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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by South Ferry on Tue Jun 17 21:04:31 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:37:14 2008. survey says... I'm open!!! |
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Posted by j trainloco on Tue Jun 17 21:08:17 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Mon Jun 16 20:44:22 2008. NONE of the entrances will actually be at the ferry terminal in the new station.True, although I would argue that the walking distance is nominal for most new yorkers. When you consider how much walking has to be done at just about every other Intermodal terminal in NYC, SI ferry riders still don't have it so bad. Incidentally, we discussed this station in a class I took, and our professor raised the same issue you have. Don't misunderstand me: I would have rather seen the money elsewhere, but I also wouldn't call the new terminal a waste of funds. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Tue Jun 17 21:13:57 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 16 21:01:08 2008. Yeah, I admit replying to Ron is opening a mixed bag. On the one hand, you enable his attacks, but on the other hand, he does present a viewpoint that many people on here do not have, outside of maybe a few MTA employees. I wish there was some way to get him to change his posting habits.Although, I do remember the whole 'subchat is a game' thing. If that's the case, then I have a slightly different take on the issue. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 17 22:23:15 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by j trainloco on Tue Jun 17 21:13:57 2008. What viewpoint does he represent?Yes, it's all a game to him. How else can he justify dismissing the views of people who are consistently 100% correct on the issues that he himself is consistently 100% incorrect on? He assumes that unless you work for the MTA, or have written tons of letters like he has, then your opinion doesn't matter, and you must be wrong, even though he is the one who is actually wrong, when we are the ones who are actually right. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jun 18 03:08:21 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Russ on Tue Jun 17 16:53:25 2008. Russ:That may be among people who live down there, who can easily walk and don't need the shuttle to get to where they live, which again, as I would do it would be in rush hours only. Interesting on the 6 not being that crowded in the late night hours. I would think, especially on Friday and Saturday nights, there would be a lot of people from Staten Island who are in the city to go to the clubs who would use the 4/6 and would welcome the option of having the 6 during the overnights to go to South Ferry (as well as to Fulton Street and a key transfer point with the A train) without having to switch from the 6 to the 4 to get to BG or Fulton. I still think this would be a good additional service to have on this line once the 1 moves to the new terminal and give many Ferry riders what they apparently want based on what I have read. |
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Posted by Russ on Wed Jun 18 07:21:12 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jun 18 03:08:21 2008. Here's my question again for the third time:"Do you have ANY evidence that commuters are less willing to walk 1,000' than they were in the past?" |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jun 18 09:03:05 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Russ on Wed Jun 18 07:21:12 2008. He's too busy foaming.Once some of these guys (Wallyhorse, Terrapin, Trainsarefun, Kcar etc.) get a hold of a particular idea, they shift into "broken record" mode and there's no off button. That's just how they are. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Wed Jun 18 17:56:49 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 17 22:23:15 2008. What viewpoint does he represent?The 'worship the MTA' viewpoint. He tirelessly defends every decision they make. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 18 20:14:01 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jun 15 13:49:10 2008. Yes. Interconnect the stations, and build some underground (or even above ground) moving walkways like in the airports.Sometime you just have to hink outside of the train. ROAR |
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Posted by Russ on Wed Jun 18 20:20:03 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 18 20:14:01 2008. "Yes. Interconnect the stations, and build some underground (or even above ground) moving walkways like in the airports.Sometime you just have to hink outside of the train. ROAR I second that ROAR |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 18 21:32:31 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by j trainloco on Wed Jun 18 17:56:49 2008. Why is that something good, as you seemed to imply in the post I responded to? |
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Posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 00:19:41 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 18 21:32:31 2008. It gives us a differing viewpoint. We may not agree with it, but it is nice to have it around. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 19 00:23:51 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 00:19:41 2008. If the viewpoint didn't come with an a**hole, then at best I would simply just tolerate it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 00:30:13 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by J trainloco on Mon Jun 16 20:27:38 2008. "You seem to think that it is whenever someone tries to analyze data in an intelligible way"Sorry, they're not intellible. They're not intelligent either. That's the problem. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 00:36:57 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by J trainloco on Mon Jun 16 20:27:38 2008. Unless this is just an elaborate game which you get some twisted sense of satisfaction out of playing.Almost. The game isn't elaborate. He may or may not be a pre-programmed tool which responds to anything it is not programmed to like in a rather disappointing manner. But by allowing him to play the game, we move closer and closer to determining that he is a rather dull masochist. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 19 00:41:14 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 00:36:57 2008. No we don't. By allowing him to play the game, we make bigger asses of ourselves, and the whole board suffers. I don't understand why you would even consider any option other than totally ignoring him. He thrives on attention. Don't give him any, and he'll either leave, or finally understand that what he does is wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 19 00:42:59 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by j trainloco on Tue Jun 17 21:08:17 2008. The issue for me is not so much that there is walking-- That exists everywhere. The issue is that they are FORCING people to walk SIGNIFICANTLY further(From diagrams, it looks like theyre doubling the distance from the boat to the entrance, AND sticking it outside, and placing the trains deeper)I would even go so far as to say that, considering the reliability of NYCT elevators, that the deeper station may on average be LESS handicapped friendly then the current station. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 00:52:51 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 19 00:42:59 2008. "The issue is that they are FORCING people to walk SIGNIFICANTLY further(From diagrams, it looks like theyre doubling the distance from the boat to the entrance, AND sticking it outside, and placing the trains deeper)"You are mistaking your oopinion for objective fact. The diagrams do not appear to show anything like that. You're welcome to go and "step it off" once it's open and come back and tell us. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 00:53:35 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 00:30:13 2008. Sorry, they're not intellible. They're not intelligent either. That's the problem.I don't agree with that assessment. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 00:54:35 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 00:36:57 2008. "He may or may not be a pre-programmed tool which responds to anything it is not programmed to like in a rather disappointing manner."You post suffiociently like a dullard that such a tool would have no trouble whipping you in a debate. I like having more fun than that. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 00:55:09 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 00:53:35 2008. Sorry about that, but that's what's going on. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 00:57:38 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 19 00:42:59 2008. I would even go so far as to say that, considering the reliability of NYCT elevators, that the deeper station may on average be LESS handicapped friendly then the current station.Can't be any worse than it presently is for wheelchair customers. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 00:58:21 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 00:55:09 2008. As assessed by you. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 01:00:04 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 00:58:21 2008. Ask Train Dude what he thinks of this. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Thu Jun 19 01:02:21 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 01:00:04 2008. I'm not sure what he has to do with any of this. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 01:14:03 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jun 19 00:54:35 2008. 'suffiociently'???Hypertension is getting to you again in playing the game, so that you're so frustrated that you can't type correctly in responding to me, yet again. It's nice to know that I still provoke this reaction in you. But I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself during our friendly little exchanges, so please do take care not to get too worked up. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 19 03:14:28 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jun 18 09:03:05 2008. C'mon now. I think the M-V combo is a good idea and so do many non-foamers. Using the SF Loop Station late-nights for the (6) isn't a bad idea either. Extra service on the (1) from a different northern terminal during the rush could also work. It's not about the trains. It's about better and more frequent service for real people. |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Jun 19 04:23:36 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 19 00:42:59 2008. The issue is that they are FORCING people to walk SIGNIFICANTLY furtherThe distance is not significant. It is less than the length of a subway platform. |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu Jun 19 06:16:31 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 01:14:03 2008. Hypertension is getting to you again in playing the game……or cooking sherry. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 19 06:43:51 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Russ on Thu Jun 19 04:23:36 2008. Yes, that is true, however:The issue in this case to me is what to do with the station after the 1 moves to the new one. In this case, it would be returning the station to it's original purpose, and having it connect to the Lexington Line, with the way I would do it previously noted (revival of old shuttle during rush-hours, 6 during overnights, 5 at all other times). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 19 07:00:34 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 19 03:14:28 2008. Exactly:And that is not foaming at all. The ideas I think of are those I think will actually help. Maybe I'm stubborn on some, but this to me is a legitmate situation, based on people's habits. Yes, people do walk 1,000 feet or so to get to Bowling Green Station from the ferry terminal, but you have a large number of people who don't exactly want to walk that far (even if it is good exercise), especially if they have to be on their feet much of the day. Having the option of taking the shuttle between SF and BG in rush hours (especially in bad weather, when the walk between the two can not exactly be easy) and either the 5 or 6 (depending on time of day) at all other times to and from SF would be very helpful, with late nights on the 6 to SF something a lot of people who don't want to have to walk between BG and the ferry something they would appreciate, especially if some of the streets are not exactly crowded at that time. That's why I think this is worth doing once the 1 moves to the new terminal (especially since then in an emergency, the 1 could also use its old terminal). What could also be done under this setup is to have a transfer point between the old 1 platform and the new one since the new one will also have a transfer to the R/W trains as well. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jun 19 10:53:45 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 19 00:42:59 2008. I believe that the new station will be incorperated into the terminal's structure somehow, without the need to go outside. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jun 19 10:56:44 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Russ on Thu Jun 19 04:23:36 2008. From a previous message: "The distance is not significant. It is less than the length of a subway platform."Actually the distance is a bit longer than a subway platform, and I do not need a measuring tape to show that. The R and W station at Whitehall Street has a 24-7-365 entrance to the station right outside of the Whitehall Ferry Terminal. Until the re-construction of the plaza in front of the ferry terminal, there was an entrance directly in front of the complex, that one had to across a small street to reach. The re-construction of the plaza in front of the building besides being used to access buses, will become a small park. Suffice it to say, that the entrance to the Whitehall Street station is in front of the Ferry Terminal. The R and W station at Whitehall Street has an weekday entrance on Stone Street and Whitehall Street. This entrance is the northern entrance to that station, and it happens to lie about 100-300 feet away from the Bowling Green entrance, and the steps to the American Indian Museum (the old Customs House building). One entrance to the R and W station is along the side of the museum building. So yes, Ferry riders going to the Bowling Green station while walking on Whitehall Street - actually happen to walk the complete distance of a subway station to reach Bowling Green. In fact when the R-N-W trains were screwed up and I had to get to Brooklyn, many times I have left that station by the northern entrance and walked to Bowling Green up and around the corner to get to Brooklyn. This is why I believe that inter-connecting the three stations should really not be a difficult task. Just a note. Mike |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 19 11:05:41 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 19 06:43:51 2008. The issue in this case to me is what to do with the station after the 1 moves to the new one.It will be used by a gap train to hide in during the day, the platform will be used by the various crafts, and work trains will stage out of there by night. I can assure that the MTA will not let such a handy location go to waste. LION SAYS: 1) Make Dyckman Street a three track station with a pocket for turning a "New (9) Train." The (9) will run from Dyckman Street to Rector Street on an "as needed basis" but will not serve the South Ferry station at all. It will be relayed through that station (via revenue trackage) thus not requiring a fumigation, and be returned to the north going into service at Rector Street either as a (1) or as a (9) depending on the needs of the service. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 19 11:08:15 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jun 19 10:56:44 2008. LION SAYS:Build Moving Walkways. Some can be on platform or concourse levels, others may be elevated, glass enclosed above the city streets. No problem, and cheaper than running a shuttle train 1000 feet or so. ROAR |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jun 19 11:14:11 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jun 19 10:53:45 2008. According to construction diagrams, there will be a covered kind of enclosed walkway between the entrance to the new station and the Ferry Terminal Building. Except for this walkway the train entrances are not actually a part of the terminal building, they are OUTSIDE the ferry building but I suppose it was the best that they could do. The original design for the covered walkways for a set of buses was redesigned to allow that walkway to be used as the entrance to the new subway station.In addition to an entrance in front of the Ferry Terminal, the #1 station will have additional entrances about the new plaza and platform. Now the only entrance to the #1 station is inside and alongside the Ferry terminal building Unlike the current situation where the #1 train is under a part of the Ferry Terminal Building, and the entrance is in a direct room off the terminal building. There is no need to encounter the weather at all to get to the #1 line, one is INSIDE the building. The new terminal while an improvement over the original ferry terminal design -- the South Ferry station was located under a downward curving ramps - where riders had to leave the ferry terminal building, encounter the weather, then enter the subway station. Just a note, Mike |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 19 13:05:06 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jun 19 10:56:44 2008. They were talking about the new South Ferry station. Not Bowling Green. It will be less than a subway platform but longer than what there is now. Broken escalators and elevators will most likely be a concern too. |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Jun 19 18:58:00 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 19 13:05:06 2008. Yes, we were talking about the old South Ferry versus the new South Ferry. |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Jun 19 19:03:32 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 19 07:00:34 2008. "but you have a large number of people who don't exactly want to walk that far"How do you know that there is a large number? When the shuttle was discontinued due to low ridership AND low utility, no movement was created to reestablish it. That suggests that there is actually a very small number of people who don't want to walk that far. Do you have any data to suggest otherwise? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jun 19 22:24:59 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 19 11:05:41 2008. Why call the train the 9? It follows the exact same route as the 1 does. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 22:41:34 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jun 19 22:24:59 2008. Why call the train the 9? It follows the exact same route as the 1 does.Technically, it wouldn't, under LION's plan. The 1 route would run to the new South Ferry terminal, but the 9 route would run via the existing loop terminal (albeit without making a station stop there). |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jun 19 22:46:44 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 22:41:34 2008. Well then, if you want to be that technical, then it is also using a different route at Dyckman, since it uses a new track to turn around.And the 6 that turns at Parkchester?!?!?!? What about the 5?!? Or (shudder) the A!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 22:53:03 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jun 19 22:46:44 2008. And the 6 that turns at Parkchester?!?!?!?One's got a diamond, and the other one's got a circle most times. What about the 5?!? Or (shudder) the A!!!!!!!! Well, we've seen the proposals to have different route designations for some of the A and 5 variants, right? I won't speak for Broadway Lion, but I would think that his motivation is simply to make it crystal clear to people that trains operating over the 9 route don't stop at South Ferry, whereas trains on the 1 route do, under his proposal. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jun 19 22:59:01 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 19 22:53:03 2008. Since the New SF terminal can handle 24tph, the number of trains using such a short turn will be 6 at max.Now, contrast that with the southern half of the F line, where almost half of all runs end/begin at Kings Hwy for an extended period during both AM and PM rush hours. It's really not that big an issue, I just don't see why you would designate a short turn for a line as a whole new route. Well, we've seen the proposals to have different route designations for some of the A and 5 variants, right? I've seen the proposals on here for the A train. Never seen anything for the 5, but I don't think there's much merit to renaming the 5 either. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 20 02:54:53 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jun 19 22:59:01 2008. Since the New SF terminal can handle 24tph, the number of trains using such a short turn will be 6 at max.Yes and no. New SF is supposed to handle 24 TPH but VCP can only handle about 19. I think that The Lion's proposal is a good one for rush hours. I would run the rest of the 5 TPH from a terminal other then VCP to new SF with the (1) bullet and 6 five-car trains from there with the (9) bullet to old SF which would become an exit-only station for safety reasons. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jun 20 02:57:57 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 20 02:54:53 2008. I appreciate your pointing out that a line's behavior is determined by what happens at both ends. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 20 04:43:21 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jun 20 02:57:57 2008. Thanks.I also wanted to correct my proposal. Since those 6 five-car trains using old SF during the rush would drop passengers off there anyway, there would be no purpose to give it a different bullet. The (1) designation would work fine. When people see the short train they would know they would be getting off at the old terminal. The 10-car ones would mean new terminal. A 10 minute headway for this exit-only terminal for the short train would also allow fumigation after the personnel shoos off any remaining stragglers. Sorry no riding the loop. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jun 20 06:39:55 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by Russ on Thu Jun 19 19:03:32 2008. Russ:I am going by what I have seen in society in general in recent years. 1977 (when the shuttle was discontinued) was the beginning of a fitness craze that really took off in the early 1980's. People then didn't seem to work 60-75 hour weeks like many seem to nowadays. Now, people seem to not want to walk nearly as much, or are in a much bigger hurry, or work excessive schedules, and want things to be as convienient as possible in a way that was not even the case 4-5 years ago. By the time the new 1 station opens, this probably will be even more so than it is now, strongly suggesting to me anyway that keeping the old SF station open and using it as the terminal for Lexington line trains NOT going to Brooklyn and for a revival of the shuttle during rush hours ONLY would be the right thing. |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jun 20 11:44:34 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jun 19 22:24:59 2008. It does not follow the exact same route.(1) = 242nd Street -> South Ferry (9) = Dyckman Street -> Rector Street The purpose for terminating trains at Dyckman Street is to take pressure off of 242nd Street. There is room east of the existing uptown platform to build a new uptown track, and to use the existing uptown track as the turning pocket. Passengers wising to continue to 242nd Street need only cross the platform. The trains go out of service at Rector Street, but because of traffic cannot be fumigated, they will simply continue through the loop returning to Rector Street on the uptown side. The (9) train designation tells passengers that the train will not stop at South Ferry. The LION presumes that the existing platform at South Ferry will be taken over by C division, and will contain MOW shops or something, and that work trains will stage out of there at night, or maybe even in the non-rush day time. ROAR |
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Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jun 20 12:27:49 2008, in response to Re: Keeping old South Ferry station open for the Lexington line after the 1 moves to its new station, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 20 04:43:21 2008. 5-car trains won't happen; they need the additional capacity, and then there's the passengers who will now need to sprint down the platform to the train. With the exception of the G, does any line run trains shorter than platform length? I don't even think they cut trains during off-hours anymore.I remeber boarding the L at Rockaway Parkway with my grandparents, and they were usually splitting the train then, with the next train sign saying 'forward cars only' |
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