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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 26 23:04:59 2014, in response to B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 26 22:14:00 2014. You wonder how many times this punk was let go and nearly murdered a rookie cop. He is the main reason why persistent fare beaters should be arrested. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Feb 26 23:21:14 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 26 23:04:59 2014. It's a classic example of the Broken Windows theory. Someone like him who thinks nothing of shooting at police officers is not likely to follow other rules of society like paying a fare when boarding a transit vehicle. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Feb 26 23:23:37 2014, in response to B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 26 22:14:00 2014. Best wishes to Patrolman Li for a speedy recovery. New York City is a little bit safer tonight thanks to his bravery. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:07:52 2014, in response to B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 26 22:14:00 2014. The B46? Oh shit. Edwards! posted about that line last year and it came up as a topic several times.Now a cop gets shot by a fare beater on that line? |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Feb 27 13:18:26 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:07:52 2014. And right by the White Castle, a notoriously bad area by Empire Blvd and Remsen Ave. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Feb 27 13:19:25 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Feb 26 23:21:14 2014. And this punk could have killed a mother/father/child walking down Utica Ave or Empire Blvd by a stray bullet. |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Feb 27 15:42:33 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 26 23:04:59 2014. By by loser i hope you rot in jail |
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Posted by busdude2 on Thu Feb 27 16:26:32 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 26 23:04:59 2014. I hope he becomes the wife of a big guy named bubba in jail. |
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Posted by Jimbo Kalin on Thu Feb 27 16:33:34 2014, in response to B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 26 22:14:00 2014. Shooter was just plain stupid. Had he entered thru the front door and paid the fare, no one would know he was armed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 16:39:55 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Jimbo Kalin on Thu Feb 27 16:33:34 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Thu Feb 27 17:49:05 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:07:52 2014. My old stomping grounds.... The B46 and the B14 were the bus that I used the most in the area....Just today I watched the Robert Ray incident, brought back more memories..... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 02:49:07 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 26 23:04:59 2014. i say they should be taken off the bus..arrested and be made to pay a 200 dollar fine.oh..that reminds me..my wife was reimbursed her funds..cleared from getting that ticket.. they[MTA] Found "faulty MVM/METROCARD INTERFACE"...meaning the SBS mvm removed the coding from her card,rendered it invalid..no ticket no money no nothing. sent her a new monthly. that was cool...she even said she changed her mind about riding again! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 28 03:15:19 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Thu Feb 27 17:49:05 2014. Are you now living in Southeast Queens? For some reason I think you mentioned that area. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 28 08:51:01 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 02:49:07 2014. Haha, she's just as reactionary as you, it seems. |
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Posted by The Logic on Fri Feb 28 13:32:50 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 02:49:07 2014. Good to hear.We still need to fight tooth-and-nail for mass transit to not present such inconveniences to its users, or at least for mass transit to present fewer such inconveniences to its users. "Our current transit (and city) planning is done by people who will not use public transit [for anything]." "The few people who make decisions and control elections drive cars and therefore refuse to build useful public transportation for the rest of us." "This is why I strongly believe that elected officials who do not use mass transit on a regular basis and use personal automobiles for 'reasons' that are not real reasons at all should not be in office in large cities like this one." First two quotes from www.carsstink.org. First quote is paraphrased a bit. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 21:13:50 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by The Logic on Fri Feb 28 13:32:50 2014. agreed.NYC current mayor has grand ideas..but as far as the state is concerned..he has about as much pull with the MTA as the use of the TWO DOLLAR BILL. For some insane reason..to get anything done in NYC as far as transit is concerned is akin to pulling teeth..everyone wants it done..BUT can't take the pain. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 21:15:27 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Feb 27 13:18:26 2014. yup..i use to eat there back in the day..but Now..forget about it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 21:16:33 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Jimbo Kalin on Thu Feb 27 16:33:34 2014. he was more than stupid..he was a damned felon. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 21:21:12 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 28 08:51:01 2014. well..whatever.She's been reimbursed..cleared after unjustly being issue a fine.thats what matters to her.. Also..even if she was "as reactionary as me",That would STILL make her better than you. |
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Posted by The Logic on Fri Feb 28 22:57:53 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 21:13:50 2014. When you mentioned "some insane reason," the first thing that came to my mind was the relationship between human nature and private automobile use, for which which too many people seem to find too many 'reasons.'It is very easy to see the connection if one recognizes the "insanity" of human nature. As Mother Teresa once said, "People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway." The "forgive them anyway" part may not be relevant to this discussion, though. Not because they should not be forgiven, but because forgiveness is probably not really relevant to implementing mass transit improvements. As we have seen with the 125th Street SBS project, no one can "take the pain" because so many of them seem to find private automobiles so "useful" that we have these situations where nobody wants to give up any of those precious street parking spaces to give [surface] mass transit more of an edge, and double parking on streets where buses run is tolerated far too much. So much for democracy, which "cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely," as FDR once said. The hugest problem is that society and culture make far too many accommodations and have created far too many 'reasons' for the use of private automobiles at the expense of mass transit (and bicycles; private automobiles being operated by operators who are often not careful or patient enough on the road present the biggest danger to cyclists and decrease the viability of bicycle use for many people). |
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Posted by The Logic on Fri Feb 28 23:06:49 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by The Logic on Fri Feb 28 22:57:53 2014. ...and once so many people have those accommodations for private auto use and believe in all of these 'reasons' for private auto use, good luck trying to eliminate some of those accommodations or 'reasons,' even if it is for the benefit of the majority!Unless someone shows that a lot of situations can be reasonably de-private automobiled and enough others recognize how unnecessary and detrimental to society private automobiles are, and follow suit by reasonably de-private automobiling many of their own situations. Also I am still thinking about having streetcars replace buses in NYC; the thought is not dead yet. (Although there are many, many factors to consider.) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 28 23:11:37 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 26 23:04:59 2014. The current NYPD commissioner's thinking is just like that...he believes that those who beat the fare graduate on to other crimes. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 28 23:13:12 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 21:16:33 2014. And he knew that he had a warrant for his arrest on an unrelated charge, which is why he was determined to get away. He didn't count on witnesses pointing the way for responding officers. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 23:57:01 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by The Logic on Fri Feb 28 23:06:49 2014. 42nd st would have served as a great venue for an experiment in light rail tech.redistributing 42nd st heavy traffic to other avenues..while enhancing its pedestrian capabilities would have made it a friendlier place..and provide quicker crosstown access for former bus riders. yeah..i know..the logistics concerning the various business ventures is partially the reason it was killed "in committee"..yet the current SBS program,which is factually similar to "lightrail/streetcar" operation has been pushed through with much less resistance..most of which comes from the DOT/MTA partnership. Why? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 1 01:07:52 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by The Logic on Fri Feb 28 22:57:53 2014. As we have seen with the 125th Street SBS project, no one can "take the pain" because so many of them seem to find private automobiles so "useful" that we have these situations where nobody wants to give up any of those precious street parking spaces to give [surface] mass transit more of an edge, and double parking on streets where buses run is tolerated far too much.You assume too much. For starters, what makes you think the community board in Harlem and the residents are on the same page? There are many community boards with "busybodies" on them. Apparently, Harlem has a high concentration of them and they are trying to shape the place into the Upper Upper East Side. THIS is what you are seeing. Your jihad on cars completely misses the point here. Identify the problem and then you can propose a solution. So much for democracy, which "cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely," as FDR once said. The nation continues to be a republic and republics by definition care about why the dissenters do not agree. It is better than mob rule. |
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Posted by The Logic on Sat Mar 1 01:49:47 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 1 01:07:52 2014. I think there are several things you did not explain clearly enough for me to debate appropriately. No offense.You seem to be quite hung up on this belief that improving or attempting to improve surface mass transit in this city is automatically tied to changing the character of a neighborhood (you made a statement to this effect at the beginning of our previous marathon debate); I am not sure how many people agree with you on that. I also wonder what "changing the character of a neighborhood" means to you. I should just make it clear that making neighborhoods unfairly unaffordable is not something I agree with. (I am aware of the business with the shrinking middle class.) However, I do not think that this should be used as a reason to not improve the speed of surface mass transit [to the extent that passengers save significant amounts of travel time and use of non-private auto modes, such as buses, trams, and bicycles increases while private auto use either decrease or remains the same]. Furthermore, if you are implying that this is where the problem lies, it is probably all the more reason to show people that many situations can be reasonably de-private automobiled so that they either no longer or never have to worry about the expense of owning or using a private automobile and might be able to put their money to use in other ways. This could be one way to decrease socioeconomic inequality, if decreasing income inequality is important to you (not too much, since we do not want a communistic society).. |
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Posted by The Logic on Sat Mar 1 02:14:36 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 23:57:01 2014. Because most programs to improve surface mass transit in NYC have been watered down to appease those who oppose anything more effective for transit users than the SBS that DOT and MTA implement. What are you going to do.Again, I have certain standards for travel times on the B44 SBS (posted in January; I hope you saw them) that I do not think would be attainable unless all parking were strategically removed from its corridor between Flatbush Ave and Flushing Ave, or at least a lot of parking were strategically removed (from the problem areas, like Lenox Road to Church Ave, Atlantic Ave to E Pkwy, the Newkirk Ave area, and the HSBC block of Nostrand). I think that if much or all parking for private autos (commercial vehicles ok) were removed from the Flushing Ave-Flatbush Ave section of the B44 SBS corridor, the B44 SBS would be much faster than it is now and MTA would have no problem publishing schedules with much leaner running times (like those I proposed, which would result in an average speed of 11.28 mph on the Flushing-Ave "H" section) than the excessive garbage that is currently printed on the B44 SBS schedules (which dictate a measly average speed of 7 to 9 mph most of the time). MTA publishes these schedules with measly running times now because MTA knows that an offset bus lane is nothing but paint on asphalt, and as long as there is a legal parking lane for private automobiles next to it and law enforcement is nearly useless, there will be double parking that delays bus service by causing buses to slow down to circumvent double-parked vehicles and miss green signals on some section of that bus lane EVERY SINGLE DAY. But, once again, nobody wants to give up those [legal] street parking spaces for anything. After everything I have experienced, witnessed, and observed with respect to these issues over the course of my existence, for me to own or use a personal automobile of my own would probably be about as unfitting as...well, I cannot think of any great examples at the moment. Doing that parking removal thing with the B44 SBS would probably solve the speed issues in such a way that trams probably would not be needed to significantly solve any speed issues; I mainly support trams because they offer more interior room (for cargo or passengers) than buses, provide better ride quality (smoother braking and acceleration, no potholes to worry about), and do not necessarily require operators to sit while operating like automobiles do. I have many other reasons for supporting the idea of trams replacing buses, but I cannot list all of them at the moment, so moving right along.. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 1 11:38:38 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by The Logic on Sat Mar 1 01:49:47 2014. You seem to be quite hung up on this belief that improving or attempting to improve surface mass transit in this city is automatically tied to changing the character of a neighborhood (you made a statement to this effect at the beginning of our previous marathon debate); I am not sure how many people agree with you on that. I also wonder what "changing the character of a neighborhood" means to you.I use a much thinner brush than that. In Harlem, the majority of the people (even car owners) would have no problem with a full length bus lane on 125 Street. What you are running into are PROPERTY interests and busybodies who think they know better for Harlem than everyone else. In this case, cars are not involved...at all. The car is a bystander in a major power struggle here. Furthermore, if you are implying that this is where the problem lies, it is probably all the more reason to show people that many situations can be reasonably de-private automobiled so that they either no longer or never have to worry about the expense of owning or using a private automobile and might be able to put their money to use in other ways. This could be one way to decrease socioeconomic inequality, if decreasing income inequality is important to you (not too much, since we do not want a communistic society).. Harlem residents are not overly attached to their vehicles. They do not need to be shown how to use mass transit. They need their "leaders" to get out of the way of better mass transit. |
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Posted by The Logic on Sat Mar 1 20:29:40 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 1 11:38:38 2014. "I use a much thinner brush than that. In Harlem, the majority of the people (even car owners) would have no problem with a full length bus lane on 125 Street. What you are running into are PROPERTY interests and busybodies who think they know better for Harlem than everyone else. In this case, cars are not involved...at all. The car is a bystander in a major power struggle here."In my opinion, you are not being very specific or making the connections between your different ideas clear, JAzumah. That makes it hard for me to understand the point you are trying to make. "Harlem residents are not overly attached to their vehicles." If you say so. (I think I can agree with this, although it depends on how we want to define "overly attached." Also, my statements do not refer only to Harlem residents.) "They need their "leaders" to get out of the way of better mass transit." Yes. The same goes for plenty of neighborhoods other than Harlem. |
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Posted by The Logic on Sat Mar 1 20:33:03 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by The Logic on Sat Mar 1 20:29:40 2014. JAzumah, I actually should have quoted you like this:"What you are running into are PROPERTY interests and busybodies who think they know better for Harlem than everyone else. In this case, cars are not involved...at all. The car is a bystander in a major power struggle here." Rather than like this: "I use a much thinner brush than that. In Harlem, the majority of the people (even car owners) would have no problem with a full length bus lane on 125 Street. What you are running into are PROPERTY interests and busybodies who think they know better for Harlem than everyone else. In this case, cars are not involved...at all. The car is a bystander in a major power struggle here." Because this statement was specific enough, I think: "In Harlem, the majority of the people (even car owners) would have no problem with a full length bus lane on 125 Street." I am not quite sure I 100% understand or agree with that statement, but I am not as concerned with that statement as I am with the statements that follow. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 3 08:34:41 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 28 21:21:12 2014. She's been reimbursed..cleared after unjustly being issue a fine.thats what matters to her.. I agree 100%. Also..even if she was "as reactionary as me",That would STILL make her better than you. Nope. Take Pride,
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Mar 3 19:46:34 2014, in response to Re: B46 fare beater shoot a cop, both legs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 28 03:15:19 2014. Yes, I am. I keep moving east.... |
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