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Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:36:24 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 18:59:52 2010. Lol, TheCiskoKid is a nobody begging for attention like the bitchass he is with nothing to contribute to this board except for dick-sucking the most popular side in a debate. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 19:45:29 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:32:50 2010. Because the extensive media coverage, and involvement of the Mexican government itself, makes it understandable that someone would say "Mexican". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 19:46:25 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:34:19 2010. complete racistFuck you scumbag. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:53:55 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 19:45:29 2010. Yes, but what I'm saying is that it's also not okay when the person was also aware that many non-Mexican Hispanic people are offended by being simply referred to as "Mexicans". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 19:55:13 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:53:55 2010. no reason to call me a racist though. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 20:02:49 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 19:55:13 2010. It's been made quite clear in the past that you have some personal agenda or grudge against Black and Hispanic people. Most recently in that "hate crime" thread. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:08:01 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 15:05:52 2010. The purpose is to add extra punishment because of why the crime was committed, not because of the crime itself. We should punish the crime, not the "why".It is well known that the most common hate crimes are simple assaults used to instill fear in the targeted group. In the criminal justice system, simple assaults usually get no more than a slap on the wrist with some probation, etc. That is not sufficient to deter what amounts to terroristic intimidation of the targeted groups. That's why hate crime laws are necessary. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 20:10:24 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 20:02:49 2010. You're too sensitive. I also have a grudge against the government stealing from the children of the deceased.What have I said about Hispanics that you don't like? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:16:41 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 18 14:28:38 2010. Adding sentences for INTENT of ANY crime is long standing practice of every justice system in the world including ours.A person who kills with the intent to enrich himself gets more time than somebody who kills in a fit of rage. Somebody who steals with the intent of splurging on fancy clothes gets more time than somebody who steals to feed his child. Similiarly somebody who assaults with the intent of terrorizing a person of a religion he hates get more time than somebody who assaults somebody because they got in a heated argument. It's one of those "nothing to see here" things. Nobody is criminalizing beliefs anymore than they are criminalizing the freedom to become rich or the liberty to buy fancy clothes. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 20:20:56 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:08:01 2010. I can agree with that in certain limited instances. Burning a cross on someones lawn is worse than littering and trespassing. Breaking into a synagogue and trashing it with antisemitic graffiti is worse than regular graffiti and trespassing. Those are attempts at intimidation and are premeditated. But when it comes to adding a hate crime charge on top of assault because one or more people yelled racial epithets during a fight or attack is going too far. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 20:23:49 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:16:41 2010. Can you cite the laws that cover stealing to feed your children? And the penalty for killing to enrich yourself probably has more to do with premeditation than anything else. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:52:11 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 18:53:27 2010. The "bad crowd" you mention are people who don't agree with you politically.There are many people here who I don't agree with politically. That doesn't make them bad. The bad crowd are the psychopaths, racists and douchebags. We all know who they are and so do you. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:55:00 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:36:24 2010. Lol, TheCiskoKid is a nobody begging for attention like the bitchass he is with nothing to contribute to this board except for dick-sucking the most popular side in a debate.HAHA!! That's why I call them out on their bullshit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 18 21:06:52 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 20:20:56 2010. I agree completely. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 21:26:27 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 20:20:56 2010. So under what circumstances would you add the racial/religious, etc aggravating factor to something like simple assault or vandalism?What would be those limited instances where you would demand that the aggravating factor be invoked? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 21:27:35 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 17:52:55 2010. Why, you little mother fucker? Because he doesn't agree with you? Stop being a bitch. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 21:34:28 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 21:26:27 2010. Probably just in the examples that I gave or something similar. But I wouldn't use "demand". In general I'd rather have no hate crime laws at all. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 18 21:38:53 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:36:24 2010. What is it with your obsession? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 21:42:11 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 07:43:40 2010. Ah, so unless we all look like light skinned black people with caucasion facial features we'll never get along??? Interesting? Maybe Adolph was right when he tried to create the Aryan Super-race. Hmmmmm, bet you were rooting for Dr. Mengele in "The Boys From Brazil"...... You are one sick puppy and a digrace to the uniform you claim to have worn. You sicken me. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 21:45:36 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:52:11 2010. Yes, you, osmosisisis, edwards, and streetcarmama1. Douche bags one and all. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 21:46:21 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 21:45:36 2010. Hmmmmm....I used to be on that list. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 21:49:49 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 19:53:55 2010. No one disagrees with that! But even Newsday acknowledges that the vast majority of the day laborers in Farmingville are Mexican. And there's nothing wrong with being Mexican. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 21:51:32 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 21:46:21 2010. Another list? :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 18 21:54:01 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 20:16:41 2010. Adding sentences for INTENT of ANY crime is long standing practice of every justice system in the world including ours.The distinction is premeditation. It's OK to make a distinction between a person who planned a murder and someone who killed in a fit of rage. It shouldn't matter WHY a person chose to kill. Somebody who steals with the intent of splurging on fancy clothes gets more time than somebody who steals to feed his child. Not officially. There is no such law on the books. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 21:55:58 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 18 21:54:01 2010. Not officially. There is no such law on the books.Look no further than 3 strikes. The sentence is mandatory and there is no judicial discretion. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:00:06 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 20:10:24 2010. What have I said about Hispanics that you don't like?You said in the past that you don't like it when Black and Hispanic people move into formerly mostly-white neighborhoods since the quality of life in those areas will automatically go down in that Brentwood thread. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 22:01:36 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 21:45:36 2010. Yes, you, osmosisisis, edwards, and streetcarmama1.It's interesting that you mentioned the very people that got you cockroaches out of your crevices and into the open to be squashed. 
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:02:26 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 18 21:38:53 2010. Why aren't you ignoring my "mental defectiveness" still? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 22:10:14 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 21:34:28 2010. ok |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:11:23 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 21:49:49 2010. But even Newsday acknowledges that the vast majority of the day laborers in Farmingville are Mexican.Excuses. How does this prove your assertion of everyone photographed being "Mexican"? And there's nothing wrong with being Mexican. No, there isn't, for the billionth time... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 22:16:22 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 21:42:11 2010. Ah, so unless we all look like light skinned black people with caucasion facial features we'll never get along???It's interesting that you see them as light-skinned black people instead of dark-skinned white people. Explain why that is? Interesting? Maybe Adolph was right when he tried to create the Aryan Super-race. Hmmmmm, bet you were rooting for Dr. Mengele in "The Boys From Brazil"...... Hey moron, what I propose is the OPPOSITE of what Hitler wanted. It would have him and everybody like him in a fit. So why are you in a fit? Are you some sort of idiot? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 22:18:55 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 20:20:56 2010. Great post. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:20:15 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 21:45:36 2010. This is hilarious coming from one of the most irrational nutcase scumbags on this board. Learn to debate without going all wacko and pathetically trying to insult those who disagree with you, then come back with your petty, meaningless bullshit lists. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 22:22:10 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:11:23 2010. it's not an "excuse" the vast majority of them are Mexicans, and there's nothing wrong with them being Mexicans. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 22:22:38 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 18 21:54:01 2010. The distinction is premeditation. It's OK to make a distinction between a person who planned a murder and someone who killed in a fit of rage.A prosecutor has to prove the intent behind the premeditation. It's not like it's because "he says so". Same with hate crimes. If he/she can't prove that the intent behind the assault or vandalism was motivated by the premeditated intent to terrorize the targeted group, there will be no sentence added. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 18 22:23:21 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 22:16:22 2010. Don't parse my words you low life bigot. By the way - asshole, Hitler was not blond haired you racist mother |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:28:14 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 22:22:10 2010. Lol, that still doesn't prove your assertion that all of the people photographed were in fact Mexicans. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 22:31:41 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 21:46:21 2010. You're itching to be on a List. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 22:33:07 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 21:49:49 2010. Even the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT got involved, so you're right in using the term Mexican. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:39:56 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 22:33:07 2010. That makes sense. How do you come up with these conclusions? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 22:43:22 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:39:56 2010. It was very clear in the Newsday article about Farmingville. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Jul 18 22:44:29 2010, in response to Re: BITCHASSNESS Jones Ignores VIOLENT Hate Crime, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 04:13:40 2010. No....just find out who these punks are and get them the hell off the street.I wouldn't care if someone blew'em away next time they pull thier shit nor do I care about the color of the people involved. I just see fucking punks who need to be stopped. Period.FULL STOP Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 22:46:02 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 22:43:22 2010. Right. The involvement of the Mexican government and OVERWHELMING media attention naming "Mexican day laborers" in particular, makes it understandable that one would think all or most in the photos are Mexicans. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 22:50:59 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 22:43:22 2010. Nope, it did not prove everyone in those photographs to be Mexican. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 23:09:49 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 18 22:43:22 2010. all that proves is that the Mexican consular authorities are standing up for those laborers who happen to be Mexican, not for ALL of them.of course all of them whether Guatemalan or Salvadoran benefit from the Mexican govt's intervention by extension. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 23:17:57 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 18 23:09:49 2010. Yes and when Chris wrote "Mexicans" he could just as easily been referring to the Mexicans, not all of them. Both Chris and Mexico know that the large majority of them are probably Mexican. I guess anyway. I've never been there. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 23:21:41 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 23:17:57 2010. Chris certainly wasn't trying to insult anyone.And to be honest, who would want to go to any 7-11 with large groups of males hanging out regardless of complexion? I'm sure a bunch of white guys with long hair, leather vests, and motorcycles would drive business away too. Or young Jersey Shore looking guys as well. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 23:26:13 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 18 23:21:41 2010. There were over a dozen Hispanic Emo kids hanging out at my local 7-Eleven last night. Maybe 15 or more. Never saw that before. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 23:28:59 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 23:17:57 2010. Yes and when Chris wrote "Mexicans" he could just as easily been referring to the Mexicans, not all of them.That's true, but he said that he wasn't. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 18 23:39:06 2010, in response to Re:NO BITCHASSNESS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 18 23:28:59 2010. I think that both of you are very stubborn. Why not just let it go? |
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