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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Jun 14 07:09:37 2008, in response to Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 04:48:49 2008. M/V combo. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 14 09:22:26 2008, in response to Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 04:48:49 2008. I like the idea of the 5 using the outer loop, too. Why not? It's already there. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 09:27:24 2008, in response to Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 04:48:49 2008. I doubt MTA will see it that way. They seem quite certain on closing the station to passenger service. The only way that I can see that the old loop station will remain open for service is if the new station ends up being a huge flop, which it won't be at this point, although into the future, it's designed capacity constraint of 24 tph should come back soon enough to rear its ugly head. The plan for limited capacity is so brilliant that only one person on has defended it, and his claim to either rational intelligence or sanity is quite dubious.I imagine that the loop will see service run past it in certain situations which require alternate routes. But the station itself will almost certainly be closed to passenger service, I think. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 09:51:04 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 14 09:22:26 2008. Continued use of the outer loop would tend to imply that expending millions to construct the new station complex and tunnels was unwise. After all, if the outer loop station isn't so awful and dangerous, why is construction of a new terminal one of NYCT's top capital priorities? |
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Re: SERVICE ALERT south ferry 1 train.... |
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Posted by error46146 on Sat Jun 14 10:00:05 2008, in response to SERVICE ALERT south ferry 1 train...., posted by R33/R36 mainline on Thu Jun 12 18:04:15 2008. they bypass by not stopping there, that simple |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 12:06:23 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 09:51:04 2008. That may have been the prevailing thought at the time of constructing the new terminal for the 1, however, the 5 used to also terminate there in the past, and that station was originally part of the what has been the Lexington Avenue line for the last 90 years and NOT the west side line.As I understand it, riders coming from Staten Island on the ferry want to have the option to get to the Lexington Avenue line at South Ferry once the 1 train moves to its new terminal, and my way of doing it (5 train when it normally terminates at Bowling Green, shuttle train operating between SF and BG when the 5 is running to Brooklyn during mainly rush hours and the 6 train extended to SF when the 5 is not running in Manhattan) would likely work since the 5 (or 6 if extended) would have to use the loop anyway down there. |
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Re: THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!! |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jun 14 14:15:35 2008, in response to Re: THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jun 13 14:33:34 2008. childs play |
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Re: THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 15:58:30 2008, in response to THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jun 12 22:57:22 2008.  Search your feelings. You know it to be true. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jun 14 17:42:31 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 09:27:24 2008. I think you're right- it'll be closed to passenger service forever. But that doesn't mean that using it for Lex Line service isn't a good idea. I think it is, but just ain't gonna happen. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 17:46:37 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jun 14 17:42:31 2008. As someone who doesn't think that the present replacement of the terminal was as high a priority as MTA decided, given the expenditure involved at a time when we have much greater priorities, I wouldn't have been disappointed to see the old terminal remain in service. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 14 21:04:36 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 14 09:22:26 2008. I like the idea of the 5 using the outer loop, too. Why not? It's already there.I would use it for exiting only. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jun 15 01:00:52 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 12:06:23 2008. The basic problem is that train ridership to and from Brooklyn is so much higher than ridership to or from Staten Island. That is why the South Ferry shuttle was created in the first place. Even though the #5 ends at Bowling Green and uses the South Ferry loop as its turn around point - the majority (or almost all) of rush hour #5 trains travel to and from Brooklyn. Considering that it is about a five minute walk to/from the Bowling Green station to the ferry terminal and offers much more service than a potential #5 train at South Ferry would offer.If the current South Ferry station has been deemed not adequate for the current #1 train, then how is it suitable for the #5 train or a shuttle? Since the Bowling Green station was renovated in the mid-1970's, the shuttle platform has never been used. While as a Staten Islander I would love for the Bowling Green - Whitehall Street and the South Ferry stations were inter-connected so that there is one convoluted but underground concourse between the stations. Mike |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Sun Jun 15 01:08:56 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Jun 14 07:09:37 2008. M/V COMBO?!?!?! SLOWLY I TURN...step by step....inch by inch... |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 15 01:57:25 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jun 15 01:00:52 2008. Michael:My plan as noted would have the 5 only turning at South Ferry during non-rush hours when NOT going to Brooklyn, and the 6 extended to South Ferry during overnights as long as the 5 is not running in Manhattan (during overnights). The shuttle (and its old platform) would only be used during rush hours the way I would do it. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 07:43:53 2008, in response to Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 04:48:49 2008. That is simply not going to happen, The old station is simply dangerous. And with half the train platforming raises numerous safety issues. That ancient station won't permanently close one day too soon. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 15 07:58:05 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 07:43:53 2008. I disagree. The old station is not "simply dangerous." |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 08:20:02 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 15 07:58:05 2008. My opinion, your opinion. It has low passenger capacity due to its' size. Passsengers who are already on the train, who for one reason don't "get" the announcement, have to hurredly walk thru the train to get off. Simply dangerous or not, that station is doomed. The capital $$$ is being spent to replace that station. The size of the old station is not conducive to passenger flow. Some coming up the stairs the same time some are going down the stairs while the train is in the station causes people congestion. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 15 08:20:52 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 08:20:02 2008. The station should be modified and enlarged. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 08:49:58 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 08:20:02 2008. Actually, I recall a NYCT or MTA representative explicitly use the term 'dangerous' in describing the present loop terminal at a public meeting/hearing, in talking about the necessity for a new station. I recall this especially because I remember thinking what a stupid move it was for an official to say that publicly, considering MTA's perennial popularity as a defendant sued by personal injury attorneys.That said, I myself have never thought that replacement of the terminal should be a high priority. Granted, I don't use it much, but justifying the project right now, considering the potential for the capital expenditure to have been made elsewhere, seems to me a difficult task. But that debate has been mooted, since the new terminal is nearing completion. The problem for the future will be to cope with the capacity constraint that the new terminal imposes on the South Ferry Line: 24 tph. Whatever else one thinks about the terminal replacement, I have to see that as shortsightedness. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 09:06:38 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 08:49:58 2008. A 2 1/2 minute headway is inadaquate? |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 09:13:44 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 09:06:38 2008. Right now, 24 tph is very good. But remember that this terminal will be with us for a long time, and in the future, it's foreseeable that tighter headways will be required along that very popular line. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 15 09:26:50 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 08:20:02 2008. It would probably be safe enough as an exit-only station if the (1) were to ever need extra service in the future. Many here have proposed having a second rush-hour northern terminal for the (1). Such trains could use the current loop for exiting passengers only. It could be used by the (6) for the same purpose on late nights. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 15 12:16:15 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 08:20:02 2008. It has low passenger capacity due to its' size.I must say I never had any opinion on this because it's been ages since I used the station. I arrived on a 1 train at 10:35 this Friday morning (in other words, anyone on that train wasn't going to catch the 10:30 ferry). That's totally non-rush hour in every sense of the phrase and it still took a fair amount of time to get out of the station. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 12:29:11 2008, in response to Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 04:48:49 2008. A shuttle train in that service in a waste of money. There are far more pressing demands on the transit authority than people wanting a short ride to Bowling Green.You're using the old station to solve a non-existent problem. If it didn't cost money maybe that would be OK. But it does. I can see a possible use of the loop in revenue service (not the station, just the track) when the WTC Towers open for business. If demand for #1 train service outstrips the ability to run trains to the new station (the new terminal will handle 24 tph, higher than the current station, and will berth all 10 cars, but the capacity constraint is actually governed by bother northern and southern terminals), the TA could run additional #1 trains through the Loop in a service where the last downtown stop would be the reopened Cortlandt St-WTC station. These trains would not stop at South Ferry; they'd use the track loop to return to WTC and then head northbound. Such a service would provide additional capacity to the WTC coming from the north, while the current service would cobtinue serving South Ferry station and the ferry boats. But I'm only speculating. The WTC reopening is still a ways off; Tower 1 is in progress but Towers 2 and 3 are behind schedule. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 12:32:48 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 12:29:11 2008. Try re-reading the post you responded to. Then re-think your response. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 12:35:36 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 09:27:24 2008. "its designed capacity constraint of 24 tph should come back soon enough to rear its ugly head."The current station only handles 20 tph; the new station will berth 20% more trains and handle all 10 cars at once. Effectively that means the new station can handle at least half again as many passengers as the current station. Once the WTC reopens (a bunch of new towers with tens of tousands of people working in them) we'll see what happens. One thing you forget is that 20 tph was enough to handle the WTC when 50,000 people were working in them. Of course gas was not $4 a gallon, so we have a new ballgame. "The plan for limited capacity is so brilliant that only one person on has defended it," Naturally with your vast foaming experience you would have built a far better station. Does your foam also cure much faster than concrete with rebar does? Maybe MTA can save on materials... |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 12:37:31 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 12:32:48 2008. Take your own advice. Think about the specific point to which I was responding. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 12:59:15 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 12:35:36 2008. Once again, you are brilliant only at confusing issues, e.g., confusing the fraction of capacity actually used with the total amount of capacity, as when you say,The current station only handles 20 tph; the new station will berth 20% more trains. The problem at the current station appears to be that trains are unable to depart on time. This problem could have been easily corrected at far less cost than that of the new terminal. Once the WTC reopens (a bunch of new towers with tens of tousands of people working in them) we'll see what happens. Whenever that ends up being, it will be well after the new terminal is completed, and the capacity constraint that it imposes will remain with us. What a great approach to smart planning: let's wait for a problem to develop in the future, and then let's spend more money to fix what we could have easily taken care of years ago at less cost. Does your foam also cure much faster than concrete with rebar does? Is that the latest term in your vocabulary - 'concrete with rebar'? You've been using it a lot lately, like a man passing himself off as being expert in a field that he isn't expert at, the Darius McCollum of subchat. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 13:03:18 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 12:37:31 2008. There is no such point. You've done nothing but attack a straw man instead of the post that you set out to respond to.You wrote, A shuttle train in that service in a waste of money. There are far more pressing demands on the transit authority than people wanting a short ride to Bowling Green. You're using the old station to solve a non-existent problem. If it didn't cost money maybe that would be OK. But it does. This is what Wallyhorse wrote, It also shows why I like the idea of keeping the old SF station open after the 1 train moves to its new station, with the old one becoming the terminal for the 5 train when it is not going to Brooklyn, for an extended 6 train during the overnights (when the 5 is not running in Manhattan) and during rush hours Unless you are mentally challenged or have mistakenly replied to the wrong post, your response to him is sheer nonsense. But that's an essential feature of your posts, isn't it? |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 13:08:53 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 13:03:18 2008. Did you miss this part of his post?"and during rush hours (and other times the 5 is running to Brooklyn UNLESS you have the 2/5 swap of trains in one direction each way) a revival of the old shuttle train between SF and Bowling Green that uses the old short platform at BG, which would apparently please many riders of the SI Ferry who apparently do not like walking to BG to get the 4/5." You really do have autism, don't you? |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 13:11:16 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 12:59:15 2008. "This problem could have been easily corrected at far less cost than that of the new terminal."Data to support your opinion? "Whenever that ends up being, it will be well after the new terminal is completed, and the capacity constraint that it imposes will remain with us." Again, opinion with no supporting data. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 13:22:33 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 13:08:53 2008. You mistake the motivation for his post - recalling the inner loop shuttle - for the service that he suggested be implemented, i.e., part-time extension of 5 and/or 6 trains to South Ferry from their present terminals at Bowling Green (part-time) or Brooklyn Bridge.Thanks for showing us all once again that your immense stupidity is surpassed only by your arrogance. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 13:24:43 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 13:22:33 2008. Do you get reular psychiatric care? You should. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 13:34:27 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 13:24:43 2008. Thanks for playing our game, again. And you've won the prize of being reduced to an immature child so angry that he's a know-nothing that he's making up words now. Congrats! |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jun 15 13:49:10 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 15 01:57:25 2008. The basic problem with a South Ferry shuttle is that the average person can walk the distance from Bowling Green to the South Ferry terminal as a measure of time, that would often be faster than the intervals of the Ferry shuttle. Translation to english - I have just arrived at Bowling Green by subway and I have 8 minutes to make the g-d boat, if I miss the g-d boat I have a 30 minute wait. Unless that ferry shuttle is ready to leave right at that moment, it would be useless.While the rush hour schedule of the ferries is 15 and 20 minutes rush hours; 30 minutes daytimes - evenings and nights; and very late nights and weekend nights at 60 minutes -- I usually find myself traveling during the periods when the boats run 30 and 60 minutes apart. I have lived on Staten Island since 1990, and I am well acquainted with each of the nearby subway stations. I have just arrived at Bowling Green and I have 8 minutes to make the g-d boat, if I miss the g-d boat I have a 30 minute wait. Walking the distance would take about 5 minutes - meaning that I would make the boat without wheezing. If the ferry shuttle operated every 10 minutes the chances of missing the boat are greater should one take it. If the ferry shuttle operated every 5 minutes or less - the chances of missing a boat are reduced. The one real advantage to the ferry shuttle is the all-weather aspect of the travel. In fairness over the years, I have missed boats whether or not I have taken the #1 or #9, the #4 or #5, J-M or N-W-R trains. Stuff happens. Missing a boat by a minute or two, is more hurtful than missing a boat by 10 or 15 minutes. In one case one could have made the boat if only..., in the other case one is simply early for the next boat. As a Staten Islander - catching the "next boat" is easy, catching the boat that you really wanted is the tough part. Imagine that the non-rush #5's and late night #6 trains operated to South Ferry. Again there are 30 and 60 minute waits for the ferry. If I am on a #4 train and it has arrived at Bowling Green with 8 minutes to spare to get the boat, I will be walking to the ferry terminal. It would make no sense to wait at the Bowling Green station for a #5 or #6 train to go one stop - when that would mean a 30 or 60 minute wait for the next boat. While I agree that the TA has the facilities and equipment to create a Ferry shuttle, and that it is a possibility after the new terminal opens. I would prefer it if those stations were inter-connected so that there is an "all-weather" passageway to the Bowling Green station. Just my thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 13:56:41 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jun 15 13:49:10 2008. Nicely written. Now explain that to "trainsarefun." |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jun 15 14:18:45 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 14 17:46:37 2008. I agree with you on this 100%. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jun 15 14:22:48 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 14 12:06:23 2008. From a previous message: "As I understand it, riders coming from Staten Island on the ferry want to have the option to get to the Lexington Avenue line at South Ferry..."As a Staten Islander, yes I would love to be able to catch Lexington Avenue trains right at the ferry terminal. All things being equal it would have been lovely if the platforms for the Bowling Green station were built south of where they are so that the currnt Bowling Green entrance is at the north of the platforms, and the southern end entrances are right outside the ferry terminal, so there was never any need for a shuttle train or a loop. And at the same time, the #1 had a simple two-track center platform terminal that also met at the ferry terminal. And the current N-W-R station remained where it is. Yes, as a Staten Islander, if what was described above existed, it would be great. No walks for four-five blocks in the rain, snow or bad weather to get to the #4 or #5 trains. No more walking as fast as one can while looking into the distance to see if the boat has left the terminal. No more walks where one has to dodge the tourists and their tourist buses on the streets. No more having to cross Water Street with cars that think it is a speedway. No more having to get past street vendors with their carts. But that is not the world we live in. The real world has ferry riders facing only a McDonalds and an all-night deli as the only food places open in the area after the evening rush hour. The new terminal still only has a single newstand and a high-priced donut place - with store spaces that are still vacant. No one pretends that Nathan's will show up any time soon. During the weekend night hour waits for the boats (after 7pm each night), the Manhattan terminal is still crowded, with folks sitting on the floor because there are no seats. The architect who placed a row of stone seats almost directly in front of the restrooms should still be drawn and quartered. Of course there's often a line inside the rest rooms. Guys have to contend with the very small bathroom, so I know the women are not happy. That is the real world on the Manhattan side. So yes, Staten Islanders would love a different scenario. When one travels by subway and ferry and bus daily, every week every year - one would want an easier time of it. Who would not want an easier transit trip, and easier transit connections? Mike |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 14:24:51 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jun 14 17:42:31 2008. The facility is available. They are not tearing it down. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 19:51:29 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 13:34:27 2008. It is the fault of his autism. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 20:04:32 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 12:29:11 2008. First of all-- How a station combining many the bad qualities from both Jamaica Center and Flatbush avenue will have a rated capacity of 24 TPH is beyond me-- Both stations have trouble turning 15 TPH...Second of all-- I don't believe your claim of 20 TPH is supported by either reality or any claims by the MTA. South Ferry as it stands today functions much better then most other terminals. Third of all-- How is the world trade center relevant? The chances of the southern end of the line will have any relevance to the peak loading point of the line is extremely low. |
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Posted by abba on Sun Jun 15 20:05:16 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Jun 14 07:09:37 2008. How long is the longest somone waited on a n/b 4 before Bowling Green for a 5 to relay? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:06:08 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 15 09:06:38 2008. For foamers, definitely. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 20:07:06 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:06:08 2008. So the crowds waiting for 1 trains are foamers?You should tell them that! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:07:32 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 15 08:49:58 2008. If yoiu ahad any evidence that increasing terminal capacity from 20 to 24 tph is "shortsightedness, I wish you'd post it.You've said that on-time departure is the main problem at the current terminal, but you've provided no data to support your assertion there either. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:08:26 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 20:07:06 2008. No, they are not foamers. They are the ones who would suffer more if MTA put foamers in charge of station design. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 20:09:44 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:08:26 2008. They are the ones who will suffer when the new south ferry station is not capable of turning around a sufficient number of 1 trains. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:10:50 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 20:04:32 2008. "How a station combining many the bad qualities from both Jamaica Center and Flatbush avenue will have a rated capacity of 24 TPH is beyond me"Source? Data to support your assertion? Merely pointing to gross structural similarities is insufficient. "I don't believe your claim of 20 TPH is supported by either reality or any claims by the MTA." Look at the #1 train schedule as currently posted on MTA's website. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 20:11:58 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:10:50 2008. The current 1 line schedule in no way indicates the capacity of the current South Ferry station. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:12:14 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 15 20:09:44 2008. Which you have no data to sghow that this will happen.20 tph were sufficient when the WTC had 50,000 people in them up to 2001. What makes you think the reopening of the new WTC will be any different? and that is years away. Again, you assert without data. That's called foaming. |
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