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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:10:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by f179dj on Tue Jul 7 13:05:33 2009. Flat and round at the same time? Are you a presidential speech writer? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:11:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:24:39 2009. No, I certainly do not. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 13:14:03 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:11:09 2009. So you support 22,000 people dying every year as a result of our dysfunctional current system? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:16:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 13:07:15 2009. No question dodge at all. Public Health care is left wing.And how about addressing your off kilter zero point, which you dodged? If you think Obama and Clinton were right wing, then you really have the scale calibrated incorrectly. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 13:17:28 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:30:23 2009. Well, I showed in this post that they are building a condo tentatively named Prism right next to One Hunters Point, the source of this movement.It's almost guaranteed that Prism's residents will join the online petition and so on. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:18:07 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 13:14:03 2009. Absurd numbers. Even more absurd that socialized medicine would save them if they were true. |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Jul 7 13:19:51 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:10:45 2009. No. Think of a disk: 78 rpm, 33 rpm or 45 rpm will do). It is flat, and round, at the same time. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:23:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 13:06:26 2009. You're repeating leftist talking points (which is why you won't cite a darn thing). Seriously, if you like this kind of beatdown you're receiving, visit OTChat more. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:25:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 07:43:45 2009. Well, he is just so far to the left that everybody else on the planet is on the rightHmm . . . that's what Chávez said about Obama (almost). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:27:16 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by f179dj on Tue Jul 7 13:19:51 2009. Of course! Now I see how Obama could give health coverage to everyone and still cut spending! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:30:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 6 08:22:37 2009. Can you kindly explain how a majority position is "left of" everyone else on the planet?What "majority position" do you refer to . . . ? Sounds like you're out of your league. You should do a study of left-wing politics and come back to the discussion. (On OTChat, preferably.) I suppose that it's pretty pointless to try and explain anything Why don't you give it a shot for the first time in this discussion, instead of regurgitating talking points? you've already demonstrated that you're way off on the lunatic right when you tried to justify locking up innocent people based on your misinterpretation of some archaic rules of war that certainly don't apply when dealing with accused criminals What are you referring to? And on a completely unrelated note, I want the fucking <font> tag back, dammit Eh? That tag still works here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:31:36 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 10:30:38 2009. All correct. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:32:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by f179dj on Tue Jul 7 13:19:51 2009. Hahahahaha! Good one! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:33:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 6 14:13:10 2009. Whaddistart? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:33:48 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 13:17:28 2009. This really does look bad for the LIRR yard. An industrial area is becoming very residential. Also, with ESA, the need for Hunterspoint Ave will come into question, and with that into question, the need for the LIC yard eventually too. This may also spell doom for the LIRR Montauk branch west of Fresh Pond, but that is still far off. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 13:34:20 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:32:03 2009. You're welcome! The Powerhouse is a block away from the tracks and on the cab car side of the trains. And unlike the new buildings, the outside walls would be much thicker. I think there would be less complaints than the buildings right in front of the DEs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:34:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 13:59:30 2009. The south part of the station has third rail. (They didn't extend third rail into the new high platforms, which are in the north part; I have no clue why.) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:38:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:23:45 2009. I will never call my good friends JayZeeBMT, SMAZ, Fred, AMoriera, etc, etc "left wingers" again, as seeing this display, they are hard core "right" wingers if comparing them to Nilet!! It's all where you calibrate the scale's zero point, and Nilet tips it as far to the left as I have ever seen anyone do here!Anyone that makes this post, has to be a extreme HARD CORE left winger: http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=804788 |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 13:45:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:33:48 2009. This really does look bad for the LIRR yard. An industrial area is becoming very residential.It actually gets better for LIRR if they reach the threshold where the yard's air rights are lucrative enough to develop. The danger is when they're not, as they're still not. There's less starts in the last few quarters, but eventually as the cycle turns, MTA would be well advised to start thinking of numbers and terms ahead of that. Also, with ESA, the need for Hunterspoint Ave will come into question, and with that into question, the need for the LIC yard eventually too. Two issues: 1. Remember that ESA involves reconfiguration of HAROLD and creation of Sunnyside station. Also recall that HPA is falling apart. For that reason alone, I can see Sunnyside becoming the terminal for present HPA and LIC trains. 2. Unfortunately ESA doesn't afford LIRR's DE/DM30-hauled trains direct access to the new ESA terminal in New York; they can't fit in the tunnel. So they will have to be short turned shy of where most people are going. Depending on ESA changes in LIRR service patterns, that could mean Jamaica. This may also spell doom for the LIRR Montauk branch west of Fresh Pond, but that is still far off. Already happened, pretty much. One round trip weekdays that isn't even guaranteed to run via Fresh Pond. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:48:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:33:48 2009. I'd rather have the "industrial area" back. Where is the change we can believe in . . . ? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:52:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:48:02 2009. We are sending our industry off to other countries, and replacing it with retail and residential. I don't think that is good "change". But this has been going on for decades. We used to be a country that "made" things, we are now a country that buys things....and the balance is way off. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:57:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 13:45:52 2009. The rest of the Montauk Branch in Queens east of Bushwick Junction (Fresh Pond's old station site) is needed for Freight, and very well used, because of the Bushwick Branch's junction at Fresh Pond station's location. Also of course, the Hell Gate interchange at Fresh Pond Yard. But west of Fresh Pond's old station location, the line may one day be in Question once Hunterspoint Ave isn't needed anymore, and without the yard at LIC. A lot of diesel deadheading still uses the Montauk Branch, but the need for that will dwindle if Hunterespoint Ave isn't needed anymore as a terminal with the dawn of Sunnyside and Grand Central.Unfortunately ESA doesn't afford LIRR's DE/DM30-hauled trains direct access to the new ESA terminal in New York Yes, the forward thinking MTA and LIRR went with diesel equipment that would never be able to fit into the existing 63rd St tunnel. They SO botched up that diesel order in the 1990's that it's almost unthinkable. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:59:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 13:34:54 2009. The third rail never was in the location of where the new platforms are, but how hard could that have been? It would have made for a nice flexibility to be able to send M7's there from the mainline. Although, I don't know why they would need to. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 14:01:53 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:33:48 2009. I don't know about that. Unless they turn all of them at Jamaica, the diesels have to turn somewhere. Even if they closed Hunterspoint for the sake of the new Sunnyside, the diesels will still need to turn somewhere.Add to that Sunnyside won't be as useful for Hunterspoint riders. No ESA trains will stop there so they would still need to use the 7 for GCT. Transfer to the 7 is a local stop or a long walk to QBP. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 14:06:29 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:57:21 2009. Yes, the forward thinking MTA and LIRR went with diesel equipment that would never be able to fit into the existing 63rd St tunnel. They SO botched up that diesel order in the 1990's that it's almost unthinkable.Obviously not many of us are fans of that move. But the fault probably goes with the designers of the 63 St Tunnel - one of the MTA's very first projects. Apparently they either forgot about non-electrified territory, or they assumed that LIRR would essentially complete electrification. The latter never happened, and still shows no signs of even happening. Additionally, the C3s wouldn't clear, even if the DM30s had somehow been put, despite all technical difficulties, into an M1/3/7-like profile. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 14:08:34 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 14:06:29 2009. Perhaps the LIRR should have gone with Shoreliners instead of C3s? That would have saved the cost of building high platforms in the diesel territory as well as cleared the 63rd Street tunnel . . . (but then one has to worry about the locomotive profile) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 14:12:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:38:52 2009. Yeah; I had to react to that post as well. Don't know how much further left you can go than Lenin and Stalin, but he's done it, especially calling Obama "centrist" and paraphrasing German propaganda about Bush. (No wonder RR cops pick on the guy . . .) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 14:13:19 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:38:52 2009. Yeah; I had to react to that post as well. Don't know how much further left you can go than Lenin and Stalin, but he's gone further left than they, especially calling Obama "centrist" and paraphrasing German propaganda about Bush. (No wonder RR cops pick on the guy . . .) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 14:14:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by f179dj on Tue Jul 7 13:19:51 2009. The Earth isn't shaped like that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 14:17:00 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:41:58 2009. proff? I've seen lots of "conservative" boards that allow "liberal" views; its those further left than merely "liberal" that get banned due to being abusive. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 14:21:16 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 13:59:12 2009. They could add high platforms if needed, but I don't see the need either. IIRC, It's only used to store that Hunterspoint - Ronkonkoma train. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:28:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 14:06:29 2009. The problem isn't the diesel equipment, it's the bilevels they decided to buy, which are too tall for the 63rd St tunnel, a tunnel that was there long before the 1990's when they ordered that equipment. While perhaps the designers of the 63rd St tunnel should have made it bigger, that's not the real problem, as back then all the equipment would have fit through anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:39:04 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 14:01:53 2009. I don't know about that. Unless they turn all of them at Jamaica, the diesels have to turn somewhere.Jamaica. Add to that Sunnyside won't be as useful for Hunterspoint riders. No ESA trains will stop there so they would still need to use the 7 for GCT. They won't need Hunterspoint Ave as the whole reason for the Hunterspoint Ave station is for it's connection to the East Side via the 7 line and Grand Central, many people then transferring to the Lexington Ave line. With ESA, they have direct Grand Central access, so the need for the 7 line will be much less. A simple transfer at Jamaica will get them to Grand Central where they will then be able to transfer to the Lexington line there.....cutting out the 7 line completely. Hunterspoint Ave will be a ghost town once ESA opens. |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Jul 7 14:47:30 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 14:14:22 2009. Yup. I said in my even earlier post that I am not a subscriber to the Flat Earth Society's views. I believe the Earth is an orb (cue the Moody Blues here). |
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Posted by d_mind on Tue Jul 7 14:50:57 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:39:04 2009. I'm convinced the RR will quickly move to close down LIC and HPA after ESA opens. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 15:00:55 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:39:04 2009. Jamaica.Connecting electric shuttles Jamaica to GCT? You don't want the diesel riders to connect to a train coming from another branch. That would be worse than Hunterspoint and two subway stops. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 7 15:12:42 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:42:54 2009. LEFT.And if you think that USA provided health care is a good thing, you have not visited a clinic on an Indian reservation. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 7 15:13:36 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:52:55 2009. Ahem....The *center* point is always easy to find. LOOK AT YOUR FEET. THAT is where your center is. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 7 15:19:15 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 13:14:03 2009. MANY MORE will die under socialism, and while they will be seen, they will NOT be treated.ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 15:20:30 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by van Nostrand on Sat Jul 4 13:42:23 2009. False. One particular ideology is indicated in that book (hence the name given to it, "Ingsoc"—or English Socialism). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 15:21:20 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by van Nostrand on Sat Jul 4 13:27:26 2009. That's what seems to be going on right now, funny enough. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 15:22:46 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 00:27:08 2009. Don't conflate party names with alleged ideology. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 15:35:48 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:07:01 2009. You do make a good point. I've heard worse. I've said worse. I've enjoyed saying worse.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 15:44:41 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:37:50 2009. Don't play games. "Selective quoting" is a common leftist tactic. Problem is, you can't backfill anything from a previous post (which we can all access) that would change any context. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 15:45:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:37:50 2009. Don't play games. Crying "selective quoting" is a common leftist tactic. Problem is, you can't backfill anything from a previous post (which we can all access) that would change any context. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 15:49:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 6 00:03:25 2009. 50 years ago the US had no comp(et)itionEurope was still recovering Asian was not industrialized Not entirely true. You forgot about Russia and Japan? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 15:56:06 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 10:25:09 2009. This thread is kind of a reach anyway as a railyard is but a minor prop in a discussion that has little to do with trains and all to do with peoples' philosophies about where they dwell and their surroundings.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 16:03:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:11:27 2009. First they passed a stimulus bill which was way too small$700 billion, the largest such "stimulus" in the history of the world, is "too small"?? Where is the money supposed to come from anyhow? and then a climate change bill which didn't crack down on polluters in any meaningful sense You are quite ignorant about the whole "climate change" thing too, I see. That's got nothing to do with pollution, but a scam dreamt up in Bonn, Germany and pushed on the world by the United Nations. Carbon dioxide is not pollution. Obama is apparently either too cowardly or too corrupt to prosecute Bush & Company . . . or maybe "Bush & Company" did nothing wrong after all? Get that European Union-inspired propaganda out of your head. conservative policies have proven to be utter failures What "conservative policies"? Like it or not, the policies that Bush implemented that turned out to be failures are the liberal-ward ones—none of the "conservative" ones that he claimed would be implemented got implemented (save some tax cuts). it doesn't take much more than basic common sense to reinstate Glass-Steagall and bring back the 90% top marginal tax rate (policies that were successful in America's past) 90-percent top marginal tax rate was one initial cause of industrial flight to begin with. You don't realize how the left-leaning policies have eroded the USA, maybe? That's a good start. (Besides, there's nowhere to gather such tax revenue from anymore.) institute a public health plan or single payer (policies that are successful in every other modern democracy) There are no "modern democracies" other than in the English-speaking world. The European Union is not a democracy. These "plans", furthermore, are not successful but sinking under their own weight. and ban torture, prosecute those who ordered it, did it, and covered for it Nobody was "tortured", so I don't know what you're going on about. reaffirm that anyone accused of wrongdoing is entitled to a fair trial "Anyone"? I suppose you still don't know the difference between war and civil crime. Why don't you worry about the European Union, who has actually banned habeas corpus, and instituted anti-blasphemy laws (you can't criticize or even mock the EU), plus instituted "hate crime" laws so draconian that even making a joke that contains a hint of bigotry or racism can land you 1 to 3 years in prison? Everything you say reads like some of the worst leftist blogs out there. Are you not able to think for yourself? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 7 16:03:50 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 15:49:40 2009. Russia and Japan were also recovering from the war.Or did you forget that Hitler attacked and burnt much of western Russia to the ground. Or did you forget that we bombed Japan. Most big targets were taken out before we turned our attention to Hiroshima or Nagasaki. ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 16:06:11 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 7 16:03:50 2009. Russia and Japan were also recovering from the warSo were we. So was Britain. |
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