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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:48:19 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Apr 30 16:25:01 2010. Mr D-Type: We were just having a little fun and being facetious. Did you know that at least three R-46's did run on Staten Island while the ME-2's were out for the GOH?Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:52:11 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:50 2010. Now that Fresh Kills has been closed, a bastard stepchild with no discernible use.Chris: Why would you say that?. Staten Island is a great place to vist and a ride on SIRT is quite different from a ride on the TA (not better or worse, just different). The people are nice if somewhat grumpy at times, but you would be grumpy too if you spent half of your life at sea. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Apr 30 17:52:28 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:46:05 2010. I love the Silver Hippos (I've lived near the D my entire life...) and I believe the Sea Beach Express track is a very slow track, I've seen it where Ive been on a 68 and passed 32s that are supposedly "express" perhaps someone like NETO or Railman can confirm my suspicion. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 17:54:15 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:48:19 2010. How much of a job is it to modify them for SIR's signal system ? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:57:04 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Apr 30 17:52:28 2010. I love the Silver HipposHow do you find them compared to the R-68A's?. The 68A's always seem to have a little more zip to them. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by BarnYard on Fri Apr 30 17:57:34 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Apr 30 15:47:28 2010. Miami & Baltimore opened in the early 80's(I took off as a M/M toride opening day in Baltimore).Any Rapid Transit system buying cars to expand in North America could be considered.WMATA will probably be ordering cars.Floor hightis a compatability issue,but not unsolvable. Just an open ended idea. Remember the original SIRT cars were 67 footers.The BMT Standard of 67 ft cars was used on SI,Philadelphia's Broad St.,& Boston's Cambridge Line(today's Red Line). The SOAC cars ran on Lindenwold,Broad St,Cambridge,& Skokie besides NYCTA. A standardized car is something to shoot for(unless someone's a consultant hired to reinvent the wheel). |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:58:29 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 17:54:15 2010. How much of a job is it to modify them for SIR's signal system ?That I do not know. I would have to defer to one of our collegues who has more technical qualifications. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Apr 30 18:00:10 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Apr 30 17:52:28 2010. I love the Silver HipposAgreed, ride em five days a week, great cars. I like that jet noise that select 68s and 68As make, seem to be more common in an 68 though. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Apr 30 18:12:21 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:57:04 2010. Ive found them similar, but the braking was a lot better on the 68s, an overall more comfortable ride. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 18:21:56 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Apr 30 18:00:10 2010. Agreed, ride em five days a week, great cars. I like that jet noise that select 68s and 68As make, seem to be more common in an 68 though.There does seem to be enough technical differences to say that the 75 foot R-46's were the last of the Second Generation cras while the R-68's were the first of the Third Generation. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Apr 30 18:25:52 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 17:20:01 2010. but that would kill any future plans to connect it to the rest of the city not that it would ever happen anywaysBut it doesn't. High floor LRVs like the Bombardier Flexity LRVs which form the basis of the Rotterdam 5300, 5400, and 5500 can all operate on both overhead wire and third rail. No real conversion would be required, except maybe a few platform extensions in a few cases. The line would still have third rail and high platforms of the same height they now have. In no way would operating the line with LRVs in any way impair the ability to convert it to an NYCT subway standard someday in the future if a tunnel to Brooklyn is completed. But commonality with the LRVs on the North Shore and West Shore lines would save a large amount of money in reducing parts inventories required to operate Staten Island's rapid transit. IMHO if they pursue the West Shore line, especially in its flawwed route through the unpopulated and largely uninhabitable route along 440, it is essential it connect directly to the existing SI South Shore route. It is even better if they can operate both into Tottenville, which should push toward operating both with roughly compatible vehicles. Certainly there's room at Tottenville to accommodate four tracks at a combination of high and low platforms to allow for both high and low floor LRVs. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 18:41:29 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by WillD on Fri Apr 30 18:25:52 2010. Cool :) Then I say run with it :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 19:21:48 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 15:52:11 2010. I love the 75 footers, most notably for the seating arrangement. I'm still depressed over the R44 mothballing. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 19:23:48 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:48:19 2010. I recall them using LIRR M1's and MP54's out there just prior to the R44's being introduced. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 30 19:28:52 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 30 17:42:39 2010. Then it's fair. Using LA County as an example, all of our new Measure R transit projects would be in the city of Los Angeles if it were based only on need. But they are extending the gold line another 20 miles into the suburbs so that all areas of the county benefit. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 30 19:31:21 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 18:21:56 2010. IIRC the R-68s have a different (higher) gear ration compared to the rest of the fleet. |
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Posted by blue8IRT on Fri Apr 30 19:32:41 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. I peronall have nothing against Staten Island. I feel it derves the under water connection that was aborted by the V-Narrows. There is no doubt their equipment is ragged. But I would feel it'd be more justified if they were paying customers all along. That said, I don't think the number of cars they need would kill the MTA to replace them. It's too bad there aren't some other rolling stock out there that could do the job? How about some old LIRR stuff again? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 30 19:32:43 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 30 13:53:41 2010. At least they'll never set foot on the Three Stooges Division.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 30 19:34:24 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 30 17:02:43 2010. They tried to m. u. those surplus SIRT cars with BMT standards when they arrived on TA property, thinking they'd be compatible. Surprise, surprise - they wouldn't m. u. |
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Posted by blue8IRT on Fri Apr 30 19:40:11 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. How about some of the old M-1's or some such? hey, They could get old Silverliners from ShlEPTA! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 19:44:30 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by blue8IRT on Fri Apr 30 19:40:11 2010. Those cars are older than the R44's! |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Apr 30 19:49:13 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Apr 30 18:12:21 2010. Whenever I get on an R-68 I tend to think of them as the modern version of the Standard since they carried similar numbers. The Standards of course were relatively quiet in comparison to their IND/IRT contemporaries but also underpowered. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 19:59:15 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 19:23:48 2010. No.They had 5 LIRR MP-72's there during the changeover from standard cars to R44 |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 20:01:32 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 19:44:30 2010. The LIRR M-1's are all gone, except for 4 privately owned.The MN ones I suppose are on their way to Ohio to be cut up. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 20:16:04 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 20:01:32 2010. I thought some went to Mexico? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 20:19:44 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 19:59:15 2010. My bad. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 30 20:29:03 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:41 2010. This makes a lot of sense to me. Besides being better connected geographically Staten Islanders would go from having little political power to having a lot. Would this also benefit NJ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 30 20:35:15 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:09 2010. There is no actual FRA definition for "commuter railway" that I know of. PATH is a "commuter railway", and the primary users of the NYC subway are commuters. (The word "commuter" refers to commuted, or discounted, fares.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 30 20:36:03 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by blue8IRT on Fri Apr 30 19:40:11 2010. Ain't none to have. Maybe the M3s? |
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Dan, that is great news, no new cars for Staten Island Railway. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 30 20:38:56 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. And I still don't believe the hot air about modified R46s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 20:39:51 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 20:16:04 2010. LIRR ones mostly to Mexico, and a few to Canada.MN ones ran in interchange freight service via Indiana with ex-1100 MU buffer cars. The 1100's and the 8 Arrow-III-like push-pull cars that MTA bought in 1977 all went that way too. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 20:41:51 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 17:09:10 2010. Beat me to it. Yeah I would guess that could be so. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 20:43:13 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:09 2010. What about the PA4s then? |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Apr 30 20:45:41 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. The R44 fleet on SI just got overhauled so this is no surprise. I would like for there to be more MVMs on Staten Island, even if they have to place them in supermarkets or what not. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Apr 30 20:47:15 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 30 11:15:04 2010. then they should get rid of the si discount on the vz bridge in exchange for new cars. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 20:47:59 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 20:43:13 2010. Wait are there enough PA5s to replace the PA4s? |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Apr 30 20:48:09 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by mci guy on Fri Apr 30 15:34:55 2010. and provides good paying jobs to SI residents |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Apr 30 20:50:36 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 20:16:04 2010. si railway is far shorter than LIRR and the cars are in good shape. One of the reasons the mta is in the mess they are in is that they spend money of things they don't need for political reasons then the politicians does not allocate money from there budget |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 30 20:56:13 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:50 2010. So the city needs to lose the tax revenue it gets from the container terminal . . . ? |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 30 21:15:37 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 30 19:34:24 2010. They has 2 completely different types of electric portions. The SIRT cars had a portion like the D types and R-9s where portions from both couplers advanced and their contact fingers met. The BMT steels has a slide that had to be advanced by moving the cutting valve to the appropriate position which shot the slide from one coupler into the opposite one and pushed it back into the other coupler. The contact fingers on the bottom of the slide made contact with the bottom portion of the other coupler making the connection. When fully retrieved (or "tripped" in BMT terminology), the slide made a loop circuit with the bottom portion of its own coupler. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 22:31:05 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 20:47:59 2010. I think the PA intends to have the entire system PA5s only. I remember reading here about what the PA should do with the PA4s like sell them off to a transit agency that could use them. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 22:35:50 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:41 2010. Given the steep price it is to just get from 'they city' to SI, it would be better.But would Jersey keep all those express bus routes though? That's the bigger question. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 22:41:06 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:48:19 2010. Unless they were to order new trains by the time it came to retire the R46s, wouldn't it make more sense to send R68s to SI as those will last for 20~ years? I mean do they have to run singles as opposed to 4-car trains 24/7? |
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Posted by blue8IRT on Fri Apr 30 23:02:40 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. I have no clue about what most of you are speaking about when it comes to all the letter designations used here. I am not really suggesting that any cars other than what the MTA would normally use be substituted. I merely said that if these cars are ragged, and there is some other alternative, etc. and so forth. I recall photos of old LIRR cars on the Staten Island line. Isn't there something that can be used? I know ho old my suggestions were. I am just wondering what's out there. And just how much money are they gonna save? Is SI part of the system or not? Whose idea is it to save money this way? WTF already? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 30 23:47:24 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 22:31:05 2010. Who could that be? The only other agency that runs similar cars is the MBTA. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat May 1 00:08:16 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 30 23:47:24 2010. I dunno, some here said something about CTA. But I'm not sure if that's possible. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 1 02:34:01 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:50 2010. Fuck Off. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 1 02:36:10 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:41 2010. Why don't YOU secede to NEW JERSEY?We'd certainly be better off without you... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 1 02:39:19 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 17:41:51 2010. more power to you..Its hard to "like" someone that constantly makes an ass out of himself. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 1 07:49:00 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Apr 30 22:31:05 2010. PATH is keeping 20 PA4's for work trains. All the rest are to be sold to Kawasaki. They may rebuild them for a system in Peru, or they will be scrapped.CTA has no use for them. They are getting more 5000's than they are 2200 and 2400's. PATH cars are 3' too long and have air brakes, which nobody in CTA is qualified on. |
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