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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 22:58:21 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 21 11:09:12 2009. Stimulus funds for a great arch at LIC! (heh) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 22:59:04 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 22:18:47 2009. Yup; got a feeling that's the way this is going . . . |
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Posted by d_mind on Thu May 21 23:13:49 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:54:51 2009. Fuck merit when you've got political pull. Just look at all the parking permits that get distributed in Borough Park. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 22 00:15:44 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by metropod on Thu May 21 13:02:55 2009. Steam whistles could explode? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 22 00:16:33 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu May 21 06:28:54 2009. The reason why the folks along the Far Rock and other branches are complaining is that the FRA mandated M-7 horns are way louder than the M-1'sReason, or made-up canard? |
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Posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 05:17:17 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. Take a look at the petition. One person complains about noise at night. There are no trains there at night! I also enjoy the complaint about having a rail yard in a "residential neighborhood"!LIC Stop LIRR Idling Petition |
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Posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 07:17:54 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 05:17:17 2009. The actual petition:We, the residents of Hunters Point, Long Island City, petition for the LIRR to cease the constant idling of diesel trains at the Borden Ave LIRR train yard. We are extremely troubled by the decibel level and air pollution that these trains contribute to an already compromised environment. Our neighborhood has transformed from its prior industrial status to that of a densely populated residential area, rejuvenated by a construction boom adjacent to the train yard. Despite these changes, the LIRR continues its noisy, pollutive assault on residents. Several of us have called and written to the LIRR and MTA regarding this issue. The LIRR response generally has been that they need to keep diesel engines running due to the lengthy amount of time it would take to re-start the engines. The LIRR representatives have described certain technologies that could help mitigate the noise and pollution, such as: i) using electric trains, ii) connecting the diesel engines to an electric-power sourced machine to keep the engines warm without requiring them to be running, and iii) Smart- Start technology currently used by the LIRR for certain types of engines. The LIRR representatives have stated that there are no plans to replace these diesel trains to electric, and that the other technologies entail costs and there are no existing plans to use them at the Borden Avenue yard. In addition, residents have inquired about other noise-mitigating ideas, such as keeping some of the engines farther up the track and away from the residential buildings, staggering the engine cars so they are not all clustered together increasing the rumble and vibration, or installing some other noise- reducing features in the train yard. While many of us have complained on an individual basis, it is our fear that we are powerless in that capacity. As residents, tax payers, and voters in the community, we ask that the LIRR stop this assault on our environment and our community. Thanks for your support! |
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Posted by Mr RT on Fri May 22 07:25:27 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:44:02 2009. Same thing happened at the end of the main runway at JFK.A new development went up ... the new home owners complained :-( |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 09:07:43 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 07:17:54 2009. I really don't get it...If had the money to spend on a condo, why live in that part of Queens as opposed to living somewhere else, say down by the water in Averne by the Sea in the Rockaways? They paid to live in a gritty area....now deal with it!. Tell them to stop bitching and wining about it. They are pissed probably because the developer told them something like the rail yard will go away soon or get covered just so they could sell more apts. |
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Posted by d_mind on Fri May 22 09:10:18 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 07:17:54 2009. Typical limousine liberal...promote the use of public transportation but emits a loud 'FUCK OFF!' when the maintenance facilities interrupt their hipster doofus life.This group should have collectively done its homework on the area; i'm sure idling diesels should be the least of their worries living in LIC. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 22 09:28:50 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. That's always the case, move someplace and then everything simply must change for Biff and Skippy. We had some Noo Yawkers move here and bitch up and down about the steam train. LOLyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dave on Fri May 22 10:04:35 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by d_mind on Fri May 22 09:10:18 2009. IAWTP!!!!!!! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri May 22 10:35:47 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. "We're petitioning to ask the LIRR to turn off their diesel engine trains, or find a way to move them away from residential areas.Even better - keep your residential housing away from pre-exieting railyards or deal with the noise. The RR was there first!! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri May 22 10:37:33 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by BMTLines on Fri May 22 10:35:47 2009. Please! Don't confuse the issue with facts. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri May 22 10:51:37 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 12:00:53 2009. There is also another related issue:1) Things that are not that difficult to find out - by the average person - vs 2) Things that are difficult for the average person to find out about, the basis of lemon laws, etc. It appears that most are saying that the train yard fits into the category of "things that the average person can find out about", as the basis for the rejection of the condo owners wishes. Plus the fact that most folks here like trains also adds to the fuel. Mike |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 10:54:12 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by d_mind on Fri May 22 09:10:18 2009. How do you even know their political affiliations? did you poll the residents in the buildings? Here you go ASS-UMING again.... |
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Posted by d_mind on Fri May 22 10:56:51 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 10:54:12 2009. You can learn a lot by opening your eyes and clearing your ears. Maybe you should try it sometime? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 11:02:45 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by d_mind on Fri May 22 10:56:51 2009. I guess someone told you that the other day.....ok...but it still doesn't answer the question as to why you think "limo driving Liberals" are living there.... |
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Posted by d_mind on Fri May 22 11:06:41 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 11:02:45 2009. The question was answered; just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's not there. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 11:19:40 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 12:00:53 2009. Why should the LIRR bend though?Other than the unit owners paying the LIRR, I don't see why. And of course, such payment really isn't feasible, given the unit owners' lack of such funds. If they didn't do their research before buying, that is THEIR problem, not the LIRR's. I think that this is right. And I am SURE these condos, even if "luxury", are still cheaper than other condos that are similar in a neighborhood where there is no train yard. Surprisingly, many of those people really did pay a fairly high dollar to square foot ratio. I'm actually not sure whether ratios would have been higher in other relatively comparable 'frontier' neighborhoods, e.g., Central Harlem, Downtown Brooklyn, Astoria, Williamsburg, etc. With the price decrease in the 'terra firma' market, especially on Manhattan Island, a lot of these LIC buyers look to have made a blunder, so I think that's also a part of it. That's why I noted in Pavonia-Newport case, the purchaser was suing for a refund with interest, and I wondered whether some of these LIC purchasers were not setting up to do the same. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 22 11:22:09 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 10:54:12 2009. He doesn't know; he's just channeling Ann Coulter.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by d_mind on Fri May 22 11:26:12 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Fred G on Fri May 22 11:22:09 2009. Blegh, Ann Coulter. She's just another Rush (gender less apparent though). |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri May 22 11:27:08 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 07:17:54 2009. From an urban planning perspective there are a number of issues:1) There is clash of competing land uses - industrial usage, and residential usage - plus the "grandfather issue" versus economic development. 2) There is the issue of converting an area that was once industrial into a residential area, while there is substantial industrial usage still underway. 3) There is the issue of attracting developers and residents to such an area: local policy, zoning, tax incentives, etc. The neighborhood has to have at least one or more attratcive features for the new residents, I suppose that easy transportation to Manhattan was the lure. 4) There is the clear, "Not In My Backyard" ploys, and the history of those tactics. 5) There is the issue of mitigation both for the new residnets, and for the LIRR --- with the most important being who pays for the costs of that mitigation. In this case, some technology exists but that is extremely costly. It also seems that there are few buffers that can be placed between the residents and the train yard. 6) There is also the issue - benefits for one area might turn out to be disruptive for others, who happen yet not to be a part of the discussion. The train engines have to be stored somewhere in a way that enhances the operations of the LIRR, storing them somewhere else may hamper those operations or cause problems for residents in another location. 7) There is, of course, the issue of political power - who has it, and who does not, and the kinds of appeals made. Note the references to noise and air pollution - generally considered bad, and the idea "that we powerless simple folk" has tried to reason with the "big bad LIRR". The LIRR is a state agency that responds to the concerns of the governor, the MTA board, various Long Island politicians, etc. Generally speaking the LIRR does not have to respond to the wishes of a local community board - the usual place for residents to note concerns - unless a great deal of outside pressure is used. 8) In addition, there is the issue that the LIRR will use - that is basically "we have always operated this way - and we are not changing." Any change in our operations will affect LIRR riders. Just some thoughts in looking at this issue from another angle: Mike |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 11:45:05 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 05:17:17 2009. The comments by signatories are wonderful! Take these two:"I reside in One Hunters Point, Apt L5 that directly faces the train tracks." "The LIRR reasons for doing this are unconvincing. They are severely disturbing the quality of life by never turning off diesel engines in the middle of a NYC residential neighborhood." |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 22 11:47:14 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:54:51 2009. However...the LIRR may force the issue into FEDERAL court, where political pull does not matter. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 11:55:40 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:54:51 2009. Look what happend along Jamaica Avenue int he 1970s...That's because of the incestuous marriage between MTA Board leadership and real estate interests. In that particular case, David L. Yunich was MTA Chair, and his job previously was Vice Chairman at Macy's. Recall who the retail anchor in Jamaica was, that Mr. Yunich's company had taken over? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 11:57:12 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 22 11:47:14 2009. the LIRR may force the issue into FEDERAL courtHow so? where political pull does not matter You're dreaming. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 12:08:17 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 11:19:40 2009. Surprisingly, many of those people really did pay a fairly high dollar to square foot ratio.Streeteasy puts it down, for the development where people seem to be most irked (One Hunters Point, 5-49 Borden Av, LIC), as current asking price amounting to $783/sq ft. You can check out details on particular units here. I'm actually not sure whether ratios would have been higher in other relatively comparable 'frontier' neighborhoods, e.g., Central Harlem, Downtown Brooklyn, Astoria, Williamsburg, etc. Streeteasy pegs current asking price at a similar, new frontier building at $761/sq ft (Oro, 306 Gold St, Downtown Brooklyn). So I'm not sure that any of these folks got off on the 'cheap' end of the scale. All of them did receive costs lower than even current Manhattan condo prices ($1100-1300/sq ft), but it doesn't appear to me that there was any discount for living next to trains. As you can see, though, from the comments by petition signatories, they were quite aware of where they live. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 22 12:27:49 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:26:48 2009. I lived on New Haven Avenue in Far Rockaway as a kid, and our house was directly beneath the 31 approach to JFK. Remember, this was in the days of early Boeing water-cooled jets (the kind that left those greasy black contrails behind on takeoff) and you can believe the whole house shook from rooftop to foundation! Every morning starting around 5 AM, the international arrivals would start screaming above the house. I was sure on at least one occasion I was going to find a 747 in my backyard...they flew so low, you could actually read the tail numbers!THose condo-crazies need to do a little historical reseaech. The Ling Island City station and yards have bben there since the mid-19thy century, when LIC was the western terminal (and the beginning) of the LIRR. To this day, mile markers and signal numbers reflect their distance in miles (and tenths, for signals), from Long Island City. The LIRR should complain about the condo people trying to interfere with their operations...lol! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 13:53:53 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 11:45:05 2009. OMG....is that for real? I live in Bayside, Queens and my Co-op apt faces the Port Washington ROW....do you think I am going complain about noise to the LIRR? Give me a break. Before I signing on the dotted line, I knew what I was getting into. For a while the weekends were quiet times but then a few years ago the LIRR added more trains on the weekends on the half-hours so that meant more noise. Oh well...I didn't mind at all...cause I knew it gives me more service on the line to travel to the city if need be. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 14:04:19 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 13:53:53 2009. Passing electric trains do not approach the same noise level as idling diesels. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 14:09:09 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 14:04:19 2009. True....but at times when the LIRR were performing track work, the Diesel work train came whizzing by late at night...sometimes slow and sometimes not. I also had to deal for a while T/Os who loved to blow the horns when leaving and arriving into the station...especially late at night....that was not kool.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 14:13:48 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 14:09:09 2009. I understand. Nothing sucked more than last summer's track replacement project on the J. Right in front of my house. Every weekend, starting at 7 AM, nothing but diesel fumes, chainsaws, airhorns and idiotic trackworkers screaming at the top of their lungs. |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Fri May 22 21:26:54 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. A virtual new yard (Yard completely rebuilt, or in the process of) has been placed there. Even though as such, there are no power supply units there, and the yard is only used during the midday between rush hours, and during the weekends, the yard is unoccupied, so having an Auxillary power unit to plug into the HEP to keep the computers, and such is unnecessary. Having the power at idle is a must over there because of such. Now at east end yards such as Oyster Bay, Port Jeff, and Speonk having the power supply unit at the end of each track is there, and is used when equipment is laid up during the overnights, and weekends. Sheridan/Richmond Hill Yards have such also because of equipment also being stored there overnight. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 22 21:58:44 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 22 11:19:40 2009. Surprisingly, many of those people really did pay a fairly high dollar to square foot ratio.I am sure they did, but so did everyone else if they bought at the height of the market. I'm actually not sure whether ratios would have been higher in other relatively comparable 'frontier' neighborhoods, e.g., Central Harlem, Downtown Brooklyn, Astoria, Williamsburg, etc. I am sure that as much as these may have been, they would probably have been even more for a smiliar unit in a "better" location. With the price decrease in the 'terra firma' market, especially on Manhattan Island, a lot of these LIC buyers look to have made a blunder, so I think that's also a part of it That's irrelevant. The market went down just about everywhere. Just because NOW they perhaps could buy a place in "Manhattan" or some other "better" location for the same price they may have paid for these units, that was NOT the case when they bought the units. The downturn hit most markets. That's why I noted in Pavonia-Newport case, the purchaser was suing for a refund with interest, and I wondered whether some of these LIC purchasers were not setting up to do the same. Again, the Pavonia-Newport case is irrelevant, as NY State is a "buyer beware" state. I don't believe that is the case in New Jersey. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 22 22:01:34 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 14:09:09 2009. True....but at times when the LIRR were performing track work, the Diesel work train came whizzing by late at night...sometimes slow and sometimes not.But that's not regular service. I live about a 1/2 mile from the diesel only Montauk branch, and if the wind and weather conditions are right, they may as well be in the back yard. But again, these people CHOSE to move to LIC, the trains were there long before them. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat May 23 00:18:41 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 14:13:48 2009. Dude...it's a construction area. Guys have to yell in that environment. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat May 23 00:29:48 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Neil Feldman on Fri May 22 21:26:54 2009. It boggle the mind that somebody moving to this neighborhood wouldn't be cogniscent of what's in it: |
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Posted by Doctor B on Sat May 23 06:03:12 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by ntrainride on Sat May 23 00:29:48 2009. "It boggle the mind that somebody moving to this neighborhood wouldn't be cogniscent of what's in it"The street I live on is clearly marked with signs: "NO STANDING 3PM TO 7PM MON-FRI". Real estate agents hold an open house on weekends, showing the new owners they can park right in front. Here comes the first weekday, the car is sitting there while the guy is at work, and in the late afternoon he is ticketed and towed. People do NOT pay attention to what is going on around them. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Sat May 23 07:59:07 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. Typical trendy,latte sipping yuppies.Shutting down diesels whenpossible is a good idea,but watching yuppies throw a tantrum is fun,too.I'll make a deal with the cafe sitting,quiche chewing snobs: You don't complain about the noise of the diesels;I won't laugh too loud at your pathetic wimpering. As a multi-generation Greenpoint native I got a message for all yuppies: Your landlord may like your inflated rent money,but he probably despises you.Your longtime neighbors hate you,resent that their relatives can't afford the rent because of you,& don't like your uppitty attitude.We didn't need saving or enlightening.What we need are the old stores that closed so another boutique or bistro could open.Why not spend your trust fund under the rock you crawled out from under,or take a flying leap from the balcony of your condo,with its breathtaking view of the BQE.With any luck you'll score a two-fer by landing on some other hipster. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 23 22:21:54 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by BarnYard on Sat May 23 07:59:07 2009. Wow.Not my favorite people either, but perhaps you should see someone.... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat May 23 22:52:18 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 22 21:58:44 2009. I am sure they did, but so did everyone else if they bought at the height of the market.Prices there actually don't seem to have decreased all that much. I am sure that as much as these may have been, they would probably have been even more for a smiliar unit in a "better" location. It seems to hinge on what's better - if on the 'mainland', in a desirable area, e.g., UES, that's certainly right. But in a lot of the frontier areas, pricing per square foot was roughly constant, in spite of an area's desirability - or lack thereof, e.g., across the street from a NYCHA project, next to a rail yard, have to go quite a while to find the nearest supermarket, etc. Just because NOW they perhaps could buy a place in "Manhattan" or some other "better" location for the same price they may have paid for these units, that was NOT the case when they bought the units. That is true but depending on how long some of the residents have been residing there, I wouldn't put it past them not to sue the seller and its agents to undo the transaction in light of that fact. Trust me, one sees this effect a lot in down markets, buyer's remorse lawsuits. Frequently it's in the securities markets, but it can also happen in the real property market as well. Again, the Pavonia-Newport case is irrelevant, as NY State is a "buyer beware" state. I don't believe that is the case in New Jersey. Believe me, there is a fudge factor. I don't know what the NJ law is, but even here, it is not airtight. To be sure, it's not a sure thing, there or here. But that's exactly why there is posturing in setting for a suit. My comments were directed at the fact that this behavior, depending on how long these residents have been at the complex, directed at complaining to LIRR may be part and parcel of a litigation strategy designed to make lemonade from lemons, so to speak. I saw this firsthand when the 'tech bubble' burst, and I have been hearing things right now from colleagues that it's not just securities in which that happens. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 23:13:26 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 07:17:54 2009. Yeahh right, and the Midtown Tunnel's not noisy. Nor LGA. Tase 'em all! |
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Posted by BarnYard on Sun May 24 17:54:07 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 23 22:21:54 2009. I'm just guilty of exercising my 1st amendment rights.I DO have ahabit of saying out loud what a LOT of people are thinking. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun May 24 20:01:53 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 22 00:16:33 2009. Reason, or made-up canard?Don't know the reason why higher decibel horns are mandated. Perhaps at grade crossing the reason was to scare pedestrians and motorists to stay put and not circumvent lowered gates. You know, people with blasting ipods and motorists with blasting car radios who cannot hear the approaching train horns. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 24 21:50:58 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun May 24 20:01:53 2009. There are three things that I think should be considered in this regard.First, there are some people who will complain no matter what. Those people are rightly ignored. Second, though, the decibel level at which horns are to blow was raised, and it's worth keeping in mind that it's a logarithmic scale. LIRR promulgated an order that horn blowing was to be reduced except where required, so now on many express runs through a station, there won't be the horn blasts and toots unless the engineer senses something awry. Third, the sound frequency on the M7 horns is very different from the higher pitched M1 horns, and this effect also makes for a discernible difference. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 24 22:35:48 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 05:17:17 2009. Hahaaha, yeah, "a rail yard in the middle of a residential neighborhood", are they f'in kidding? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 24 23:11:58 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Fred G on Fri May 22 11:22:09 2009. What does Ann Coulter have to do with Long Island City or a trainyard? I didn't know she had a position on diesel engines in a trainyard. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 25 06:49:33 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 24 23:11:58 2009. I referred to the use of the term "limousine liberal" and bringing that into the conversation. Sorry that it went over your head. l Maybe you should read the post I'm referring to and the one before that before you comment.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 25 07:28:30 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Fred G on Mon May 25 06:49:33 2009. My my, up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? |
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