2 12:34:58 2005. Both. It starts at Jamaica Ave in Richmond Hill and runs all the way to Williamsburgh. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 2 13:22:05 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 12:36:08 2005. And there is a Metropolitan Ave in the Bronx, from Hugh J. Grant Circle/Parkchester IRT station, cutting through the Parkchester apartment complex and ending at Castle Hill Ave, |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Aug 2 13:26:38 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 12:36:08 2005. I didn't know that Metro Avenue goes all the way to Virginia!j/k |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 13:48:40 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 2 13:22:05 2005. And a Broadway in every boro. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 13:49:16 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by American Pig on Tue Aug 2 13:26:38 2005. Yep, it cuts right through Springfield. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Aug 2 13:59:57 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 13:48:40 2005. Main Street too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 14:51:09 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by American Pig on Tue Aug 2 13:59:57 2005. Manhattan? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 2 14:52:56 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 14:51:09 2005. Main Street is in Roosevelt Island, which is part of Manhattan. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Aug 2 14:59:38 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:21:22 2005. I even suggested using Stairway G, (which goes up from right between Sam Goody and Conway (formerly Pergament), and comes up way in the back of the K-Mart/Caldor stock area. I was hoping that K-Mart would use that space for retail, and then it would be more feasible, but they kept it as it was. Likewise, Stairway H goes right from the middle of K-Mart down to the middle of Levitz. Anyway, the owners told me that the fire dept. wouldn't allow it because they only emergency exits. I've never seen the actual staircases, but if they had a big enough shaft (as some do), then perhaps a small cage type elevator could be put in the middle, while the actual stairs are still gated off. But they are probably narrow and don't have any such space.Yes, it was originally indistrial, and the retail was a later addition. When I first came to the area, Levitz wasn't there, and you had partially paved over tracks going up to the building in that area! There are vast sections of the building being used for other things, including a warehouse and police academy (when you see oll those cadets ont he train, that is where they are coming from/going). This is part of what makes it so hard to connect the two levels. The old rampalator (or whatever) and now the new escalators it was replaced with is so long, because there is an entire floor between the street level and the roof. Then all the space on the street level behind Toys R. us and directly above the lower mall, and the other two floors above that. (part of this is the docking area for both stores, but the rest of it is the academy; I believe). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 15:03:36 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 2 14:52:56 2005. I thought it was part of Queens. DOH! |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Aug 2 15:09:12 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 11:40:08 2005. Caldors died there. K-Mart came THIS close to dying. Wal-Mart wanted the space. They could have turned that dump into a profit making machine, but the city said "no".Only in New York ... My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Aug 2 20:10:33 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Aug 2 12:34:58 2005. I've herd it refered to as Ridgewood as well, I beleive it's Queens. Karl |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 2 20:28:37 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Aug 1 15:34:44 2005. Karl, it sounds like you witnessed the golden, if not silver age of railroading.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 21:57:34 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Eric B on Tue Aug 2 14:59:38 2005. Yes, it was originally indistrial, and the retail was a later addition. When I first came to the area, Levitz wasn't there, and you had partially paved over tracks going up to the building in that area!Yes, where Levitz is was once Macy's warehouse. I don't know if that was open to the public or not. The train used to actually go DIRECTLY into the building there. The tracks went up to a huge rollup door, and that would be opened to let the entire train into the building. I have seen photos of LIRR MP15's coming out of the building after dropping frieght cars into it. The building is HUGE. Like you said there is so much space. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Aug 3 01:56:16 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Aug 2 08:49:41 2005. That's the same building where Hal Smith livesJay Rose has closed Schumacher's Appliance is moving at the end of this year The building would be the Metro Mall, which is being mentioned in these threads I'm closer to 64 Pl |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 10:25:47 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Wed Aug 3 01:56:16 2005. Where is Schumachers moving to?I heard Jay Rose just closed this past year after all those years. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Aug 3 11:49:25 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 2 20:28:37 2005. Thanks, yea I beleive I did, I remember Hal Smith very well, he gave me some of his cartoons the ones he didn't need he submitted cartooms to rail modeler craftsman at one time, sad to hear those stores closing we got our first color tv at Schumachers,is Naganast hardware store still around ? bought my first models there, thanks. Karl |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 12:04:50 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Aug 3 11:49:25 2005. Nagangast is still there, and alive and well. It of course is also "half hobby shop".These photos were linked from a link within the recent forgotten-ny page on Ridgewood:http://www.forgotten-ny.com/NEIGHBORHOODS/ridgewood/ridgewood.html  Here's a display of some of their subway models from their front window: 
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Aug 3 15:16:10 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 12:04:50 2005. In the 1950's kids were being warned about the glue that was being used to build models well I never had any problems buying glue from Nagangast the owner, as he knew my parents very well and knew I wasn't into that sniffing glue thing, I knew his son but not his daughter as she was about six and I was about twelve as was his son, I just wish I had all those AMT cars I bought as I had about every model they came out with Mr Nagangast saw to that as soon as one was released he would save it for me what a great man he was, the drug store on Fresh Pond and 68 th with Bob the owner directly across from Nagangast and the old army and navy store with WW 2 rignition airplanes hanging from the store front ceilling, and the trolley car tracks poping up through the blacktop all over the place ahhhh the memories.... Karl |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Wed Aug 3 15:27:15 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 2 15:03:36 2005. Same here... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 15:53:09 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Fri Jul 29 02:29:31 2005. I remember this photo like it was yesterday. You had to leave the station area to the left while they were building the current stationhouse. You came out of the station sort of where the exit ramp for Metro mall was.This photo shows the brand new platform, but the canopy wasn't built yet: 
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Posted by vengence on Wed Aug 3 19:02:18 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 15:53:09 2005. I loved it when they ran on our lines...To me[back then] it was always a treat to see them operate on the eastern lines..where they rarely came. Even during the 80's when the 27/30 were being rebuilt...seeing them being used on the J/M/L lines was sort of a shock. You won't see them here now..but one can wish. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 22:09:59 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave[R32 On the M], posted by vengence on Wed Aug 3 19:02:18 2005. It's actually my first HS girlfriend that actually noticed the R32's....the insides all looked the same back then with grafitti, but believe it or not, she actually noticed the ribbed exterior of the R32 back then! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 3 22:16:27 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave[R32 On the M], posted by vengence on Wed Aug 3 19:02:18 2005. I only saw an R32 on the J once in my life, and that was in January 1989! They did run on the M briefly during the 9/11 reroute via Sea Beach. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Aug 4 01:04:54 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave[R32 On the M], posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 22:09:59 2005. was she accustomed to other things that were "ribbed"? |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Aug 4 01:15:10 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 3 10:25:47 2005. Myrtle, I thinkwill have to check their window |
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