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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Aug 27 10:15:34 2007, in response to Re: nonsense about atheism, posted by soton si on Mon Aug 27 08:49:18 2007. "Probably only about 10% of CofE churches hold to the 39 articles that form it's beliefs, and about 50% of them still just go through the motions, rather than engaging with their beliefs."So it doesn't serve part of the congregation well. Those dissatisfied will vote with their feet and find something else. "Funnily enough the ones that believe and live out those 39 articles are the places where the church is still strong and growing, however the Church and State try their best to silence them and ignore them." Maybe it's the other way around. "CofE is the offical religion, but definitely not the de facto one," It's not supposed to be. "Yet that ban on looking at religion, examining the evidence for and against is causing the proselytizing of people to a religion, namely that of atheism" False. Just the opposite. It is that ban which empowers everyone to examine religion to his/her personal content, without interference from the State. However, the bigots and religious supremacists who believe that "democracy" means the freedom to impose "their" religion, and lack the social skills to get along with people who do not believe as they do, feel threatened by democracy. Perhaps you are in that group. It sounds like it. "You just can't openly act on those beliefs if you are a public servant, like a judge or a teacher." Correct. As a public servant your responsibility is to serve the public. If, as a judge, you decide cases based on your personal religious belief then you might as well be in Saudi Arabia or running around with the Taliban, because that's what they do. It's not what democracies do. "Anyway, surely the ban on studying God and religion in schools" What ban? Schools offer comparative religion courses. You're free to take them. You can then take philosophy courses to examine the interplay of religious ideas and philosophical ideas. "They know otherwise, but they are still treated as if their views don't matter" False. They are taught that there is a time and place for everything, and that organized prayer of one denomination sanctioned by tax-supported public schools is disrespectful of other people's beliefs, who also attend the schools. The last time I checked, there were no courses in schools which demanded a belief in atheism. Not evebn science classes. "However, public schools, by their sidestepping of the whole issue accidentally imply that there isn't. " False. As I said before, there is a time and place for it. "As for proof, look up the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ - the evidence is fairly conclusive that he did - definitely beyond reasonable doubt" False statement. There is no scientific or physical proof. There is a religious belief that he did so, and you are entitled to it. Jews do not believe it, nor do Muslims. The resurrection is the core of Chistian mythology, just as Moses' receiving the 10 commandments from God is core to the Jewish mythology. You are confusing belief in god with belief in a Christian God and belief in Jesus. Your statement communicates the arrogance and tyranny that Christian supremacists convey to "non-believers." "Also it is possible to prove there is a God," False statement. It is possible to believe in one, but not to prove its existence. Anything relying on faith and circular reasoning necessarily falls into this category. |
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