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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 6 21:53:41 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:43:17 2008. So what your saying is the hell with private property lets nationalize ??Viva la Communisme ?? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 6 21:54:41 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:15:01 2008. Okay...What does anything You said have to do with rail? Young man..you need to take a serious "mind cut" from your personal brand of "dickoslap"... Perhaps a long nap might help...whatever the case MAY BE..a vacation is in order for You to get your mind right. |
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Ok, i was wrong. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:56:04 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 18:00:08 2008. Ok, now that i think about it, i have never ridden in a Flex Liner, so i guess i can't say if they are well built or not. What i can say though is that they are UGLY. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 21:58:27 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 18:47:07 2008. You do realize passengers and crew pass through the cab ends of the Arrow III's, don't you? You know, where they don't have the rubber diaphragm around the end door. Yeah, and they get exposed to the weather whenever they do. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Aug 6 21:59:36 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 6 21:54:41 2008. IAWTP |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 6 22:10:07 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 6 21:53:41 2008. Of all the people here, aren't you the last one to say that NS, SNCB and SNCF are communism? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 22:13:15 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by 156n3rd on Wed Aug 6 19:41:11 2008. I agree. It's time we had something brand new. I like Stockholm's newest cars with their radically different cab ends. They have a centered cab, while their older cars had cabs off to one side.Compare these:   Wouldn't it be great if we had new subway cars that looked something like this? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 22:13:47 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 19:27:18 2008. Yes we do. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 22:17:37 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 6 21:53:41 2008. We spend lots of public money for highways, airports and seaports. Why should rail be any different? I'm definitely NOT saying "the hell with private property", but if the feds are going balk at building railroads with public money, then they should do the same with other forms of transportation. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 22:20:05 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 22:13:15 2008. No, it would not be great.The car in the first photo is far more appealing, and may i ask what the advantage of a center console is? Other than adding more complexity. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Aug 6 22:22:59 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 22:13:15 2008. I wholeheartedly agree. New rolling stock in New York City seems to be built according to design standards a number of decades old. I don't see why that can't be changed.Note that in the second photo, the front window has a removable center panel allowing for emergency egress when needed. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 6 22:27:47 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:27:36 2008. I really do not like how US kid sizes forces you with age. My son will be seven this weekend but he has to wear clothes of 4 to 5. It hurts his feelings. Europe and Japan do it by height in metrics (110-120cm).Oh yeah my pants are 14-16 and my coats 18-20. Large Americans will have a hard time finding clothes in Asia though. And one more time, those bucket seats on the Kawasaki R62 cars are the same size as the R44's so don't put the blame on our size. :) |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 6 22:38:22 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 22:20:05 2008. How does a center console add complexity? NYCTA isn't going to let you walk between cars anyway, so you could just as easily put in an offset door like the Berlin H stock cars. That small inconvenience is more than made up for in the much easier OPTO implementation and visibility when the cab is mounted in the center. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 6 22:53:52 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 6 22:10:07 2008. The difference was that the National railways of Netherlands and Belgium and France did not nationalize because they wanted too.The National railroads took over railroads that could not run at a profit and were about to go belly up. There is not one Freight railroad that is about to go belly up in USA so there is a big difference. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Aug 6 22:57:58 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:33:05 2008. Why did you post this screed, which is rife with ad hominem attacks and horrible intolerance?Somebody needs to take the pacifier out of YOUR mouth, with force... Sorry, I just had to vent, Subchatters. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 6 23:00:18 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 19:24:12 2008. Actually it was my experience that in general the regional and intercity trains operated the same tracks as the freight network. Yes the high speed rail lines are dedicated, but as soon as a train gets off the HSL you can pass a number of freights. It helps that the Europeans run much smaller freight trains, but part of that is a consequence of their weaker couplers. We'll see if they use the distributed power systems developed here in the states to intersperse locomotives throughout trains and reduce coupler stress. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 23:00:25 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 6 22:53:52 2008. There were 4-6 that did when Amtrak was created. Conrail later took over those 6 railroads. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 23:00:54 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Aug 6 22:57:58 2008. This thread is on the Barge anyway. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 23:02:20 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Aug 6 22:57:58 2008. Fooled me. Especially SINCE I WROTE the post, and i DIDN'T ATTACK ANYONE. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 6 23:10:37 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 6 20:48:21 2008. the Flexliners tested in the US were not Danish other than by manufacturer, the cars Amtrak tested belonged to Isreaeli railways.The Flexliner was developed from the DSB's projects to create a railcar which would integrate electric or diesel propulsion. Thus I'd say it is a Danish design regardless of what country it is operating in or was constructed in. What door says Amtrak ? This door: 
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 23:10:47 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 23:02:20 2008. You made it sound like you hate Israel repeatedly in this thread and used a 5-letter p-word twice in that post. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:24:52 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by metropod on Wed Aug 6 21:07:34 2008. If I wrap those hands tightly around the brake handle, and move it JUST right... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:27:55 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:33:05 2008. DIAF. Soon. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:30:59 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:44:53 2008. You other post was full of very nicely veiled hatred of anyone who wasn't you. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:33:24 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 22:20:05 2008. Right, shoeboxes make the best subway cars. Progress must stop, at all costs! |
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Re: Ok, i was wrong. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:36:13 2008, in response to Ok, i was wrong., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:56:04 2008. That's your non-offensive opinion, and you're entitled to it. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:38:08 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Aug 6 22:17:37 2008. I was going to say, it seems to work for every other mode of transportation. An open infrastructure that is open to any user, in some cases, subject to payment of a fee for use. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:45:45 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 6 22:27:47 2008. The true story on that was they cut the seats so that they could squeeze in some more, the Japanese small-ass theory has long ago passed as an urban legend. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Aug 6 23:47:29 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:45:45 2008. I still hear it repeated all of the time, so I would disagree that the story disappeared; it's alive and well. But we are agreed that the story is false. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 6 23:58:13 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Aug 6 15:22:49 2008. It is possible the MTA could go to a full length walk-through design by ordering four car articulated trainsets with a cab at one end and a blind end at the other. The blind end could be fitted with a coupling to another R179 set and provide a full width articulated gangway between the two trainsets. Thus the MTA could end up with a full length 8 car train with only the thinnest of doors to contain passenger noise or smell without requiring them to maintain fixed trainsets longer than 4 or 5 cars.The end of the #4 car could end up looking much like the coupling between the Berlin S-bahn 481 and 482 cars. The only change I could see being made, other than those to reflect the difference between the NYCTA subway system 60 or 75 foot B division car and a BVG S-bahn car, would be to include some form of Conductor's stand in there. The rear of a Berlin 481 class EMU: 
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Aug 7 04:37:31 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 19:59:25 2008. The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Aug 7 08:02:03 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 23:00:25 2008. Again comparing 40 years ago with today ?? And despite Conrail at time being operated by federal government is not same as nationalizing railroads, conrail was privatized too and broken up. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Aug 7 08:03:13 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by WillD on Wed Aug 6 23:10:37 2008. That door was not part of your original pictures. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 09:31:18 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 23:10:47 2008. I don't hate Israel. It is more complex than that, and you know it. We are involved too. Let us end it there. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Aug 7 09:40:12 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 09:31:18 2008. WRONG! 100% WRONG! |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 7 14:43:23 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 6 21:54:41 2008. What does anything You said have to do with rail?Nothing, so ignoring it might have been the best option. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 7 14:46:29 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Aug 7 08:03:13 2008. It is quite clearly there in the original picture. Even you can't pretend that it isn't.... |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 7 14:53:18 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 17:07:07 2008. The only bad thing about those rubber-nosed things is that the diesel engined type has an automatic transmission arrangement similar to a bus rather than a hydraulic or electric transmission. When I have ridden them the shift quality is poor and the car jerks slightly when the shift is made. Apart from that they are OK. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 7 15:44:38 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 7 14:46:29 2008. The door was, but not one painted for Amtrak. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu Aug 7 16:53:06 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Ken S. on Wed Aug 6 19:44:12 2008. No. As I mentioned, I just responded to the lead in and jumped in midway. I didn't want to get yelled at for not reading every single post. There are nazis and police eveywhere on the interent. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 18:41:37 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 7 14:53:18 2008. yup, i read about their mechanical transmissions. But didn't the BUDD RDCs have automatic transmissions too? Or were they hydraulic? Something tells me they were mechanical. However, the BUDD SPVs had such jerky transmissions, as those described flexliners do, and they were considered to be duds. Other than that, the bodies of those railcars were well made, and robust, and similar BUDD trailer cars are still in service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 7 20:50:44 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:33:05 2008. Wooooooow...Just wooow. If Brian were here..he would have told you to "DIAF...."and soon. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Aug 7 21:13:49 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 7 20:50:44 2008. Someone did. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 21:16:35 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 7 20:50:44 2008. First of all, the topic was dead for almost a day, and also, what does "DIAF" mean? |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Aug 7 21:19:46 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 21:16:35 2008. Die In A Fire. You are a moron, please stop watching my show. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Aug 7 21:22:12 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:33:05 2008. You all fucked up in the head! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 21:27:38 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Aug 7 21:22:12 2008. OK guy, you are just kicking up farts....and they were settling down. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Aug 7 21:27:58 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Aug 7 21:22:12 2008. He needs to be committed to Creedmoor or Attica. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Aug 7 21:28:37 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 21:27:38 2008. I just got on subchat, it's gonna be lots of kicking around! |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Aug 7 21:29:00 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 21:27:38 2008. No they weren't. You keep making stupid posts. You must have an IQ lower then Homer Simpson. |
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