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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 11:57:27 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 11:39:20 2005. Taking photographs goes beyond "no expectation of privacy". You can look at me or listen to me all you want. The minute you start recording my presence there though, you've exceeded your grasp, even if it's "legal" to do so. It's a matter of respect. It can even be frightening to some folks when they see some yutz walking through the car pointing something at people. The inside of a public transit vehicle is not the equvalent of a public street. If you want to take shots where there are people in close proximity the proper thing to do is to publicly announce to them your intentions. Nobody bitches, snap away. If you ain't willing to do that than one day someone will show you how wrong it can be take unwanted photographs. That's all I'm saying. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 12:08:37 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by BIE on Sat Feb 26 11:51:30 2005. "No two ways about it. You love the photoban."You're out of line. Take all the freekin' photographs of buses and trains and stations and junctions and r.o.w.s you want. I like looking at them. But people are not trains. There has to be respect for your fellow passengers. What, you consider those folks who get into those shots as "collateral damage"? Would you also spit on them as you pass by? No two ways about it. You love putting your desires over the expectations of folks for un-troublesome rides on the public conveyances. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 12:23:27 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 11:57:27 2005. You don't know what you're talking about. You're in a public setting, you have no expectation of privacy, you have no ability to stop someone photographing you. Bitch, moan, threaten all you want, but it means nothing. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 12:38:00 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 12:23:27 2005. I'm talking about doing more than bitching or moaning. Are you living in some ideal world where everyone goes along with whatever your hobby causes you to do? What makes you think you can disrespect strangers like that and not get an butt whipping? Sometimes, activities can be "legal" and still be unadvisable. Just because I'm in "public" does not give anyone the right to, uh, tresspass against me.Damn, am I the only one here who thinks people have a right to dignity? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 12:48:06 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 12:38:00 2005. There's a whold large color book out right now that I saw at the bookstore called "The Subway Photos" in which the entire subject matter is candid photos taken of people on the subway. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Feb 26 12:52:50 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 12:08:37 2005. I do not photograph trains or take public photos. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:01:15 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 12:38:00 2005. Just because I'm in "public" does not give anyone the right to, uh, tresspass against me. Again, you're not listening. It does exactly that. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:03:51 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by BIE on Sat Feb 26 12:52:50 2005. That's it. I'm censoring strangers' faces from future photos. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:17:21 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by BIE on Sat Feb 26 12:52:50 2005. Why? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:17:36 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:03:51 2005. Why? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:29:54 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:17:36 2005.    |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:31:27 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:29:54 2005. Because some folks whine about their privacy on the subway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:54:03 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:29:54 2005. Why did you do that? You didn't have to. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:54:31 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:31:27 2005. Fuck them. They have none. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 13:56:11 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:54:31 2005. Does this mean I can poke you for laughs the whole ride? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:57:59 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:54:03 2005. (Shrugs) One time, I took a picture of a bum - err, homeless person - and he covered himself with cardboard, whereupon my parents criticized me for "not being nice" (well, they said, "That wasn't nice, you shouldn't have done that".) That being said, how in the Sam Hill am I supposed to know whether they mind being photographed or not? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:59:12 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 13:56:11 2005. How is snapping a picture of a person hurting them, if they ain't doing illegal stuff? Look, you're on security cameras all the time. so? |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Feb 26 14:05:01 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:17:21 2005. I practice my hobby by working on trains for museums and tourist lines Also, I own my own small diesel locomotivehttp://groups.msn.com/GESwitcherownersgroup-/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1 this is one of the few train pictures I have taken. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 26 14:28:07 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:59:12 2005. How is snapping a picture of a person hurting them, if they ain't doing illegal stuff?What if a guy is going with a woman who is not his wife (NOT ILLEGAL) - wife sees the picture on the internet and does a Lorena Bobbitt imitation when he is asleep... The picture just caused the guy to lose his ;-) |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 14:33:34 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:59:12 2005. How am I suppoed to know weither your taking pictures of the wall or your some pervert.Look, train photography is great. If I we're you, I would politely inform the person I'm taking a picture of the wall, not them. But I don't agree with this "fuck privacy" attitude being displayed. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 14:41:21 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 26 14:28:07 2005. Not my fault. That's the wife's fault. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 14:44:10 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 14:33:34 2005. Okay... I have SOME qualms about violating privacy of people, but rest assured that I am not a pervert. The problem is, if something is here today and gone tomorrow, pictures are better off being taken - and privacy could always be restored by Photoshop prior to internet posting. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 16:10:00 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 14:44:10 2005. I didn't mean it as YOU we're the perve. If I'm on a train, how am I supposed to know what your doing with your pictures. And if you snap shots of my chick or kids, well, we might have some issues..... |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 26 20:07:45 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 11:57:27 2005. I live in Manhattan, which happens to attract a lot of tourists. They happen to take a lot of pictures on public streets, and a lot of random bystanders unavoidably end up in a lot of those pictures.Not once have I heard anyone publicly announce their intentions beforehand. If I'm in a public setting (or visible from a public setting), then somebody might take my picture or jot something down about me. Chances are that I don't even know about it 99% of the time. Such is life. There's nothing wrong with it. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 26 20:24:18 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 26 14:28:07 2005. What if the wife herself happens to get on that same train?If you're concerned about somebody seeing you on the subway, it's probably not prudent for you to ride the subway in the first place. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:12:43 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 26 20:07:45 2005. Exactly, can you imagine how many photos of strangers a person captures in a place like Disney World, or Times Square, the subway, or any touristy place? And many of those wind up on the internet when they share those photos with friends and relatives through places like webshots, etc. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 22:43:19 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 13:57:59 2005. Thing is, you don't have the right to be making that analysis. That's just the way it is. I don't know, man. Assume all your temporary fellow passengers are packing and in a bad mood. Just waiting for something, anything to set them off.Most people don't care what type of car it is, or the signage, or the fact that it used to be another train route, or any of the stuff we focus on. They are going places they have to. We forget that at our peril. I saw a guy who was taking some pictures on the D train get knocked to the ground between Prospect Park and Seventh Avenue once, years ago. It was on a Sunday night. Screwball used his flash to take the shot. He was pointing the camera down the length of the car and this dude a few seats down jumped up and said "F***in' a**hole whuthef**k're you doinmotherf***er?!!!" He pushed the photographer hard and the guy was just laid out on the floor. His camera got busted all over the floor. I'm not saying that it was proper for that dude to hit the photographer. But that's what can happen. Do what you want. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 23:07:07 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 26 13:01:15 2005. Oh, I'm listening. But you're still trying to prove that you have a "right" to bother me in public.Don't point ANYTHING towards me if you're next to me on the train. Be nice...and ASK me. I mean, you don't know what I'm clutching in my pocket at that moment, do you? Could be some trouble ahead, friend. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 23:25:02 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:12:43 2005. Guys...can't you understand that taking a picture in an enclosed space like a subway car is way different than snapping them on the street or in an amusement park? Maybe you don't see a difference but I do. Just as you can smoke on the street but not on a train, or sleep in your home but not on the street, a public transit vehicle requires some slight variations on the "...but it's legal on the streets!" elements of our civil freedoms.On the trains we ought to behave in a more polite fashion. Taking direct photographs of people without their permission is just rude. This is my personal feeling on the matter. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Feb 27 00:03:08 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 23:25:02 2005. A subway car is every much as public a space as a public street. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Feb 27 00:22:00 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 22:43:19 2005. So? I was assaulted for boarding the LaGuardia-bound M60 bus with luggage. Does that mean that nobody should carry luggage on a bus to the airport? Or does it simply mean that some people are nutcases? |
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Posted by Metal Management INC on Sun Feb 27 01:39:54 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Feb 27 00:22:00 2005. I'd be a nutcase for taking the bus to catch a flight in the first place. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Feb 27 02:56:04 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Metal Management INC on Sun Feb 27 01:39:54 2005. And, besides, I took my pictures WITHOUT the flash, unlike Mr. Unlucky. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Feb 27 03:00:02 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Feb 27 00:03:08 2005. Exactly. Which is why folks shouldn't be peeing or falling asleep aboard those contraptions - and why snapping pictures there is ok. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 07:45:12 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 23:25:02 2005. Riding the subway is no different than walking down 5th Ave, and no different than riding Splash Mountain in Disney. In fact, it's even more "public" to ride the subway than it is to ride "Splash Mountain". Splash Mountain is on private property, while the "A Train" is public property.What is the difference between taking a photo here:   ....or taking a photo here:     ..Or even here:  It happens all the time in all three scenarios, and many times, especially in the first instance, the photos wind up on the internt. I went to Dinseyland about a month ago, and am probably in hundreds of photos taken by people I don't know, from all over the world, that's part of being in "public". |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Feb 27 08:20:30 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 23:07:07 2005. You are mentally unatable and will be the one to go to jail unless your fraemongering photoban passes. First thing, however is that the cop will run you through NCIC, NYSPIN and DHS. Hell, by the time thay get done checking you out, they'll have your life of a printout and you'll see how much privacy there is in the REAL world |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 27 09:40:00 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 07:45:12 2005. I'm not talking about banning photography all together. But there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. You can "moan" all you want about it. There is no friggin' excuse at all for a picture like this to be taken of someone without their permission. And even then, it's plainly intrusive. Doesn't seem like a hard concept to understand. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Feb 27 10:17:55 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 27 09:40:00 2005. I disagree. If something happens to a car (such as graffiti) that the public ought to know about, then a photo is a good idea. Also, since the riders are in public, aboard a known tourist attraction, they should know they run the risk of getting photographed. All they have to do to protest photography is say they don't wanna be photographed. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Feb 27 10:49:15 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Feb 27 10:17:55 2005. somebody who commits FELONY ASSUSALT in response to being photographed in a public place +WILL+ be arrested and as part of the booking process the police +WILL+ find out what the +FELON+ has to hide (MUST be something there) and will have a printout of the +CRIMINAL'S+ whole life which will be in such detail as to show how many times the +CRIMINAL+ farted in 9th Grade Social Studies class. So much for privacy. |
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Posted by Flatbush41 on Sun Feb 27 14:22:58 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 12:38:00 2005. Are you living in some ideal world where everyone goes along with whatever your hobby causes you to do? What makes you think you can disrespect strangers like that and not get an butt whipping? Sometimes, activities can be "legal" and still be unadvisable. Just because I'm in "public" does not give anyone the right to, uh, tresspass against me.You know, I actually see your point and I agree to an extent. While I agree with the others that at times people will just walk into a picture in a public setting, taking a pic like the ones shown is bad and is subject to a confrontation, end of story. I would think that someone was trying to take a pic of me deliberately and of course I would question that person's motive. |
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Posted by Flatbush41 on Sun Feb 27 14:32:30 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 26 11:30:17 2005. From reading these posts, its clear you're misunderstanding what he's saying. YES there isn't much [or any] privacy in a public place, in this case the subway. When I'm going to take a pic of something inside a subway car for example, I make sure no one is around the area of the picture b/c I would want the same thing by not being in it, especially so close. I know that Richard didn't mean much by the lady & 2 people getting in the pic but again how would I know if someone were trying to take a pic of me for malicious intent? You do have those type of people, unfortunately. I too would most likely confront the person [I have run into situations like that before]. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Feb 27 19:05:25 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 27 09:40:00 2005. How can it be intrusive if it doesn't reveal anything that isn't immediately visible to a random bystander on the train? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 27 19:27:43 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Flatbush41 on Sun Feb 27 14:22:58 2005. Thanks bro. Now, enough of this jive...let's get back to the fun! |
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Posted by Metal Management INC on Sun Feb 27 20:18:52 2005, in response to Re: Hey! Get That Camera Outta My Face! Re: Car 3928 goes retro!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Feb 27 10:17:55 2005. For you to comply with your own statement you would have to ask every person standing in the front of the trains "can I shoot it"? The look on the lady's face is WTF and the fact it is on the internet does little to bolster your argument. Passengers have a reasonable right to privacy in public transportation. You can't compare a commuter or subway train to a tourist attraction. When you ride rollercoasters nowadays you are prewarned of the videos and stills being taken when you are about to crap your pants. Your right to take a photo does not in any way allow for you to harass passengers in order to acheive the money shot. Most photographers give advanced warning before shooting when they are located by crews. The camera presense is enough for a motorman to shield his/her face and most are not caught off guard. Being you used a cell phone due to the crappy composure, she got little warning. Taking her picture in this instant IMO constituted aggrivated harassment. If you are trying to protest the proposed ban or highlight the degrading quality of service, this is not the way to do it. A letter or phone call with appropriate car numbers dates and times usually gets to the right departments. |
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