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NJ, PA Politicians discussing NJT to Easton PA

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 01:08:37 2008

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Politicians are sure getting chatty about rail service restorations. Who knows what they'll come up with next?

Morning Call

Vision of Easton-NYC train service discussed

Preliminary talks suggest a panel to find funding.

By Jarrett Renshaw | Of The Morning Call
June 13, 2008

State and local officials from Pennsylvania and New Jersey met at Lafayette College on Thursday to discuss the possibility of providing train service from Easton to New York City.

Officials who attended the meeting were quick to describe the plans as ''preliminary'' and ''informal.'' But they said such train service is much more plausible today thanks to high gas prices driving up demand for public transportation, along with New Jersey Transit's plans to build a new tunnel into Manhattan that would double the number of trains going in and out of the city.

''This is not something that's going to happen soon, or without a lot of work, but I think people are optimistic and are willing to give it a try,'' said Michael Dowd, a vice president with the Greater Lehigh Valley Chamber of Commerce and a Northampton County councilman. He said any plan is still ''years away.''

Roughly 30 people attended the meeting, including Easton Mayor Sal Panto Jr., Phillipsburg Mayor Harry Wyant, state Rep. Bob Freeman, D-Northampton; and representatives from the offices of state Sen. Rob Wonderling, R-Montgomery; U.S. Rep. Charlie Dent, R-15th, and U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., Dowd said.

Panto and Freeman deferred all questions to Dowd. The meeting also included officials from New Jersey Transit, the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission and Lafayette.

Officials interviewed Thursday said they did not discuss specific details, such as the cost of the project. Instead, they focused on potential obstacles and strategies to hurdle them.

Dowd said officials agreed they must form a commission to help identify funding sources and show that NJ Transit support is unified.

Among other things, he said the commission would look at getting NJ Transit access into Pennsylvania, environmental and right-of-way issues and determining which tracks can be used and which need to be repaired or built.

The majority of the meeting was spent discussing a strategy that would help link Phillipsburg with New York City, Dowd said.

''If we don't get the train to Phillipsburg, we are not getting it to Easton,'' Dowd said.

In September, NJ Transit's board approved a $1.2 million study of public transportation improvements in the state's Raritan Valley and Interstate 78 corridor. Among other things, the study — to be completed by the end of the year — will look at the viability of providing train service from Phillipsburg to existing lines at High Bridge or Hackettstown.

''Pending the results of the study and funding resources, we will then decide what the best course is to take,'' said NJ Transit spokesman Joe Dee.

The study does not look at possibly expanding service to Easton, Dee said. Extending the line across state borders will not be easy, he said.

There was a time when passenger train and trolley services connected the Lehigh Valley with New York. Direct passenger service between New York and the Valley ended in 1961.

NJ Transit is also considering introducing a train line along the Interstate 80 corridor from Scranton to Hoboken, N.J., and then to Manhattan. NJ Transit officials said the timeline for construction of that line will depnd on available funding.

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NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 01:56:36 2008, in response to NJ, PA Politicians discussing NJT to Easton PA, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 01:08:37 2008.

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Ironic how one story talks about possibly re-extending Raritan Valley Line service while the other talks about cutting existing Raritan Valley line service.

Asbury Park Press Story

Advocate rails against train cuts
LESS SERVICE AS OF AUG. 3
By Larry Higgs • STAFF WRITER • June 12, 2008


NEWARK — Rail advocates blasted NJ Transit officials at Wednesday's board of directors meeting for train service cuts scheduled to take effect in August.

The changes, to start Aug. 3, include:

Consolidation of some off-peak and midday North Jersey Coast Line trains. However, shuttle train service between Bay Head and Long Branch will be available.

Consolidation of "a pair of trains" on each of the Morris and Essex branch lines in the off-peak hours.

A switch to bi-hourly service on the Raritan Valley Line on Sunday morning, with parallel service on the No. 113 bus route from Dunellen offered as an alternative.

NJ Transit Executive Director Richard Sarles said the changes are being made to shift equipment and resources to where the demand is. He said the changes will provide 8,000 more seats, in conjunction with more new, multilevel rail cars entering service, allowing the redeployment of single-level cars.

"What you'll see is . . . there is increased demand on service to midtown New York and we're using our resources to meet it," Sarles said after the meeting. "We want to get the capacity to where the demand is."

Sarles said the cuts were made on trains with low ridership and low demand.

But advocates charged that NJ Transit created the conditions for those declines by targeting off-peak riders with a 25 percent fare increase in 2005. That caused ridership to drop, said David Peter Alan, chairman of the Lackawanna Coalition, a nonprofit commuter-advocacy organization.

"When NJ Transit eliminated half of the weekend trains to and from Hoboken without notice in 2006, I predicted further service cuts. When management raised off-peak fares in 2005, I predicted they'd use the ensuing decline in ridership as an excuse to eliminate service," Alan said. "That was 20 months ago. You've removed our mobility."

Some Coast Line riders have voiced concern to the Asbury Park Press that they've been told they'll lose their NJ Transit connection to Hoboken, meaning they'll have to make additional connections between the New York City subway and PATH trains to get to work.

"These are off-peak and reverse-peak trains," Sarles said of the Coast Line changes. "We are trying to match capacity to demand."

Alan told the board that NJ Transit violated state law by making service cuts without holding a public hearing first and called for the changes to be rolled back until such hearings are held for riders to comment.

"I don't know what's worse, the severity of the cuts or that it was done in secret," Alan said. "It makes no sense making midday cuts when the price of gas is so high."

Alan said these cuts affect riders who either don't have a car or can't drive for medical or other reasons and are dependent on NJ Transit. Some of them ride the train to and from work in the reverse direction of the rush-hour crowd, and now face a longer wait, he said.

"We are making sure that service is maintained for transit-dependent riders," Sarles said.

Sarles said increased ridership has helped NJ Transit keep up with rising prices of diesel fuel, but said it still has to manage its budget.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 09:20:53 2008, in response to NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 01:56:36 2008.

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At this rate, NJT can work on their cuts for the next cycle too. Richard Sarles' tenure and agenda at NJT reminds me of what contemporaneous reports said about David Yunich: all too eager to cut service, raise fares, and then expect ridership to increase.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 11:20:31 2008, in response to NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 01:56:36 2008.

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Bye bye 8:30 AM Hoboken-Bay Head and 14:20 Bay Head-Hoboken :(

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 11:24:08 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 09:20:53 2008.

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The main problem is that NJT is currently run by incompetent former Amtrak people whose claim to fame was almost running Amtrak into the ground. The only reason they are at NJT is because the idiot Warrington brought them over with him when he became executive director. Even though Warrington eventually resigned and ultimately passed away, it doesn't look like the others will follow suit in a similarly timely fashion.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 11:26:07 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 11:24:08 2008.

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Unless Mr. Christie's office finds some reason to force them out and into Club Fed for a few years.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 11:31:26 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 11:26:07 2008.

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Incompetence isn't illegal.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 11:32:41 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 11:31:26 2008.

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It's immoral, though.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 11:56:21 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 11:31:26 2008.

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But cutting service, raising fares (it's gonna happen), and giving themselves a nice, hefty pay raise (also gonna happen) may be illegal.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 12:12:39 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 11:56:21 2008.

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No it's not.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 12:14:33 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 12:12:39 2008.

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Misuse of public funds isn't a crime? Also, who knows if the NJT BOD is double-dipping or taking unauthorized free perks.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 12:59:07 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 11:56:21 2008.

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Not under any law that I know of. To be sure, there is a political remedy for directors of a public transit agency not performing up to par. If there is a belief that the performance of NJT directors is rather below expectations, the political remedy may be employed.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 13:02:10 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 12:14:33 2008.

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Look, if someone is incompetent in office, you remove them for that reason. Simple and straightforward, and you communicate your intentions to the public in a fully transparent matter.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 16:35:11 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 11:20:31 2008.

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Talk about utter stupidity.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 16:35:53 2008, in response to NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 01:56:36 2008.

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Why did you hijack my thread? This is completely unrelated.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jun 14 16:48:25 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 12:14:33 2008.

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If misuse of public funds is a crime, shouldn't more than half of Congress be indicted by now, with all this pork barrel, earmarks and wasteful spending?

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 16:51:19 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 16:35:53 2008.

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I wanted to point out the irony of a proposal to add service to a line where they are in the process of cutting service.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:05:11 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 16:35:11 2008.

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Although I think those two runs are necessary equipment moves. Midday Bay Head shuttle service is usually supplied by two consists, a three car train which always runs as a shuttle (I believe it's layed up in Bay Head at night and is used on the first morning shuttle-only to Long Branch) and a 6 car train which runs to Hoboken in the AM, becomes the 8:30 express, does a round trip as a shuttle only and then runs back to Hoboken at 2:20 so it can become a peak train back to Bay Head, I assume laying up for the night out there afterwards.

I have no idea how or when they could refuel it, though.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:06:30 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 16:51:19 2008.

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I got it.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 14 17:10:39 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:05:11 2008.

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IIRC, Bay Head has a fueling facility.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:12:44 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:06:30 2008.

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I'm glad somebody did. :-)

It's crazy! First, on May 11th they eliminated 4 RVL weekend/holiday trains plus they eliminated the weekend/holiday RVL service between Newark and Hoboken.

Now, they're talking about possibly (re)-extending RVL service to Phillipsburg and Easton?


Does not compute.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:18:37 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 14 17:10:39 2008.

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Not any more. A few years back, NJT was proposing to re-build the fuel pad at Bay Head Yard. The NIMBY's next to the yard all of a sudden decided that they no longer wanted the fuel pad located there. Even though it's been there for a couple of hundred years. At first NJT tried to fight it, and they actually won! But the wimps and ass-kissers that they are, NJT decided to be "good neighbors" and appease the idiots. As a result, the engines have to travel all the way to Hoboken or Raritan to be fueled.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:21:06 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:12:44 2008.

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It does to me, but you might not like what I think it computes to.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:22:30 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:21:06 2008.

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Political kick backs?

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:22:55 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:18:37 2008.

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Perhaps that's why only NJCL diesels get to go to Hoboken during peak times.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:28:11 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:22:55 2008.

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Well, at one time NJT was concerned with transporting passengers during peak times. :-)

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:31:24 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:22:30 2008.

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Nope, racism.

Look at the services they are cutting. Off peak. Weekend. Reverse peak. Intermediate. I've ridden enough NJT trains to know that on many lines, especially on the M&E and RVL lines, the bulk of this traffic is not caucasian. NJT officials only care about those who ride peak trains between points in Jersey and Manhattan.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:43:13 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:31:24 2008.

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Ironically, train 5505 (the 2:05 am RVL from Newark on Friday and Saturday nights) was overwhelmingly Caucasian. That train comprised mainly of "party" people from Westfield and Cranford. The balance of the ridership was lower class whites who got off at Dunellen, Bridgewater, and Somerville. There wer very few "minorities" on that particular train.

And that was one of the first trains they eliminated back in May.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 17:51:14 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:31:24 2008.

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My feeling is that these trains are being cut because they have been projected to save more on crew costs per rider. I also notice that at a time when LIRR is hiring conductors and engineers, when MNR is hiring engineers, NJT is hiring neither.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jun 14 17:59:06 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 17:51:14 2008.

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I also notice that at a time when LIRR is hiring conductors and engineers

Some LIRR HR reps were at my community college's career fair looking for employees. Apparently, by showing them a resume, I'm on an absurdly long list of applicants for the assistant conductors position. It's highly unlikely that I'd get the job since I'm unwilling to put up with the unpaid training. Plus, the scheduling interferes with school, and there's no way I could pass the physical...

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 18:12:56 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jun 14 17:59:06 2008.

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Assistant Conductor with LIRR is, I think, a very lucrative opportunity, if one's at peace with the customer interaction, and especially at the start, probably very odd hours and job locations. For someone just finishing up school, though, it's a pretty good opportunity for a fairly secure position, if you can get hired.

The unpaid training is a downer, but after that, from what I've heard, the pay scale is pretty good, although as I said, hours and locations of one's preference will either occur in the early years either by good luck or lots of people ahead of you taking early retirement.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jun 14 19:50:49 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:43:13 2008.

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Westfield and Cranford (especially the former) are more upscale suburbs.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 20:04:50 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jun 14 19:50:49 2008.

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Yes, I know. That's why I specified that the "lower class" (only financially) of people went to those other stations.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 21:00:38 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:43:13 2008.

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What's "Caucasian"?

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 21:01:41 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:43:13 2008.

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Late night trains are an exception. But I'll bet the bulk of the riders were young. Right below minorities would be off peak young riders.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 21:02:46 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 17:51:14 2008.

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I agree, but the question is WHY are they cutting the particular trains they are cutting.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 21:05:20 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 13:02:10 2008.

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Unfortunately, the voters can't remove the NJT BOD from their offices. That's the problem.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 21:08:21 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 16:51:19 2008.

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OK, I got you. But notice it's a different group in each case, though.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 21:08:42 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Ken S. on Sat Jun 14 21:05:20 2008.

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The voters elect politicians who have power over NJT's executives. The accountability is there, albeit indirect.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 14 21:15:34 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 17:31:24 2008.

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I have to agree in part. I do think this is related to NJT's need to move more equipment to NY-bound service, but what makes it easier to do is that the people who ride the cut trains, as you've noted, are lower-income and minorities. I notice the story originated in Asbury Park - no surprise.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 21:45:22 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 21:00:38 2008.

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I guess this answers your question.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 22:57:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 21:45:22 2008.

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That's a phony designation made up by German scientists. The Caucasus is not by any means the source of "white folk".

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 23:01:03 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:18:37 2008.

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A few years back, NJT was proposing to re-build the fuel pad at Bay Head Yard. The NIMBY's next to the yard all of a sudden decided that they no longer wanted the fuel pad located there. Even though it's been there for a couple of hundred years

They didn't have diesels over a hundred years ago. They were using K4s Pacifics on the PRR's NY&LB trains out of Exchange Place in the 40s and 50s, too (and CNJ was using its own Wootten firebox Pacifics out of Jersey City, too).

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 23:01:40 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:28:11 2008.

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Things seem to have gone more mad under Sarles than under the late Warrington.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 15 00:50:01 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:18:37 2008.

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Wow, I have some feeling that that community may have "connections", and forced NJT to close it and make it look like they just did it to just be considerate, although that's probably just crazy talk.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 15 11:12:53 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:12:44 2008.

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Wait, so the only service to the HOB on the weekends are trains from Waldwick, Spring Valley, Suffern, and Port Jervis? That sucks big time, they didn't even compensate by giving RVL rush hour service to Hoboken.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 15 12:23:52 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 15 11:12:53 2008.

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There's a shuttle to Hoboken from Newark Broad which runs every two hours.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 15 15:14:28 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:12:44 2008.

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I told you guts to expect more cuts. The RVL added 2 Sunday round-trips about 10 years ago to form hourly service. They are basically cutting everything they have added.

Expect some High Bridge trains to go at some future time. They just added them. It's too soon to cut them. That would be like admitting a mistake.

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 15 15:15:43 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 14 17:43:13 2008.

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How many people would you say rode that 2:05am train out of Newark ?

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Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 16:17:44 2008, in response to Re: NJT Proposing More Service Cuts On RVL, Coast Line, and M & E, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 15 15:15:43 2008.

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How many people ride 24-hour LIRR trains . . . ?

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