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Posted by soton si on Mon Aug 27 13:08:19 2007, in response to Re: nonsense about atheism, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Aug 27 10:15:34 2007. "Correct. As a public servant your responsibility is to serve the public. If, as a judge, you decide cases based on your personal religious belief then you might as well be in Saudi Arabia or running around with the Taliban, because that's what they do. It's not what democracies do."last time I checked, the Taliban were democratically elected, as are the current lot out there, who tried to execute a man for converting from Islam (who applied for asylum to several countries in the EU, and many people petitioned those democratically elected governments to let him in, and the democratically elected governments of those countries, save Italy, ignored the requests). So there's several democracies that either allow cases to be judged on the personal religious belief of the judge, or condoning such a thing. As a public servant, you are to serve the public - if the public want you to use your religious views to judge crimes or to teach children, then you can, surely? In Kansas, didn't evolution get banned from being taught because of the public's will to have it banned, but then it got unbanned as the ban was unconstitutional? Surely serving the people, in a democracy is to follow their will. If a class full of children wanted to learn Biblical Theology, then surely they should be allowed to. Likewise if a class of children wanted the teacher to lead them in prayer at the beginning of the day, surely they should be allowed to. That they can't isn't democracy, but oppression. Democracy is "what the majority says goes". It's Mob Rule, but a bit more structured. "As I said before, there is a time and place for it." And the time and the place to learn about the most important questions in the universe - Is there a creator, and if so, has he spoken to us, and if so, what does he say? is surely while you are being educated, which last time I checked, happened to be at school! ""As for proof, look up the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ - the evidence is fairly conclusive that he did - definitely beyond reasonable doubt" False statement. There is no scientific or physical proof. There is a religious belief that he did so, and you are entitled to it." I have said that the historicity of Jesus rising from the dead is beyond reasonable doubt, you say "False statement. There is no scientific or physical proof." I never said there was - I said that there was historical proof - if you want, I could write a nice long thesis on here on the subject. I won't now, because I think you'd dogmatically reject it, on faith grounds. You seem to trust in the unproven (and hypocritical) statement that everything must be proven by science and physical things to be true. "Jews do not believe it, nor do Muslims." you are now asserting that if other religions don't believe it, then it can't be true. That's like me saying that, as several people in this thread do not believe that God used evolution, that evolution didn't happen. It's a nonsense statement that has no relevance to the question at hand. If I said I didn't believe the world was spherical, but was actually flat, would that mean that it isn't? Would it matter if I also had geography and cosmology degrees and still said that, would it mean that the world wasn't round. (OK, I know it's slightly off being a perfect sphere) "The resurrection is the core of Chistian mythology, just as Moses' receiving the 10 commandments from God is core to the Jewish mythology." no, the resurrection is core to the Christian religion, just as receiving the 10 commandments from God is core to the Jewish religion (and an important part of Christianity). You are using the loaded word "mythology" to 'beg the question' as to whether it's true. You are also asserting without any reference to their being any evidence to back up your claim - a case of 'I say, therefore it is!' I do hope you aren't a scientist! "Your statement communicates the arrogance and tyranny that Christian supremacists convey to "non-believers." "Also it is possible to prove there is a God," False statement. It is possible to believe in one, but not to prove its existence. Anything relying on faith and circular reasoning necessarily falls into this category." Your statement communicates the arrogance and tyranny that agnositic supremacists convey to "non-believers". You are saying "as I don't know, no one can ever know" so everyone should be agnostic! It possible to prove there is a God - it's just not a scientific proof (but no less valid) - if he exists, then you can meet him and he can give us a message. We cannot scientifically prove that aliens exist, until we meet them. When we meet an alien, or hear a message from one, we have evidence that they exist. Likewise with God. Also the evidence of God working in his creation, that the rules of the universe can be broken by the rule maker (it's funny how the existence of rules seem to rule out the existence of a rule maker in some people's book). The best evidence of that is the resurrection of Jesus. |
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