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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 12:41:07 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 12:35:46 2008. That's what I thought as well. Maybe the news crew was a little confused when they reported that. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 12:41:20 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak: 400 Trapped Inside 2 Passenger Trains Near Donner Pass, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 12:39:55 2008. Sorry about the subject change - something wrong with my cache this morning :-( |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 14 12:45:54 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 12:35:46 2008. The metrolink train was on main track leaving station, the UP freight was to have entered the siding.nowhere ecseot in USA, are runout tracks used, the rest of world however has better signaling and cab signaling, avoiding accidents. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 12:51:31 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 14 12:14:07 2008. Most railroads DO NOT have trippers like the subway system has.Some have other positive train control protocols that will stop trains, but they are neither required nor widely implemented. Many railroads do NOT have model boards. Indeed there are VERY FEW interlocking towers west of the Mississippi at all. In most places, if a train needs to move from one track to another, the train will stop, the conductor will climb down and throw the switch by hand. The train will move into the pocket, and stop, while the brakeman climbs down from the caboose to re set the switch to the mane lion. Now can you see the problem here? Trains no longer have cabeese, and so there is no brakeperson to restore the switch. Yes the opposing traian *could* stop and throw their own damn switch, but that is not very productive, and since it is usually the smaller, lighter train that is shunted into the pocket they do not want to stop and restart the heavier train. The conductor could wait for his own train to pass, and then walk back to the locomotive, but out here trains are one mile + long, and they do not want them stopped for that length of time. Enter BNSF and their "semi-automatic" switches. The Conductor climbs down and moves the switch: he actually has to "pump" the switch over against a huge spring or some other device. Then when the train has cleared, the equipment detects this and releases the switch back to its normal position. Pretty cool, eh? BUT NO INTERLOCKING TOWER TO KNOW WHAT SWITCH IS WHICH WAY. Actually BNSF has a central control point in Ft. Worth, Texas, from where the whole railroad is dispatched. (Actually, it *could* be in Bangalore, India for all the equipment knows) Trains are tracked by GPS and displayed on monitors. But this accident did occur in signaled area, and in an area that was dispatched by Metrolink. Obviously the equipment knew immediately of the problem and undoubtedly dropped the signals (if any) against the UP movement, but what is a train going to do? It takes two miles to stop and the offending train is less than two miles away and accelerating obliviously towards it. The rate of closure was estimated to be between 60 and 80 mph yielding an impact time of about 60 seconds from time of infraction. LION thinks that crews knead to pay attention to signals under penalty of death. ROAR |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 13:57:19 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 12:36:25 2008. That would be counterproductive in places whewre retail and platformms mix (don't know if Metrolink is like that at all). |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Sun Sep 14 13:58:50 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by AlM on Sun Sep 14 10:51:16 2008. The engineer at Chase MD was charged with, IIRC, Manslaughter By Locomotive. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 14:01:03 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 14 10:26:33 2008. Looks like you already know the cause of the wreck...And don't take anything railfans do in terms of "shrines" to seriously, THEY probably feel guilty too. And I am thinking that if the switch was set against the metrolink, wouldn't the driver have noticed it? Wouldn't he have felt a BIG BUMP? Also, if the speed limit in that area was 40, He shouldn't have been going that quickly, since the signals leading up to it would have required him to slow down. Think about it... Unless he bypassed all the signals leading up to the red one, he should have been going 20 MPH MAX. And reading about this guy, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT he would pass a home signal without really checking it...the stuff just doesn't add up, sorry. For all we know, he sent the text messages while at a station stop. |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 14:03:23 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 11:47:31 2008. "Cellphones are more reliable. "So long as they are within range of a celltower whose antennas will support that network or roaming for that network. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 14:18:12 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 12:24:59 2008. Take the argument for what it's worth. If some photographers - or passengers or bums or cheetahs or whoever - are doing something that is actually distracting and/or dangerous, ask them to refrain from doing so pursuant to the RRs rules. Pretty simple, if you ask me. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Sep 14 14:49:54 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Sep 14 12:25:37 2008. IAWTP. There is nothing wrong with those railfans texting the engineer even if they thought he may be operating. I would assume that he wouldn't respond until he was in a safe position to do so, such as waiting at the next station. Those fans have nothing to do with this. Unfortunately, it wouldn't surprise me if Metrolink and possibly other rail agencies around the country begin (continue?) to target railfans as threats. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 15:22:39 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 13 23:40:58 2008. I thought one of them zoned out?Correct. The engineer of the coal train failed to pay attention to his track warrant in part because he was on the phone, and the conductor didn't really do his job, either. Both the engineer and conductor of the coal train were critically injured. The other BNSF train's engineer was killed, but his conductor survived rather unscathed. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Sep 14 15:23:20 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 12:36:25 2008. Many Metrolink stations are already not very railfan friendly places.That's why I photograph from overpasses and grade crossings. I've already had two "incidents" with Metrolink security guards when I've tried photographing from platforms. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 15:32:06 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 14:01:03 2008. The approach slow signal was already behind him. But that was irrelevant because he was going to stop at the station anyway. He *should* have stayed there waiting for the UP to clear.Apparently they do not use track warrants in that territory. So he *forgot* that he was still under a restricting aspect when he left the station, he still had the homeball in front of him. Maybe the Railroad *should* text message the signals to him. ROARING |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 15:41:46 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Sep 14 14:49:54 2008. Cloaking devices are not legal in this country, but they should be.In Mexico such cloaking devices were installed in the Cathedral. Reporters once asked the vicar why their cell phones would not work inside the church, and he pointed to the little antennas inside the church that jammed cell phone reception. ROARING |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 15:42:02 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 15:32:06 2008. So he *forgot* that he was still under a restricting aspect when he left the station, he still had the homeball in front of him.Well, do we know that he had a restricting on the distant signal? At all events, he had to be ready to stop at the next signal. Apparently they do not use track warrants in that territory. Correct. I believe that they use a CTC system for dispatching and control of the home signals. Not sure if the distant signal is controlled by CTC too. Maybe the Railroad *should* text message the signals to him. That's probably too high tech for Metrorail and the other outfits out there. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 15:42:23 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 15:32:06 2008. But what about going against the switch? |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 16:07:49 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Sep 13 22:03:24 2008. Good call. They removed the video tributes because they were bombarded with negative comments. |
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What is Current MTA Policy Regarding Cell Phone Usage by Employees?...Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Sep 14 16:10:23 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Zman179 on Sat Sep 13 23:15:29 2008. Can operating people use cell phones while on duty? If cell phone usage is not allowed and you were the Superintendent of Safety & Compliance (that may not be the title, but it would be a position where you would be responsible for making and enforcing safe operations policy), would you adopt a Zero Tolerance Policy? If so, how would you enforce it? |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 16:10:27 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 13 22:07:22 2008. When I was a teenager I lived on Long Island (in the late '70s/early '80s!), but rode the LIRR every day to the Stevenson School on CPW. I got to know many of the LIRR crews, and used to talk with the engineers all the way into the city. One fine morning, I was at the RFW on an M-1 train talking with the E/R when we approached Woodside, a scheduled stop, at the MAS. I asked the E/R, "Hey, aren't we supposed to stop at Woodside?" "Oh Sh*t!" He crashed on the air and only overshot the platform by about six cars...everybody had to walk back to get off the train.That was all the tutelage I needed about distracting T/O's or E/Rs while operating...I never did find out how badly the E/R got chewed out for that one, poor man. But he continued to be friendly with me, and from that day on, we BOTH looked out for stations VERY carefully... |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 16:18:10 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 13 23:25:24 2008. Yeah but we are running a bit askew, are we not? We were not talking about cell phones. We were talking about texting which, in my opinion, is far more distracting. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 14 16:20:57 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 14 10:06:43 2008. I think a lot will depend on who initiated the texting. If the railfans sent the first text to the engineer, you can be assured that the railroad and the federal & local authorities will find a way to say that the railfans distracted the engineer and go try to prosecute them.We can argue on this from now until forever - why not just wait to see what unfolds. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 16:21:51 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 16:18:10 2008. I don't know why the engineer could not use a Blue Tooth. Unless thats also against the rules. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 16:25:04 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Allan on Sun Sep 14 16:20:57 2008. Prosecute them?!? It's not against the law to send a text message. As others have said it's the engineers fault if he allowed himself to be distracted. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 14 16:42:31 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 16:21:51 2008. again , any use of electronic devices other than those provided by the company are prohibited.The use of Cellphones by anyone at controls of a moving locomotive is prohibited. on some railroads even the Conductor is not allowed to use Cellphones. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Sep 14 17:03:58 2008, in response to Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 20:43:55 2008. IMHO it doesn't much matter what the Engineer did or did not do, the accident only serves to underscore the need for positive train control systems on commuter railroads. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:07:52 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 16:10:27 2008. Heh. I distract very easily myself, which is why I leave folks alone when they're doing their thing. Always time at the end of a run to shoot the chit with them ... |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Henri G on Sun Sep 14 17:10:09 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 14 16:42:31 2008. What is the condition of the UP engineer?HRG |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 14 17:14:43 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Henri G on Sun Sep 14 17:10:09 2008. stable with lots of broken bones, Conductor and trainman at home with family |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:20:37 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 16:18:10 2008. But we're also talking about rules and their enforcement. But most importantly, we're talking a situation where an "operator" blew a signal because they were somehow distracted from the "task at hand." When I was down there, I'd even make motor instructors wait until I'd stopped the train before talking to them in the cab. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:21:14 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 16:21:51 2008. You don't get it. The idea is to follow the rules - not to find ways around them. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 17:22:22 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:21:14 2008. I'm not saying to find a way around it. I just thought that a Blue Tooth would have been exception, but Dutchrailnut made a post that corrected me. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:23:19 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:20:37 2008. I don't disagree with you about distractions. My point was just that texting is far more distracting than talking on a cell phone and we were getting away from the original issue. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:26:09 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:21:14 2008. Just waiting for (sl)Easy or JSKC to come up with another of their predictably idiotic analysis of this incident. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 17:29:29 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 17:07:52 2008. I learned that too...I'm glad I did. I can't imagine how anyone drives a CAR while texting, let alone attempts to operate a train. However, the NTSB is saying today, that it will be well into next year before they release a report...so we'll see what the final verdict on this is then.Meanwhile, I'm sure Metrolink is telling all its crews "Thou shalt not text. Ye are answerable with thy head for execution of this order." |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 17:30:41 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 17:22:22 2008. An exception to what?We want the train's engineer to be 100% in control of his train's movements, not taking personal calls or texting or checking the Mets v. braves score or listening to his voicemail, etc. The principle behind the rules forbidding use of electronic devices is that the engineer shouldn't be distracted by that which isn't duty related. Safe operation of a train is an important enough job that distraction shouldn't have to enter into it for excitement. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 17:31:31 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:26:09 2008. There was no railfan. The engineer was texting Sarah Palin.You mean like that? |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 17:31:45 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 15:42:23 2008. Guess what!Switches break when run against. ROAR |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 17:34:34 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 17:31:45 2008. Unless you are trailing a spring switch. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 17:52:14 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Allan on Sun Sep 14 16:20:57 2008. This does not matter. If the engineer did not have his cell phone with him or had it turned off then he could not be distracted by it. It does not matter if it was a railfan, or his grandmother, the message would be waiting for him when he turned his phone on again.ROAR |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 18:03:56 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 17:34:34 2008. Yes, this is so, but I don't *think* a spring switch was used at this location.ROAR |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 18:09:08 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 12:04:58 2008. Most studies show that it's not the physical manipulation of a cellphone while driving which increases the danger, it's just the act of making a call, preventing the driver from focusing on the road. Bluetooth and voice activated calling won't help much. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 18:10:20 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 17:31:45 2008. I know that, but would it be noticeable? Like a noticeable jolt. He was riding on the first trucks, after all. |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Sep 14 18:18:15 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 12:05:09 2008. The Nextels that NJT provides their trainmen do have text capabilities. It's not "user friendly", however. It takes forever for a text to be received or transmitted, compared to a "normal" cell phone. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 14 18:22:17 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: But should we jump to conclusions?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 18:10:20 2008. no because the wheels slide the switch out of way, there is no jolt, only either a broken or bend switch rod at the switch machine. |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Sep 14 18:38:55 2008, in response to It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Sun Sep 14 08:13:28 2008. I actually personally called the MBTA dispatching center after observing a B/O txting while driving a bus.The dispatcher asked me how I got that number. I told him I have a Light Rail Division rule book. |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Sun Sep 14 18:58:24 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 14 10:48:20 2008. Problem with a cell-phone jammer for the cab is, that when the radio is on the fritz (dead spot, not working, etc.) it is exceedingly common to resort to personal cellphones for official business. Against policy, yes, but they gotta keep those buses and trains moving... |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Sep 14 19:12:52 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 14 10:48:20 2008. Since when were you a lawyer? |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Sep 14 19:23:25 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Sep 14 09:29:48 2008. Yeah, the same crap goes on at NJ Transit. And it's usually conversations with husbands/wives/girlfriends/boyfriends.What did these Fu%&#&G a$$%&%@$ do years ago when there were no cell phones? I seem to recall that life rolled along nicely back then. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Sep 14 19:26:18 2008, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 12:38:32 2008. But in the MBTA Riverside case, cell phone was determined to be a contributory factor. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Sep 14 19:28:20 2008, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by WillD on Sun Sep 14 17:03:58 2008. the need for positive train control systems on commuter railroads.Why not just cab signals, or an electronic trip stop system like those on the NJT RiverLine? Why is PTC automatically necessary? PTC is one of those pie in the sky waste of money ideas. Kind of like the "IVHS" cars-drive-themselves system that was prototyped in the 70's and the 80's. |
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