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Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2 |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Feb 13 11:12:08 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 00:14:18 2009. now people get arrested for anything even for Finding a wallet on the floor to money. Remember when the cops started to Trap people by putting wallets and julery and money on the Floor and if someone Picks it up you get Fined or arrested. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Fri Feb 13 11:18:16 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 00:14:18 2009. There are buget cuts in the NYPD. Perhaps the cops are trying to meet their quota. |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Feb 13 11:19:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Feb 13 11:09:30 2009. I sometime ask the officer if I could take a picture if they are really close by the spot to take picture.Sometime cops are cool with you but it depends how cool you are with them by not argueing or talking bad. Remember depending on your actions is the way a cop is going to treat you. alot of cops are trained to be assholes. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 13 11:26:52 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Feb 13 11:09:30 2009. >>>>The cops were clearly wrong.<<<You can't really say that, you weren't there. Remember, there are 3 sides to every story, my side, your side and what really happened and we have only heard from one side. BTW, welcome back. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 11:27:32 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 11:09:31 2009. The LION made a booklet of his pictures and layout.A REAL (harmless) foamer would be all over the cop showing him his album of fine work, bore them to death with R-numbers. The last pages of my little booklet had copies of the rules and other information. I have spare copies of my book and am happy to give them to the cops and others. Last trip to the city A couple of cops spoke with me (I was called in by the T/O but then I was taking photos through his cab to the RFW to make some time exposures of tunnel lights. Show your great work to the cops, they will get bored and want to be rid of you as soon as possible. If you want to see or download the booklet .pdf Remember that it was intended to be printed on each side of a 11x17 page and folded down to its proper size. http://monks/assumptionabbey.com/Photos/2008.pdf ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 11:32:13 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 11:27:32 2009. Poor LION mistyped his own darn URL. Here the the correct URL to my booklet.http://monks.assumptionabbey.com/Photos/2008.pdf (Long download... no dial-up) ROAR |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 11:44:26 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Feb 13 02:53:23 2009. Almost cetainly the assumption is that the SCA-types might have connections in high places which might make life difficult for the cop. Those of us who do not fit the SCA profile are fair game, though, as we do not appear to have access to the resources or influence necessary to make a cop think twice.I wonder how an SCA-type would actually behave if he was forced off a train, had to sit quietly while the cop asked him if he'd ever been arrested before, and ran his name through the system for warrants. I'd like to see if such a person would get arrested for Contempt Of Cop...because I seriously doubt if an SCA could obediently keep his mouth shut if he were stopped for a minor infraction like passing between subway cars... |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 13 11:46:19 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:46:55 2009. I had no problems when I was in New York last month. Come to think of it, the last times I had anyone tell me no photos was in May of last year. In London, a station employee on the opposite platform said photography was illegal. I apologized, walked to the far end of the platform, and proceeded to photograph from there. (I also had at least one instance where an employee came up to me and asked to make sure my flash was turned off but said that my photography was legal, and other posters on here have reported similar incidents.) A few weeks earlier, in Rome, a security guard told me that photography was illegal, so I apologized, told him I wouldn't take any more photos, and went on my way. Turned out those would be my last photos of the day, not because he told me photography was illegal, but because I was done railfanning for the day before he stopped me and just continued with my plan to get back to my place. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Feb 13 11:47:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 10:44:01 2009. I don't stay in one place too long anymore either.me too rich P ! i fire off for a little while then book off to the next location come back if i missed something but never ''hang around one location'' too long unless i am on the streets and not on transit property anywhere yes sir |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 11:48:02 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Feb 13 11:12:08 2009. "Operation Lucky Bag" is currently the subject of several court challenges, because merely picking up a wallet or bag is NOT a crime. IIRC, you have up to ten days to either turn it in or place it in a mailbox. As an alternative, if you discover identifying information in the wallet or bag, you can return it to the owner yourself.For a crime to take place, the cop has to actually see you pick up the wallet and remove cash or credit cards from it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 11:53:51 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 11:44:26 2009. because I seriously doubt if an SCA could obediently keep his mouth shut if he were stopped for a minor infraction like passing between subway cars...Wrong. People who make that kind of money already know the diplomatic ways of dealing with people. Once my father was caught speeding. He thanked the officer for stopping him. ROAR |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 12:00:17 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 11:53:51 2009. Granted, some SCA's might be diplomatic, but, remember what SCA actually stands for... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 13 12:01:39 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Feb 13 02:53:23 2009. No. They just have very good social skills. That's something certain rail buffs don't have. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 13 12:08:14 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 12:00:17 2009. Someone who reads Roissy? :0) |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Feb 13 12:11:39 2009, in response to Correct URL:Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 11:32:13 2009. Very nice! |
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Posted by Robert King on Fri Feb 13 12:16:21 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:16:19 2009. Loitering charge, any charge will do provided the officer leaves enough blank lines in his logbook to fill in later with the required facts.-Robert King |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Fri Feb 13 12:28:33 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 13 11:46:19 2009. Well what is the story in London (and Paris too)...is photography legal as long as you don't use a flash? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 12:28:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 13 11:26:52 2009. As I see it as soon as a cop says that photography in the subway is illegal he/she is wrong. There is no other side to that part of the story. |
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Posted by vfrt on Fri Feb 13 12:39:29 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 12 22:19:33 2009. You mean CALL BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, savior or America and all that is good!Actually, even to a right-winger like me, putting someone in handcuffs over a photo rule infraction is a bit much, a summons would have been enough. But rtype3995 should NOT have posted the officers names/badge#s either. Maybe subway/rail/bus photographers should carry around a copy of the MTA's photo rules. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Feb 13 12:43:57 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 10:29:03 2009. In an infamous incident in Philly, the cops beat up three photographers and arrested them for assault & battery on a police officer and resisting arrest. At their trial, even the Police Commissioner testified against them. Dozens of cops perjured themselves.What they hadn't known was that there were four photographers. The fourth had videotaped the whole incident. Upon viewing the tape, the judge threw out the charges against the photographers. The cops and DA were livid because they didn't get convictions. None of the cops was arrested or charged for assault & battery, perjury, or anything. I suspect justice is similar in many cities. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 12:47:12 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by chuchubob on Fri Feb 13 12:43:57 2009. Got a link to this? My interest has been peaked ... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 13:01:04 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 12:28:35 2009. True, but you will not change his mind. If you fight with him, then starting a fight with a cop *is* a crime.Take down the info and send a letter of complaint to every person in his chain of command. RAOR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 13:02:26 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by vfrt on Fri Feb 13 12:39:29 2009. Nothing wrong with posting the officer's identification.He is a public person performing a public function. He needs to see himself as others have seen him. ROAR |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri Feb 13 13:36:22 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:46:55 2009. I've had 2 run in with the fuzz in the last couple of years. One only asked to see the pics. The other tried to bait me into a verbal exchange sighting photography is against the law. And this person was from district 12. That was 2 years ago. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Feb 13 13:51:24 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 12:47:12 2009. No. It's an old story. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Fri Feb 13 14:21:04 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009. "I told him on t/a's rules of conduct it says we are....the sargent tells me their rules and t/a's rules are different."That really says it all, doesn't it? The cops think they can not only enforce the law but make it up. They're wrong of course. Good luck with your lawsuit. And, by the way, telling a cop you think he's wrong isn't disorderly conduct. The cops think they not only can make up the law but that they're entitled to deference and politeness as a matter of law. They're wrong there, too. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Feb 13 14:44:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Deaks on Fri Feb 13 08:19:30 2009. Because police officers are human too. You may say something smart to the wrong one and end up shot, choked to death, thrown on the tracks, whatever.Just comply and grieve later. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 13 14:51:37 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Feb 13 14:44:06 2009. For my part, I've never seen anyone hauled off by the cops that didn't deserve it in some fashion. And we're still getting only one side of the story on this board, as bad as the source of that story makes himself look. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Feb 13 14:55:58 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 13 14:51:37 2009. For my part, I've never seen anyone hauled off by the cops that didn't deserve it in some fashion.I have (seen it, not experienced it). |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 14:59:29 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009. The story is getting some attention on the net:Click here |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 15:15:33 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 14:59:29 2009. Great write up |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 13 15:20:22 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Feb 13 02:53:23 2009. I think it's time that some of you rail photographers get together and head down to Freeman St station and start taking those all important photographs and teach these assholes that it's not nice to screw with a transit buff and take JayZeeBMT along to make sure those two dipshits are there, safety in numbers is the name of this game. Karl M |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 15:23:38 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 15:15:33 2009. I emailed links to photo rights activists that I know. This needs to go viral on the net just like the Amtrak story did. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 13 15:47:45 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 13 01:45:18 2009. Explaining what you were doing wasn't mouthing off, you must stand up for what you KNOW is right. Karl M |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 13 15:50:15 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Feb 13 08:11:50 2009. LOL...Karl M |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 13 16:07:20 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:26:47 2009. Can we say CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ????? karl M |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Feb 13 16:15:03 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009. a good lawyer will rip this up with a good lawsuitman ! |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 13 16:18:49 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 09:13:46 2009. When do we see the photos ???? Karl M |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 13 18:59:18 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Feb 13 08:24:07 2009. Unless, of course that those cameras are real-time only and there is no recording. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 13 19:18:09 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:03:58 2009. You really gotta feel out the situation, and use some finesse. If the cop is seriously the prick of misery, there's no point in beating up his fist with your face. A reasonable cop will listen and once satisfied that you're a guy with a positive connection to society, will bid farewell. I've encountered both, and have a set of rules for each. I do carry the printed memos, rules, etc so there's something to look at. One thing I do though, even if I'm beating a strategic retreat, is to protest.I have some rules of thumb that seem to work. - If I see police I go over to them rather than wait for them to come to me. - I call them "officer" just like I call others "conductor" or "doctor" or "bartender". Well that last one is more nostalgic ;P - I point out that I'm not with the bad guys. - I tell them what I'm after today, like that there's F trains running on this A line or there's a museum train running on the line, or just that it's Smith-9th, a postcard view. - I carry the rules in case there's debate. I use the same terms I use with clients, like "I'm going to politely disagree" or "I differ with your interpretation" or whatever. There's no point in getting in the guy's face and if he is a prick, I just leave and come back later. There's no such thing as a victory with an officer other than if he buys you a beer. Now, I suggest an immediate call to the ACLU and the retention of legal cousel. Complete agreement. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Clayton on Fri Feb 13 19:28:53 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 14:59:29 2009. Funny, no mention of his CONDUCT. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 13 19:35:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 13 19:18:09 2009. PRECISELY the correct answers. I come from a family of cops, have dealt with strangers, and have never had an untoward outcome or a visit downtown unless I was invited and wanted to show up. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 13 19:36:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 13 00:04:29 2009. Not just the NYPD but sue the officers INDIVIDUALLY as well and very likely in FEDERAL court for civil rights violations. I had an incident (non transit related) with a police officer once where I threatened to sue and his attitude was basically "go ahead, the city has a lot of money." If these officers were compelled to realize that their fancy homes in the suburbs and their fancy cars coulod be taken away from them, they wouldn't act so arrogant. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 13 19:36:54 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mac5689 on Thu Feb 12 23:56:52 2009. Can you say "first amendment?" |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 13 19:44:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 12 21:46:07 2009. I would think that denial of a trial in the absence of paying the fine first would be blatantly unconstitutional. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 13 19:47:24 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 12 23:23:30 2009. Why not send a letter to the Daily News or other NY paper with a short enough description of the incident and with badge numbers included so that the public will see who the individuals who are passing for officers are? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Feb 13 19:50:02 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Feb 13 16:15:03 2009. You like that part huh?Free money! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 13 19:52:18 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Feb 13 14:44:06 2009. Nobody is forcing anybody to become a police officer. There are various motivations for people wanting to get "on the job" but unless an individual wants to be the best law enforcement officer that ever existed for time immemorial, he/she shouldn't even THINK about a career in law enforcement. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 13 19:53:49 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 14:59:29 2009. MTA worker arrested by NYPD for photographing subway trainsLMAO!! You just can't make shit like this up! Holy crap, I had no idea. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 13 19:54:15 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by chuchubob on Fri Feb 13 12:43:57 2009. At that point it's time to bring FEDERAL civil rights charges. |
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