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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 20 12:42:52 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 20 12:27:49 2008. With the exception of the G, does any line run trains shorter than platform length? I don't even think they cut trains during off-hours anymore.C route - all trains are 480' long. And then there are the shuttles, Rockaway Park, Myrtle Av, etc. Until a few years ago, the 3 route ran shorter trains. For a short while recently, there were 10-car trains on the Flushing Line, which can handle 11 cars. Technically, some platforms, especially on the ex-IND, are rather longer than 600', but the days of 11 car trains in service on the lettered routes ended a long time ago, from what I've heard. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 20 13:48:24 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 20 12:42:52 2008. I was excluding shuttles; didn't know about the C. Other than being short cars, any reason for it? |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 20 14:05:44 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 20 13:48:24 2008. Other than being short cars, any reason for it?I'm not sure about whether or not they could meet car requirements with 10-car C trains, but it probably saves quite a lot of money over the long term to put less mileage on trains, and since the same trains can potentially remain on the route for a while, there's no need to add or cut cars daily. C route uses 480' R32 or R38 trains, occasionally a mix. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 20 14:42:52 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 20 12:42:52 2008. And the M when running past Broad St. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 20 15:19:47 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 20 14:42:52 2008. Good point - I forgot about that one. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jun 20 22:26:23 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 20 13:48:24 2008. The reason is that the C line doesn't require full length trains to meet service requirements. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jun 20 22:29:18 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jun 20 11:44:34 2008. Um, what stop does the (9) make that the (1) doesn't? |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jun 20 23:26:21 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jun 20 22:29:18 2008. Why, none of course. But the (1) will make many stops that the (9) does not, and thus the different number prevents confusion. If you see a (9) train, you know it will not stop at South Ferry. And *that* is rather important.North bound less so. You can get on this (9) train and change for a (1) at Dyckman Street, or you can wait for the same (1) where you already are. ROAR |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jun 20 23:29:42 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jun 20 23:26:21 2008. It works the same southbound. Lots of lines either have, or have had short turns. OTOH, making a whole different number lends unnecessary confusion. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jun 21 15:20:01 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 20 04:43:21 2008. A couple of points:Right now under construction directly in front of the Whitehall Ferry Terminal, one can see the tower that will be used for the elevator to the new South Ferry terminal station of the #1 train. This location puts the entrance in terms of walking speed barely seconds toone minute outside of the front doorways of the ferry terminal building. In essence the distance to the new station is fairly close to the ferry terminal building, about on a par or shorter than the distance with the current main entrance to the R and W trains at Whitehall Street. Frankly there is no issue at all about how much distance there is to the #1 subway from the ferry terminal. Outside of the ferry terminal along the scaffolding there are pictures of how the new entrance is designed to look. The proposed #9 train should not be a short-train of 6 six cars for several reasons. 1) Most riders are used to full-length trains on the #1 or old #9 lines. A very short train gives the impression that something is wrong, so many riders may not ride that train wondering where it is going or other fears. 2) Right now, most riders know that they do not have to run down the platform to get on the train - having a mix of very short trains and full length trains on the same set of tracks could be very un-settling for the riders. This is unlike the A and C trains or the old #2 and #3 trains, where 8 car, 9-car and 10-car trains serve those tracks. In all of those cases, the 8-car or 9-car trains were situated in such a way that most riders really do not detect a major difference that is unsettling. For example the L, J, M, and Z trains are all 8-cars in length - meaning that they are full-length trains in regular size stations. 3) If the proposed #9 trains do not stop at South Ferry, is there really a need for short trains? Would not regular length trains serve this task just as well. 4) One reason that the TA does not shorten the trains during the midnight hours as they did a couple of decades ago, was the manpower needed to cut and couple cars to trains on a regular basis. Unless I am mistaken, a full-length train generally stays that way unless there is some kind of mechanical issue with a car that needs repair. Such that most full-length trains remain so for long periods of time, reguiring the simple acts of placing the train into service, cleaning it, storing it in a train-yard, etc. If a set of 6-car short trains regularly travel the lines 5) Unless I am mistaken, but I am sure that others will speak to this point, I thought that the newer IRT-type trains were set up in 5-car units. If so, a 6-car train might take some work to create on a regular basis. Just a few thoughts. Mike |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 21 18:12:49 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jun 21 15:20:01 2008. And there is no reason to have short trains like that anyway.Having some 1 trains short-turn at Dyckman if possible is a very good idea, but aside from that, it is not necessary that you have a different type of train altogether just to distinguish between trains that end or not at the new SF terminal (which if it were up to me would not happen anyway because I would return the old SF station to being a terminal for Lexington line trains not going to Brooklyn, except during rush hours when the old shuttle would be revived between SF and BG, which would only require one train to accomplish). |
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Re: THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!! |
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Posted by Gerry6309 on Tue Jun 24 11:42:58 2008, in response to Re: THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!, posted by Ken S. on Fri Jun 13 11:52:25 2008. I have walked from WTC to South Ferry with a bad knee and a heart condition! No big deal! |
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