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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010 The Brown Line of the Chicago Transit Authority has always been a railfan favorite...its preceived as "safe", has direct access to the Loop, and winds it way through real interesting neighborhoods. An added bonus is the outer mile and a half....on the ground with six grade crossings.Many Chicago "L"s were extended at the outer ends by building the tracks on the ground...much cheaper than steel structure. Several lines had streteches of three track structure, sort of a poor mans' storage yard. A NB Brown line train roars on the three track stretch closing in on the Western AV station, end of the steel structure when the line opened in 1907.  As soon as the line opened, the surface extension was started and Kimball Av was reached in seven months. The extension went through vacant land all the way, except for a crossing of a branch of the Chicago River. The land owners financed much of the extension, and the vacant tracts were soon city blocks of bungalows and apartment buildings. The "L" right of way could be described as close...really close, as these two photos at Rockwell station show.   In between the stations, the "L" line was basically sandwiched in the middle of two alleyways. Three in-line stations are on busier cross streets where the alleyway turns to parallel the busier street alowing buildings to come right up to the "L" property line.  My favorite station/grade crossing is Francisco AV....apartment buildings right up to the tracks, 100 foot high trees, and no, the trains don't blow for the crossings, although a short warning toot might be heard.   This photo was posted on SubChat in a set last Friday (4/23/10) and shows for one thing how "L" trains move through grade crossings...they coast through. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=926854  David Harrison |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 14:31:44 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Nice! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 25 14:32:24 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Awesome shots!!As for the "no blowing for the crossings", I take it there is some kind of quiet zone-like order in effect there?? |
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Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:44:15 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 14:31:44 2010. Glad you enjoyed. Check out Friday's pics too.David |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:48:57 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 25 14:32:24 2010. Thanks for the "awesome."There's really no "quiet zone" like on mainline railroads. Transit lines don't come under the same Federal rules umbrella. The pre 1947 Rapid Transit company didn't blow for crossings, so neither did the CTA. Now the Skokie Swift/Yellow line is an exception. When opened by the CTA in 1964, because the "L" trains travelled 65 MPH, it was a safety consideration that trains blow for the crossings. Actually the PCCs honked and now the HP cars hoot. David |
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Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 25 14:54:09 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Love all that brick. When I lived there the Ravenswood shut down at night, had no service south of Belmont weekend evenings and was two car trains outside rush. Nice that they had to lengthen the platforms for 8s. Now if we could get back Humboldt Park and of course JP. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 15:07:57 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 25 14:54:09 2010. Whenever they tear down any buildings, they salvage all the bricks...authentic "Chicago brick" is desired all over the country.Nice that they had to lengthen the platforms for 8s. Now I KNOW JPKBT knows this is not the first time eight car trains ran to Kimball. David |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Sun Apr 25 16:08:46 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. These are nice photos. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 16:32:41 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Tony Clifton on Sun Apr 25 16:08:46 2010. Thank you very much.David |
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Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line |
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Posted by kahlua on Sun Apr 25 17:34:14 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Whats with the "cattle guards"? |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 17:39:44 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Great pictures, thanks. Now I can go tell my Chicago friend that having rapid transit street crossings at grade is not strange at all. |
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Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line (Adt Photo) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 17:50:01 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by kahlua on Sun Apr 25 17:34:14 2010. Helps keep city cattle off the property...good observation that you spotted that. What city critters you ask....doggies, cats, mostly but we do have coyotes, possums, raccoons, and a few wolves. There used to be "deer crossing" signs on the Blue line out near O'Hare. Plus, you'd be surprised that humans under the influence have difficulty walking on those wooden barriers.Here's a closeup over on the Pink line.  David |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 17:59:38 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 17:39:44 2010. Thanks a lot for that. You mean there's someone here in Chicago that thinks these street crossings are strange??? When the "L" first went north of Wilson AV, it ramped down and ran on the ground all the way to Evanston.David |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 25 18:06:37 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. One thing intrigues me: what's that line that crosses Stony Island Ave. at grade south of the Museum of Science and Industry before you get to the Skyway ramps? Is it a commuter line? |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 18:11:35 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 25 18:06:37 2010. Thats the South Chicago branch of Metra Electric, the former Illinois Central electrified commuter line. It's not really street running as the tracks are in a median not shared with the automobiles. The line is in the middle of 71st ST from Dorchester AV (1400 E.) to Yates BL (2400 E.) then turns and runs southeasterly in Exchange AV to 79th ST (7900 S.) where it enters private right of way the rest of the way to the end terminal. Theoverhead catenary is 1500 v. DC.David |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 25 18:41:01 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:48:57 2010. That will change I bet if a few people lost their lives, sadly!! :-( Always seems to have to take a few people losing their lives for actions to take effect!! |
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Posted by eyedoctor on Sun Apr 25 18:48:27 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 17:39:44 2010. Oslo, Frankfurt, and Newcastle England's metros also have street crossings. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 18:54:21 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 25 18:41:01 2010. The Brown line crossings are approaching their 100th year anniversary, so history is on their side that they'll remain quiet. Plus all of our crossings are protected with gates and flashers and most are within 25 MPH cab signal, maybe 35 MPH. And "L"s stop much quicker that commuters and railroad freights.David |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 26 08:09:27 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 18:11:35 2010. Thanks. The IC has run 1500 VDC since the beginning; the South Shore converted from 6600 VAC to be compatible when they began operating directly to Randolph St over IC trackage.I'm very familiar with 71st through Marquette Park. |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Apr 26 09:02:08 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Great pictures there, CPCCLC!Lee squeak |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Mon Apr 26 11:11:23 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Nice shots! They bring back memories of hiking along the outer end of the Brown Line several years ago. The stations sure look better now.Here's what Francisco used to look like:  And here's a grade crossing on Sacramento: 
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 17:07:09 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Apr 26 09:02:08 2010. Thank you.CPCCLC??????? David |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 17:08:27 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Jon Bell on Mon Apr 26 11:11:23 2010. Thanks and thanks for the contributions.David |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 26 17:43:28 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. Wonderful shots, David! I love seeing RT at grade crossings.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Apr 26 17:47:32 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 17:07:09 2010. Chicago PCCL Cars |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Apr 26 17:53:05 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 26 17:43:28 2010. You'd have loved E. 105th Street, if you're too young to remember it. squeak |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 26 17:58:15 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Apr 26 17:53:05 2010. I'd never been through there when it was still going. Best I can do now is MN New Canaan branch.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 18:28:13 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 26 17:43:28 2010. Thank you my pal. You're always there to encourage me on.David |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 26 19:05:21 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 17:59:38 2010. Did they lay third rail to Evanston? I always understood the extension was built on the embankment to replace the Milw Rd Chicago & Evanston route which was steam powered. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 26 19:21:05 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. nice photos !excellent |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 26 19:42:34 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 18:28:13 2010. Oh sure, blame me for this railfanning disease :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 20:58:25 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 26 19:05:21 2010. The original two track "L" from Wilson to Evanston was trolley wire. The Milwaukee gave up running passenger trains in deference to the "L", but they still ran freights. Gradually the tracks were relocated to today's concrete walled embankment. The Evanston stretch was elevated first. The city stretch from Wilson to Howard was elevated last, but with third rail on three of the four tracks. Third rail was later added to the west track that was guntleted for freight operation.David |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 20:59:23 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 26 19:21:05 2010. Thank you sir.David |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 21:00:54 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 26 19:42:34 2010. Naw I caught the disease long before....your contribution has been my new emphasis on photography. Try'n to follow in your footsteps.David |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 26 22:30:33 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 20:58:25 2010. Thanks, didn't know about the interim trolley wire operation. Got to spend more time w/ the CERA books on the shelf. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 23:33:04 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 26 22:30:33 2010. When the last through routing before the subway openings was put into place, your beloved Jackson Park always had trolley equipped equipment because of the overhead wire in Evanston. Then when the 4000s were gathered up to operate the State ST subway in 1943, your Jackson Park got the trolley 4000s while the Englewood-Normal Park-Ravenswood got the baldies. In 1949 the CTA sent all subway trains to Howard ST on the north end and separated the Evanston and the Ravenswood into separate routes. Now there was no need to isolate the trolley 4000s to the Jackson Park (B now). I'll have to check pics from 1949 to the mid 50s when the 6200s took over the subway. By the way, the 6200s spend their entire life on the subway.David P.S. You do know that the Englewood-Ravenswood trains 1943-49 were eight cars long. Sorry, but the Brown line eight car trains were NOT the first eight car trains out on the Ravenswood. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 27 00:21:21 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Apr 26 23:33:04 2010. Actually I didn't. Course I was 5 in 1949 -- not yet cruising the L. I assume the train platformed with extreme front and rear vestibules locked. I remember my aunt mentioning Ravenswood trains on the south side. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Apr 27 01:21:13 2010, in response to Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 14:25:47 2010. I want to go back to CTA Land. Love the system, but never got off the trains outside the Ends of the line. Back in 2002, I only have a film Camera and did not have alot with me. Now I would have a day pass like I had then and be on and off the trains and system getting alot more shots, all I would need is an extra few mamory cards.BTW Great Shots. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 05:37:57 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Apr 27 01:21:13 2010. Don't you love holding those mamory cards? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 27 05:58:56 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 05:37:57 2010. Robert is a good man and very smart,he has a disability. His mind is too fast for his mouth and written script. These things come out every so often and amuse some of us.I am his friend, I don't knock him. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 06:02:24 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 27 05:58:56 2010. Amen ... everyone knows who you're actually responding to, NETO also knows who it is. :) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 06:10:19 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 27 05:58:56 2010. You don't love holding those mamory cards? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 27 07:19:41 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Apr 25 15:07:57 2010. I have a video tape that I bought from Carson Home Videos.Chicago Transportation Authority Ravenswood North- South Lines + Skokie Swift. July -87 All I can say is it's a must see! Thanks, David for you photo essay! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 27 07:24:28 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 05:37:57 2010. Don't you love holding those mamory cards?Pathetic Coward i hope your child has a disability so we call can make fun of it.. He looks just as ugly as you so thats a start do the world a favor and dont have any more. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 27 07:46:46 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 27 07:19:41 2010. There is a comedy adventure movie -Running Scared , with Billy Crystal & Gregory Hines, great shots of the EL.Running Scared |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Apr 27 08:13:09 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 05:37:57 2010. I am sure I asked you this already, but were you born a major league douchebag, or is it learned???This is what happens when people splice gene pools!! Pathetic!! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 27 08:15:50 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Apr 27 08:13:09 2010. ROTFLMAO! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Apr 27 08:18:03 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 27 08:15:50 2010. X-DRemember, I did say I tell it like it is!! :-D |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Apr 27 08:20:57 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 27 05:58:56 2010. He only has an operating disability!! It's called BEING SLOW!! X-D LMAO!! He is all good otherwise!! :-D |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Apr 27 08:25:06 2010, in response to Re: Railfanning CTA Brown Line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 06:02:24 2010. Yep!! Another pathetic alterego for an even more pathetic person!! |
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