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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 14:22:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 14:10:55 2007. Yes-- you take the two lines which run on rapid transit schedules on rapid transit style lines! |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 14:23:20 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 14:16:53 2007. No. |
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Posted by metropod on Sat Nov 3 14:34:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 12:26:03 2007. It's not class one, atlest not anymoreThe only class ones in the US right now are BNSF, CSX, Grand Trunk Corporation/CN, Kansas City Southern, Norfolk Southern, Soo Line (CP's US operations), Union Pacific and techincaly Amtrak. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 14:59:19 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by metropod on Sat Nov 3 14:34:00 2007. Used to be 127 Class I railroads back in 1950. That figure fell to 34 in 1984, and subsequently down to 11 a mere eleven years afterwards (in 1995). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 15:01:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 12:26:03 2007. Current AAR definition of a Class I railroad is one that has annual operating revenue of $319.3 million or greater. No matter the class, the Staten Island Railway is still a FRA railroad (AAR reporting marks SIRC). |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:11:53 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 13:37:15 2007. Yes letterheads, etc., don't matter. Believe what you wish I'm through. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:12:54 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by monorail on Sat Nov 3 14:11:06 2007. hahaha |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:17:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 14:20:10 2007. Nope |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:18:47 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 14:22:59 2007. Nope |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:19:28 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 14:23:20 2007. Proof, moptop? |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Nov 3 15:31:22 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:17:44 2007. Come on Terrapin, why don't you explain your position rather than giving these one word answers. Or why don't you foamers accept that there's a decided grey area between "Commuter rail" and "Subway" service? It can be said that the SIRT is a commuter-oriented rapid transit system, like BART and PATCO, while the LIRR PW branch is a rapid transit oriented commuter rail line. The Europeans have somewhat better demarkations for these things than we do, with the German S-bahn and French RER adaquately describing services such as the Port Washington branch.That being said, the SIRT runs R44s, which were never FRA compatible and a few grab irons stuck to the frames will not change that. Thus calling it a commuter line is inaccurate. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 15:32:34 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:19:28 2007. I dont believe anyone has suggested otherwise ever... |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Nov 3 15:36:20 2007, in response to Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 08:37:29 2007. Oh boy, more of the same. Never mind that the best hope for the North Shore and indeed for getting any transit off the island lies in light rail and an extension of HBLRT across the Bayonne Bridge. Instead they'll order another 30 subway cars for a tunnel that's 30 years away at the earliest. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 15:42:08 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by WillD on Sat Nov 3 15:36:20 2007. Never mind that the best hope for the North Shore and indeed for getting any transit off the island lies in light railIYHO, you're supposed to say. Of course, build any extant corridor as LRT and say goodbye to any other kind of rail links to/from the island, because . . . an extension of HBLRT across the Bayonne Bridge . . . is never gonna happen. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 15:46:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Nov 3 11:25:36 2007. Hey; some facetious ideas lead to some (slightly more) meritorious ones. Didn't the B&O and PRR want to build across SI into Brooklyn and Queens, and thence to Manhattan, once? |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 16:12:25 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by metropod on Sat Nov 3 14:34:00 2007. Thanks.I was under the impression that technically it still was because of it's B&O roots. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 16:13:11 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 15:01:36 2007. Gotcha. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 16:24:50 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 15:42:08 2007. Sure it is. Just as soon as SI can secede from NYC and be annexed to NJ.ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 16:25:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 16:24:50 2007. Vermont might secede from the US before that happens..... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Nov 3 16:36:46 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by WillD on Sat Nov 3 15:36:20 2007. Then you order a separate North Shore fleet, simple as that. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Nov 3 16:42:08 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 15:42:08 2007. IYHO, you're supposed to say.Fine. Of course, build any extant corridor as LRT and say goodbye to any other kind of rail links to/from the island, because . . . Yeah sure, because SIers will flock to a train into NYC via the AK Draw. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to sit on a Comet for an hour as their train winds out from NYP to Tottenville. . . . is never gonna happen. It's a hell of a lot more feasible than the tunnel pipe dream and a whole lot more usable than any FRA line across AK Draw to NYP. For a billion dollars the MTA could have transit down to the SI Mall, or for 2-3 billion dollars they could tie the SIRT into the R train, merely bypassing the ferry. |
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Posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 3 16:50:27 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 15:18:47 2007. is that all you can say? because if you can't find a way to back up your point, then you're just a moron. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Nov 3 16:53:14 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by WillD on Sat Nov 3 15:36:20 2007. The MTA isn't THAT dumb...give them SOME credit. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 3 17:00:10 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 15:42:08 2007. Of course, build any extant corridor as LRT and say goodbye to any other kind of rail links to/from the island, because . . .Yes, because as we all know, heavy industry that's dependent on freight rail will return to Staten Island. Plus, god forbid we use that cheaper, one man operation lightweight train that can reach speeds of 65mph with an acceleration rate that exceeds NYCTA's equipment. No, instead we should blow more money on heavyweight trains with two man operation... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 17:10:01 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 3 17:00:10 2007. LRT is not cheaper. Get that through your head. You want to have to build additional facilities to handle LRVs? plus new equipment specifically for maintaining catenary wire? How about knocking down high platforms to make low ones for your LRVs to stop at? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 17:34:18 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 09:11:57 2007. In which case I would expect the option to be for 60' cars to replace the current R44s.Options, which are essentially the contracted right to purchase additional cars beyond a current purchase, at a pre-agreed price, do not involve major design changes. If the TA had wanted new 75' cars, they would contract for them. I think what is more likely is that the TA intends to use part of the R160 order to displace R44s or R46s currently in service on subway lines. For example, an R160 order might go to the IND 8th av line, and the R44s currently assigned there would be overhauled and sent to the Staten Island Railway. Or perhaps the R160s willbe assigned to the F line and the R46sin Jamaica Yard will be ovrhauled and modified for SIRTOA service. However, I could be wrong. Maybe the TA really is ordering new 75' cars. But that would not be an option order - it would be a new order. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 17:37:45 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 17:10:01 2007. There are gradations of expense in "light rail." LRV as is usually defined is more expensive than "fast streetcar" in part because with the latter, you don't need to anchor the trackbed as deep in the ground. The trains also don't go as fast.There are modern streetcars you can buy that weigh only 58,000 pounds or soand cost less than the $2 million you'd expect to pay for LRV. This according to the egineering dept. at the Kansas City Area Transportation Authority, which is looking into fast streetcar as an alternative to LRV. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 17:40:02 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 3 17:00:10 2007. "Plus, god forbid we use that cheaper, one man operation lightweight train that can reach speeds of 65mph"Wat qualifies? AirTrain's vehicles can do that; PATCO reaches 65 mph (but its infrastructure is not cheap). Idon't know the max speed Boston's trolleys can reach. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 3 17:43:13 2007, in response to Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 08:37:29 2007. There was a "note" posted at a terminal yesterday regarding future R-160 and R-179 orders. Yes, it specifically mentioned the R-179.It basically stated that storage space in yards is becoming an issue, and that before these new cars come in, they want to make sure all crews are trained on them, to prevent another R-160 fiasco (which is still ongoing). Also, the current proposals for extending the (G) and/or (V) to Church Avenue can't go through yet, because the crew facilities at Church Avenue aren't adequate for both (G) and (V) crews to be "recovering" there. Major renovations will have to take place at Church Avenue before any train extensions happen. When was the last time trains actually terminated at Church Avenue? Whatever crew facilities are already there must be pretty dilapidated by now. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 3 17:45:22 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 12:04:02 2007. Is that right..?Then why did they bend over backwards some years ago to keep it part of the city? Why all the transportation givebacks..tolls reduced for S.I residents..and other incentives? Why all this talk of TWO NEW LIGHT RAIL ROUTES..AND a new Narrows Tunnel connection to the 4th avenue subway..if thats what the CITY WANTS? I'm afraid you are mistaken..its STATEN ISLAND that wants to leave..and I don't blame them..hell...if it were up to me..I'd make BROOKLYN its own city[cause we DON'T need "CITY-ITS']... LOL! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 3 17:47:16 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 12:30:14 2007. Stop it,Andee. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 3 17:53:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 14:09:02 2007. You sound like a fool..Are you saying that Staten Island Only mattered to the city because they DUMPED TRASH THERE? If that were the case..QUEENS should be on less than equal footing..as it was swamp..a DUMP..and much more. Heck, Flushing Meadows WAS THE DUMP before Moses turned it into a park. So If we listen to You then the city should have tossed QUEENS to NASSAU..saying we don't want you back. |
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Posted by Russ on Sat Nov 3 17:53:22 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 3 17:43:13 2007. ...to prevent another R-160 fiasco (which is still ongoing).What is the R-160 fiasco? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 3 17:58:52 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 12:09:18 2007. yup... |
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Posted by JayJay85 on Sat Nov 3 18:01:35 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 10:58:17 2007. it could be 60ft cars in the end |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 18:20:05 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 10:47:24 2007. Good point by you. Equipment-wise, it's FRA governed, but your point is well-taken. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 18:21:08 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 18:20:05 2007. To say that the equipment is FRA governed is even going a bit far considering how waviered it is. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 18:22:13 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 3 17:43:13 2007. (G) crews do terminate at Church Avenue.ROAR |
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Posted by Alex L. on Sat Nov 3 18:25:35 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 3 17:43:13 2007. And yet oddly the facilities at Church have been under renovations since about this time last year.As to the R160 problem, if the author of that memo hadn't sent the guy who rewrote the manual out to the field (and into the IRT at that), School Car could have run an extra training class instead of having to train new trainers. But what do I know? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 18:30:28 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 18:21:08 2007. Well, if it weren't FRA governed, how could FRA then issue waivers? :0) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 18:45:53 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by WillD on Sat Nov 3 15:31:22 2007. Nope |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 18:46:58 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 18:20:05 2007. Are Nassau and Atlantic stations are still in the sorry state they were in, with the conductor opening a single door for people to exit? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 18:53:24 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 3 16:50:27 2007. Ayup, a moron....but a damn good one. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 3 18:58:24 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 18:46:58 2007. Those 2 stations are set to be closed, to be replaced by a new station and park-n-ride at Arthur Kill Road. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 20:27:12 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 15:32:34 2007. They were scrapped, mostly in 1961. I think one was kept for a while at Fresh Pond Yard. AFAIK there are none left on NYCTA property. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 3 20:27:19 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 12:26:03 2007. Those MTA names are not the real names. They are like "d/b/a". |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 3 20:44:52 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Nov 3 13:04:26 2007. ??? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 20:50:34 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MJF on Sat Nov 3 11:25:41 2007. I understand your point, but SIRT is no longer a Class I railroad. The qualifications were changed and now there just seven:BNSF Railway CSX Transportation Grand Trunk Corporation/CN Kansas City Southern Railway Norfolk Southern Railway Soo Line Railroad Union Pacific Railroad |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 3 20:59:15 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 3 20:50:34 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_I_railroad a Class I railway is defined as a railway company with an operating revenue exceeding $319.3 million.and you forgot Amtrak as the Wikipedia page only classified freight railroads, Class 1's are all railroads with the treshhold operating revenue. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 3 21:01:50 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 3 20:59:15 2007. MNCR is almost a class 1 railroad see:http://www.mta.info/mta/ind-finance/month/mnr-financial.htm Definitions of Financial Indicators: Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad Operating Revenue is the sum of Passenger Revenue and Other Revenue for MTA’s transit agencies. Operating revenue excludes reimbursement for capital expenditures or other costs directly relating to capital projects. Passenger Revenue is derived from fares charged to and collected from users of LIRR and Metro-North, and is the MTA’s primary source of Operating Revenue. Other Revenues are all operating revenues not directly generated by transporting rail and bus passengers. Examples include: revenues from concessions to vendors; advertising and other space rented commuter rail cars, stations and other facilities; food and beverage service on the commuter railroads; parking revenue at MTA-owned facilities; fare reimbursements for the elderly and disabled; and interest income. Operating Expenses are the total costs incurred for the management and operation of a specific MTA agency. Also known as operating costs, these include salary, wage and other payroll costs, fringe benefits, materials, energy, professional services and depreciation. These expenses include depreciation. These expenses exclude any direct or indirect capital costs funded by the MTA Capital Program or other Capital sources such as the Connecticut Department of Transportation or the New York State Department of Transportation. Operating Deficit is the Operating Revenue minus Operating Expenses. This deficit is covered by subsidies from state and local governments, dedicated taxes and a portion of B&T’s operating income. It should be noted that with the exception of B&T, all MTA agencies operate at a deficit. This is the case for virtually every public transportation agency in the United States. |
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