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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 23 20:01:16 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 22 18:36:43 2005. What I remember most in 1981 on the BMT were the R40 cars that I rode before they were overhauled and virtually none of them had any functional air-conditioning. It was like sitting in the sauna at Jack LaLanne's (now Bally's) except you had your clothes on and were going to work. It was hell.No one mentioned the passenger rebellions. Trains were breaking down so frequently that you were often asked to vacate the train more than once on your trip home. Each time it meant waiting for one or two trains to pass before you could get into another one. After a few months of this, passengers were refusing to get off delaying the trains sometimes up to fifteen minutes until the police were called and threatened to arrest you if you didn't leave, which they occasionally did. Other times the train would comtinue in service with the few passengers who refused to leave and the people who got off were furious! If you think I'm exaggerating, I'm not. I was involved in a study at the time trying to coordinate the buses at Flatbush / Nostrand with the arriving trains between 6 and 8 PM. We found the buses were leaving half empty but couldn't understand why. So we got the records from Rapid Transit. It showed half the trains leaving Woodlawn and White Plains Road on three separate randomly chosen weekdays never arrived at Flatbush Avenue! They were abandoned somewhere on route! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 23 20:26:37 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Feb 23 18:33:08 2005. The 60s could be classified as a continuation of, "out with the old, in with the new." New subway cars arrived throughout the decade, rendering such favorites as the Lo-Vs, Triplexes and BMT standards to the scrap heap.Even more significantly, the 60s also ushered in letter markings for BMT trains. I'll bet that, "What's a QT?" was a commonly heard question among Brighton line patrons when the R-27s made their first appearance. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 23 20:50:35 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 17:21:36 2005. R-11s? Was that a regular revenue train? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 23 20:50:53 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 17:23:15 2005. Inflation. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 23 20:52:53 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 23 20:50:35 2005. They ran on the Franklin Shuttle for a while. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 20:53:51 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 23 20:50:53 2005. So the car wash is still around, but the price is up? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 21:02:56 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Charles G on Wed Feb 23 13:18:21 2005. "The Broadway El from Myrtle to Broadway Junction looked like Berlin after WWII. There were more abandoned and/or burnt out buildings than there were in use buildings."That might be the understatement of the year. In some stretches the ratio was about 90/10 abandoned buildings to in use buildings. Hahaha. You are correct! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 21:07:27 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 17:15:15 2005. As you can see from the "before and after photos", The church you see in the background, "Our Lady of Lourdes RC Church" was one of the casualties of the fires too. It burned to the ground in 1976 or 1977, and was set on fire by arsonists. It is one of many buildings that burned or were abandoned. Our Lady of Lourdes had to move into temporary facilities. Our Lady of Lourdes as an organization is still there today, but I think uses the old scholl building as a church now or someting. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 21:14:12 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 21:07:27 2005. Oh, so THAT's what the big brick building was. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Wed Feb 23 21:23:18 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 20:53:51 2005. Duh. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 21:30:35 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 17:21:36 2005. This photo I took is a similar angle, and shows what happened after the onslaught. While unfortunately, it's not an exact angle as the "before" photo, most of the buildings seen in the earlier photo on the right of the RKO Bushwick theater are gone, especially the ones right up against the el. There is now a new Mc Donalds across the street from the once totally dilapidated RKO Bushwick Theater:  It was such a sight riding between Myrtle and Bway Junction. All you would do is stare into open holes that used to be windows. And now it has come full circle. New construction is rampant along the Broadway El, and even the RKO Bushwick Theater found new life as a high school now, when just a couple years ago, it appeared nothing but demolition could have put it out of it's misery: 1993:  1994:  I remember the red brick building in the background (along with that whole block - I think Putmam or Madison) behind the RKO Bushwick was abandoned (but not burnt) up until the early 90's. They are also now refurbished. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Feb 23 21:42:32 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 18:24:06 2005. Now compare those pics to these: 2004 207th Street  2004 Union Turnpike  2004 Church Avenue  2004 Aqueduct/North Conduit Avenue  2004 Aqueduct/North Conduit Avenue  2004 Howard Beach/JFK Airport (All pictures courtesy of nycsubway.org) Well, just comparing these pictures alone shows how much the subway changed over the years. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 21:50:01 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 21:30:35 2005. Here's another before and after photo (first one from nycsubway.org, second one mine). Notice how in the photo from 2003, there are almost no buildings left on the left all the way from Halsey St (the platform where the photos are taken from) station to Chauncey St and beyond(aside from the few that are in both photos, on the extreme left, and some few remaining old buildings, and some new construction in the last 10 years).  And of course here is the famous building at Myrtle-Broadway that was probably abandoned since the 1960's, and is finally occupied once again after almost a half a century of abandonment! All photos from nycsubway.org, except the last one which is mine: 1960's:  1970's:  1996:  2003: 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 22:01:52 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 17:28:14 2005. Great photo from 1976!Actually though, that whole scene in 1976 looked "good" compared to what was coming in 1979 to 1984. At least the tiles are clean. I remember even the tiles being covered for a number of years too, although, that tiles were one of the first things they started to clean, probably around 1981 or so, although the columns remained graffitied. And the train! As bad as it seems, that was "good" compared to what was about to happen to the trains and the system. The photo in the above post is from the beginning of the graffiti era. The trains got way worse than the one in that photo. Anyway, here's a train that looks like they all did in 1979-1985, and that lasted until around 1989, but i would say they got many of the stainless steel trains under control by around 1986. Here's a photo from 1988, by this time, at least the underground stations had their columns grafitti free:  Compare that to a scene "today" in the exact same location, and tell me you guys aren't "spoiled":  (both photos from nycsubway.org) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 22:14:11 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 21:14:12 2005. Oh, so THAT's what the big brick building was.Yup. I couldn't understand why they would knock such a beautiful church building down, but recently learned it was set on fire by arsonists in 1977. Here's another angle of Our Lady of Lourdes Church taken in 1969 (the back or the church), 8 years before it burned, although, as you can see, the neighborhood was already beginning to burn, as you can see from a few of the other buildings in the photo. Within a few years, most of the remaining builings also burned or :lost their windows".  Anyway, here is photos from nycsubway.org at East New York Yard of what your typical train looked like around 1981 to 1985 (these were takeb in 1982). And yes, they ran like this everyday.  
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 23 22:17:23 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 23 20:01:16 2005. You are not exaggerating. The newspapers were filled with articles about passenger "rebellions" refusing to get off trains with door problems. It was the norm at that time. MDBF bottomed out at 7,000 miles, give or take.--Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 23 22:19:11 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 23 16:33:54 2005. Yes, I will do another one on the 1990s, where both the Union Square and Williamsburgh Bridge accidents would be mentioned and I would also talk about the wheel detector and timer era.Just be verrrrrry patient :) --Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 23 22:19:46 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Feb 23 18:33:08 2005. Heh, I'll put that on my list, too :)--Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 23 22:23:07 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by brooklynQB on Wed Feb 23 19:18:55 2005. Good feedback. I was looking to do a revision to that article at some point; this gives me something to take a good look at when I get started with that.What about my coverage of the 1980s (if you had a chance to read that)? What do you feel is lacking there? (not just you, I mean, anyone reading this thread :) --Mark |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 22:35:42 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Charles G on Wed Feb 23 13:14:07 2005. This is not even close to the 70's and early 80's. Obviously any deterioration in the system or in service should be addressed -- but to compare 2005 to that period strains your credibility.Absolutely. This is the 1980's: This is the 2000's:  Any questions? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 23 22:38:21 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 22:35:42 2005. I like the one on top better, although it could use a new paint job. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 22:48:15 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 23 22:38:21 2005. Me too. Although by the time of the below photo, I had to travel to the beach to ride my "old friends" far from their home where I got to know them so well, and you probably heard the sad sob sorry about this photo-sniff-sniff*** ***As I got off this train on the way to a day at the beach, and snapped this photo, little did I know it would be the last time I ever would set foot in an R30 (or R27, I don't know what the train in the L train photo was). Anyway, if I had only known that they were on the way to the scrapper, after all, there was no SubChat/Talk back then, I never would have left that train at the station. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Feb 23 23:29:40 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 22:01:52 2005. I'm very, very spoiled!! |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 23:31:25 2005, in response to The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by brooklynQB on Tue Feb 22 15:17:46 2005. Did anyone ever consider abandoning the subway during that time period (i.e., closing the whole thing down and bustituting)? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 24 00:07:23 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 17:15:15 2005. wow.........a 69 c car wash ......... |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 24 00:17:41 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by tydev417 on Wed Feb 23 21:42:32 2005. digital vs analog photography very interesting |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 24 06:35:52 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 23 20:50:35 2005. "R-11s? Was that a regular revenue train?"Fantrip. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 07:26:40 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 23 22:38:21 2005. Me too, for some sick twisted reason. I used to hate those R27's when they were running. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 07:34:29 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 23 13:17:04 2005. R68, right? The first R68A's didn't appear unti early 1988, and only on the Bronx/6th Ave (orange) section. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 07:48:39 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 21:50:01 2005. That building by Myrtle/Broadway used to have doors blocking the window openings. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 07:54:19 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 07:26:40 2005. Me too, for some sick twisted reason. I used to hate those R27's when they were running.I used to HATE the R27-30's (and the R16's for that matter) when I used to have to ride them all the time on the L, J or M. I used to always wonder why we were stuck with all the "junk", while the other lines got the R46's, etc (75 foot car? What's that, who knew they couldn't run on the J, M, and L - I didn't find that out until I discovered SubTalk). Also, before someone jumps down my throat anout RF windows or something, the reason I liked the R46's is because they were the only trains that were clean and grafitti-free in the system back then. The R44-46's were the first ones to get cleaned up. Then they cleaned up the R40 Slants and R40M-R42's, painted attractive blue interior doors in them, and around 1985 sent them to the, here. I was happy to get rid of having 100% filthy R27-30's (although of course they were still mixed in too). Although we did get the occasional red R30 mixed in with the "junk" too. Then I got pissed off once again thinking that they gave us all the "junk". The attractive R40 and R42's with blue doors disappeared (again, who knew they were getting rebuilt), and then they sent us those R16 basket cases. Man, I hated them even more than the trashed R27-30's at the time. Those things were SO dirty, and so full of grafitti. I still can't believe what those things looked like. Many of them had not been painted in decades. While a few had orange doors inside (meaning they were at least painted in the 70's), most still had the old gray doors with mint green walls inside (if you could tell under all the grafitti). It's still amazing that they were in service regular passenger equipment considering the condition they were in. Anyway, as fast as the R16's seemed to infest the M in the fall of 1986 or spring of 1987, they disappeared almost as fast, and the grafittied R27-30's came back again, although the red R30's also came in in force by then too. Then, seemingly as fast as the R27-30's came back, the R42 rebuilds started coming back. At first, I didn't know if they were the R42's I remembered. I didn't recognize them at all. (Remember, there was no SubTalk/Chat to tell you what was going on, eveything I knew about the subway back then was strictly from my own observations). I remember getting on one of those "new" trains (R42 rebuilds), and looking around. It took me a few rides to actually accept the fact that they were my old friends back again. Gone were the aqua blue/green seats. The painted doors were gone, the brush painted walls were gone, the windows on doors seemed different (what these aren't the same doors!?). The painted and pealing formica sealings were gone. The air conditioning was working!? They smelled new. Could these be the old trains I remember, all fixed up? Again, my experience with "cleaning" up a train, was brush painting every surface of the interior (including the formica ceilings many times!), and sending them out for service, only to be grafittied up a few days later. This "total rebuilding" was new to me. Finally after a few days, I accepted the fact that these "new" trains weren't really new trains afterall. Then, slowly all the R30's started to get rarer and rarer. Never did I think they were being cut up! I just figured they were safe on the C, probably coming "home" one day again - Remember, back then, you didn't have "assigned" classes of cars for lines basically permanently - I was still stuck in the mid 80's and earlier where every six months different classes of cars may be serving your line, many times all at the same time. ANyway, the point of all this is that, I actually hated the R27-30's until they became red. Then as soon as I started to really enjoy and like them.....they were gone. Now, i only wish I could ride a train of them again, grafittied or otherwise. I had so many happy years riding them, so many good times happened in them, no matter how trashed they were at the time. You only remember all this after they are gone. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 08:02:37 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 07:54:19 2005. The painted and pealing formica sealings were gone.Sealings? Hahahahahahaha! Obviously, I meant "ceilings", gimmie a break, it's still early in the morning..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 08:05:41 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 07:48:39 2005. Hahhaha! Yup I remember that! The doors were all weatherbeaten. I used to always stare at that building when tranferring there between the J and M. Some of the doors eeven still had doorknobs on them! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Feb 24 08:31:07 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 07:54:19 2005. I still remember when the R-27/30s had their original two-tone blue interior with pink seats and their original olive drab exterior. They weren't as attractive as the R-32s with their blue doors and shiny stainless steel sides, but I liked them anyway.Incidentally, many of them were repainted bright red before the silver-and-blue paint scheme came in. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Feb 24 08:33:23 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 24 06:35:52 2005. Thanks. That's what I figured. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Feb 24 09:06:32 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 23 22:19:11 2005. No rush.:) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 09:19:37 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Feb 24 08:31:07 2005. The bright red on the R27-30s was before my time. What was the color of the interior when they were bright red on the outside?I don't remember "grafitti-free" R27-30's, although, must have been on them "not so bad" in the early 70's when I was small. The earliest interior scheme I remember on the R30's was the gray doors with mint green walls, and the exteriors were in the silver/blue livery, although yu could never tell what it was supposed to look like outside. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 09:27:13 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 18:24:06 2005. QAnd those aren't even that bad! Those are for the most part pre-onslaught, although they were getting there. That clean R10 interior in the first photo must have just been repainted (in the early 80's they sometimes repainted the interiors, but left the outsides).It is very rare to see many photos 1981 to 1986, I guess all the old timer photographers stopped photographing for a while. It's definitely a missing void of photos from the real bad days. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Feb 24 09:36:12 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 23:31:25 2005. The busses of the day weren't a picnic either. Think of diesel fumes spewing in all directions and side panels half-hanging off... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 09:43:42 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Charles G on Thu Feb 24 09:36:12 2005. And the buses had grafitti on them too, although that never got as bad as the trains. The buses were cleaned up long before the trains and subway was.Hell, even the sanitation trucks were strewn with grafitti in the late 70's. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Feb 24 09:44:29 2005, in response to Typical train photo in 1982 Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 23 22:14:11 2005. If I remember correctly, it was around 1980 or so that they put up new fencing around the Corona Yard to keep out the graffiti vandals. A 20 foot high fence with razor wire on top, followed by a 8-10 foot gap, followed by another 20 foot high fence with razor wire. Oh, and for good measure the 8-10 foot gap was patrolled by dogs.I don't get out that way very often, but I imagine the dogs are gone now. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Thu Feb 24 09:46:35 2005, in response to Re: Typical train photo in 1982 Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Charles G on Thu Feb 24 09:44:29 2005. Signs that basically say "beware of dog" still exist though... |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Feb 24 09:51:02 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 07:48:39 2005. Wow. What memories. I didn't know the area you photographed very well, but recall the era like it was yesterday.Who can forget the 1977 World Series -- the Yankees were back in the series for the first time in more than 10 years -- when during the first home game the network cameras from the top of the stadium were showing three different out of control fires burning in the neighborhood. Or the Cross Bronx Expressway -- where there were so many burned out and abandoned buildings that they actually put phony "windows" that were plastic or paper or something but looked like windows from the highway -- so that people passing through wouldn't think NYC was as bad as it was. The fake windows sometimes even had little flower pots painted on them! I don't ever want to go back to that, or anything even close to it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 10:09:37 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Charles G on Thu Feb 24 09:51:02 2005. Or the Cross Bronx Expressway -- where there were so many burned out and abandoned buildings that they actually put phony "windows" that were plastic or paper or something but looked like windows from the highway -- so that people passing through wouldn't think NYC was as bad as it was. The fake windows sometimes even had little flower pots painted on them!Hahahahahahahaha! I remember those fake windows!!! I almost forgot until you mentioned it!!! They had that in Brooklyn too. It was like wood with a plastic or metal sheething on it that had as you said, a "phony window". Each "window" was different in an abandoned building. Some pf the coverings would have the flower pot picture, some would have venetian blinds, some would have curtains, some would have shades, etc. I almost forgot all about that until you mentioned it! |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Thu Feb 24 11:47:53 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 23 22:23:07 2005. That was okay, but your article was again more technical than "real world". I mean, most subway riders don't understand the differences between the car types or what a GOH is.Also, the evloution of the subway during the 1980's could have been better covered. I mean, between 1982-1988, you barley touch it. It seems to go from "hell" to "heaven" while not doucumenting the in-between. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 12:06:44 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 23 18:24:06 2005. Don't forget the wonderful interiors: 
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 24 12:09:12 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 09:43:42 2005. The site: Universal Studios theme park, 1990-something.The ride: "King Kong". Sit-down imitations of the Roosevelt Island Tram get batted around by King Kong. The waiting area: Strewn deliberately with graffiti marks by park staff (presumably as part of the ride theming)... graffiti which the audience, of course, continually added to (although they probably weren't supposed to).... figures. LOL |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 12:27:10 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by brooklynQB on Thu Feb 24 11:47:53 2005. Here's some highlights: 1984: First overhauled redbirds appear on Flushing line, R62's enter service on #4 line. R14/15 cars retired. 1985: R62A's appear on #1 line. Green R10's appear on C line. Red R30's appear on J line. Queens Blvd and Metropolitan Ave stations in Jamaica close. Double lettered routes eliminated. 1986: North side of Manhattan Bridge closes, Brooklyn service rerouted up Broadway. Brighton express service suspended. M line moved from Brighton to West End line. R62A's debut on #6 line. First R68's appear on southern (yellow) D lines. Overhauled mainline redbirds debut on #2 line. 1987: First GOH'ed R38's appear on A line. N/R swap northern terminals. R68's debut on N line. First GOH'ed R40 slants appear on southern (yellow) B line. All remaining R16/21/22's retired. Most R17's and all unoverhauled R10's retired. R62A's debut on #3 line. Nassau St. R route eliminated. 1988: R68A's debut on Bronx/6th Ave (orange) D. First overhauled R42's appear on J line. R27's moved to C line. First overhauled R32's appear on R and G lines. Williamsburgh Bridge closes for 2 months due to danger of collapse. Archer Ave extension opens. North side of Manhattan bridge re-opens, south side closes. Express service on Brighton line restored. Fulton St. express hours expanded from rush hour to weekdays, as is C service. K route eliminated. All non-redbird R27's retired. Remaining R17's (redbirds) retired. Feel free to add/correct ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 24 12:43:26 2005, in response to one memory, later time period, in Florida, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 24 12:09:12 2005. Yup, I remember that quite well on the King Kong ride, although it is now gone, replaced with the Mummy ride.The King Kong ride opened in the very early 90's, so the stigma NYC subway had was still quite prevelant. It's only the last 5 years or so that NYC finally shook that stigma off from the rest of the world. Look familiar??: 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 12:47:13 2005, in response to Re: The subway during the 1970's, how bad did it really get?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 24 12:27:10 2005. And even though you didn't ask: 1989: 63rd St. extension/tunnel opens. Redbird R30's moved to C line. Green R10's retired. #9 line introduced. Last grafitti-coverd cars removed from service. Intervale Ave. mezzanine torched. First GOH'ed R44's enter service. Midday #5 service cut back to Bowling Green, #4 service extended to Utica Ave. |
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