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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Fri Jul 6 07:45:55 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 19:54:09 2007. You know, I'm wondering if they did go ahead and issue the permit (assuming such a physical permit even does exist, and if so, should be put on eBay immediately upon expiration), whether or not the cops or PATH employees are even aware of the permit stipulations and would both to honor anything granted by the authority. Alternatively, if you were issued a permit and proceeded to photograph in violation of their stipulations, whether the permit itself would be enough to keep away anyone designated to stop those evil camera-holders. |
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Posted by error46146 on Fri Jul 6 09:18:26 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 16:55:51 2007. Well for me for some reason they never confront me, they always yell at me.Luckily though I haven't been yelled at lately... and I hope it stays this way as well |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 6 11:45:54 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 11:55:53 2007. Which bolsters my belief that these rules were drafted by the same people who were probably in charge of protecting the PA's other facilities, like the ports. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Jul 6 12:20:51 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. Heh, Heh, you guys just have no imagination, what about taking photos with the camera disguised as something else ? some years ago I took some photos with my SLR Cannon F-1 concealed in a piece of styrofoam with pieces of card stock cemented around the camera resembling pages of a book and a cover with a hole for the lens, a cable release activated the motor drive, it was carried like a book, using a wide angel lens I just pointed the lens in the direction I wanted to photograph and it worked very well, with today's small cameras this would be very easy to do, the subway noise would cover up any sound the camera made...use your imagination...get those tunnel shots, or what ever shots you want, lean up aganist the RFW window with the lens pointing out and click away, a black book cover would be perfred with circles painted on it to have the lens hole blend in..this WILL work. Karl M |
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Posted by P-rad M on Fri Jul 6 12:25:49 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Jul 6 12:20:51 2007. lol. I'll think about it then.... |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Jul 6 12:36:48 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Jul 6 12:20:51 2007. Sounds like one of the gadgets that Q would come up with for James Bond.Do you prefer your martinis skaken, not stirred? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 15:57:05 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 00:12:33 2007. It's a tedious process but PATH believes they are looking out for the best interest of their dollars.Fix'd. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 16:03:33 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Fri Jul 6 07:45:55 2007.  Since I'd have to have a PATH escort, I presumably wouldn't be bothered by people other than the PATH escort. He'd most likely be able to drive away the cops. An Ebay'd permit wouldn't be possible; as far as I know, the physical "permit" is the application, signed by some PATH higher-up, specifies the exact time and location, and is only valid with a PATH escort/censor to prevent you from taking photos of anything worth taking photos of. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 6 16:26:21 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 00:12:33 2007. One of the silliest things ever posted to Subchat (all 3 boards!). |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Jul 6 17:02:37 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 6 11:45:54 2007. Except that you can take photos of the ports around NY unmolested. Nobody has to sign anything before they ride the Circle Line or Staten Island ferry. Hell, there's a trip every May which takes boatloads of people right into the slips at the container docks and allows them to photograph the equipment. I've taken photos at Newark and JFK airports without being bothered, I've taken photos at Bayonne and around Newark Bay without being bothered, so why the hell is PATH different? |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by WillD on Fri Jul 6 17:02:37 2007. The SI Ferry has bomb sniffing dogs and federal marshals. Since it isn't feasible for PATH to have all of that they have their stringent photo policy. Yes it sucks for railfans but if it prevents a terrorist attack then it's worth it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 6 17:12:42 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. Since it isn't feasible for PATH to have all of that...Why isn't it feasible for PATH to have "bomb sniffing dogs and federal marshals"? ...they have their stringent photo policy And how does not allowing photography mitigate not having "bomb sniffing dogs and federal marshals"? In case you didn't know, you don't need photographs of something to commit a terrorist act. You can use your EYES. Also, in case you didn't know, terrorists don't go around openly taking photos with large cameras, because they don't want to get stopped and questioned and risk raising suspicions. So if they were to take photos, they would do it in a very clandestine manner. As such, the only people affect by the PATH photography ban are the non-terrorists. The terrorists can still take all the photos they want because they won't be caught. Yes it sucks for railfans It sucks for more than just railfans. if it prevents a terrorist attack then it's worth it. As I just explained, there is no possible way this photo ban would ever "prevent" a terrorist attack. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 6 17:33:07 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. Yes it sucks for railfans but if it prevents a terrorist attack then it's worth it.NO!!!!!!! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 6 17:42:32 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. If PATH does not want Railfans to do their own photography then I have a proposal.In the interest of preserving a historical record they should provide to anyone who requests a ROYALTY FREE photograph of every car (roster shot - interior and exterior) before it is scrapped. |
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Posted by P-rad M on Fri Jul 6 20:20:10 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. Banning photography doesn't prevent terrorism. Something PANYNJ has to get through their heads and same to you and all other who think photography helps terrorist set up a terrorist attack. Really, photography doesn't harm not one single person. I know thats said many times here, but until its through your head, your gonna hear it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:29:27 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. Yes it sucks for railfans but if it prevents a terrorist attack then it's worth it. That's a mighty big "if," there! :) Yennyway, banning photography does absolutely nothing to prevent terrorist attacks. The general speculation is that transit systems ban photography because they don't want dirty or poorly-maintained parts of their systems photographed and published for all to see; terrorism is just a handy excuse nowadays, since the terrorists have succeeded in making us terrified and thus willing to do anything if we're told it'll make us safer. Of course, there are places where terrorist attacks on transit systems are actually very real possibilities. For example, Israel is always on the alert for terrorism, but according to SubChatters who have been there, they don't have any photo bans. Spain has had a couple attacks on their transit systems, yet a couple of cops on the Barcelona metro actually stopped to let me take a picture before walking past my camera. See, if you have to prepare for real terrorist attacks, you have to know exactly what to look for. Since we're not really at risk, we can afford to waste resources with ridiculous "security theater" like photo bans and "random bag searches." "If you see something, say something... and no matter what it is, we'll shut down the entire line you saw it on!" CHIRP! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 6 23:36:07 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. What PATH needs is a protest like the one in Silver Springs that forced a certain developer to cave:Click Here |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Jul 7 06:54:57 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 16:03:33 2007. Sheesh. That's just ridiculous. I still can't get over the whole escort thing. How in the world could they justify paying someone to walk around with you while you take pictures? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 7 07:09:09 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Jul 7 06:54:57 2007. "Billing to DHS." :( |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 7 07:25:55 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Jul 6 12:20:51 2007. Karl, what on earth were you taking photos of that you had to go through all that work for? You don't have to say but I'm simply curious.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by P-rad M on Sat Jul 7 08:47:52 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 6 23:36:07 2007. Thats what I was thinking the other day. Just plan and have a protest in front of Journal Square. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 7 10:37:59 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Jul 7 06:54:57 2007. I still can't get over the whole escort thingI wouldn't mind if it was a different kind of escort ;-) |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jul 7 10:48:07 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 7 07:09:09 2007. more tax dollars at work, I guess.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jul 7 10:52:46 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. Being that it won't do one thing to stop an attack, it's NOT worth it.It's just a waste & totaly stupid. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jul 7 10:59:47 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:29:27 2007. These guys are saying yes to terrorism & yes to the terrorist with this nonesense.Oh I agree we've got to be "on guard" & all that, but crap like this is giving into them, by just plain being scared. We cannot live like this!!! Living in fear of attacks is one of the most un-American things to do. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Jul 7 12:19:43 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 7 07:25:55 2007. I'd rather not say, but the photos were very clear, and IF someone wanted photos of photo sensitive areas bad enough then this would definitely be the way to go, BTW I got this idea by watching a spy movie...and it worked, the Canon F-1 is a rather heavy camera compared to today's ultra light cameras so even a small container would work great, everyone complains about the situation well....get around it, SAY...why not a contest...see who can come up with the best way to conceal a camera take photos and post them, then have a judging to see which photos are the best....make it a fun project.Karl M |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 7 12:21:13 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by WillD on Fri Jul 6 17:02:37 2007. The PA does not control the SI Ferry or Circle Line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 7 12:21:54 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. How will it prevent a terrorist attack? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 7 12:40:54 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 7 12:21:54 2007. Every attack I see photos in the news on TV.When has there not been an attack and I don't see a picture of it in the newspaper? See no evil, no evil happens! Seems perfectly logical. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 7 12:46:57 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Jul 7 12:19:43 2007. I recall attending an ERA meeting many years ago. One member came back from visiting Eastern Europe - he had some very good slides of trolleys which he got by keeping his camera dangling from his chest and snapping without looking through the eyepiece...He got good at it after some practice. With digital cams it is even easier since software will allow you to straighten or crop the image. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 7 12:54:52 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Jul 7 12:19:43 2007. It's a sad day when Americans have to conceal a camera to take harmless hobby photos. |
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Posted by Broadway buffer on Sat Jul 7 13:16:44 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:29:27 2007. Since we're not really at risk, we can afford to waste resources with ridiculous "security theater" like photo bans and "random bag searches."Umm...no, we are actually at risk. We have been attacked before, and could be again. You're right that random bag searches, photo bans, men with big guns in hand will not help in preventing an attack, but it is foolish to think that "we're not really at risk". |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 7 23:05:35 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 6 23:36:07 2007. Thanks for that article. But that was published before the protest. Where is the after article? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 7 23:06:12 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. Will PATHman respond? Tune in next week for the answer... |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Sun Jul 8 00:33:10 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sat Jul 7 06:54:57 2007. They probably expected that they'd never actually have to go through with this whole procedure and provide an escort. The way I see it, the rules were probably written in that convoluted and intimidating way, precisely to scare people away from applying for a permit. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 8 00:58:14 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Jul 8 00:33:10 2007. I agree. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 8 00:59:26 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Jul 7 12:19:43 2007. Yeah, that game sounds like a great way to spend a few days in jail...at least. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Jul 8 20:46:40 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 00:12:33 2007. "It's a tedious process but PATH believes they are looking out for the best interest of their customers."Sorry, I don't believe that for a second. And, with all due respect, I don't think you really do, either. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 8 21:00:02 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Jul 8 20:46:40 2007. No, he actually DOES believe it. :( |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Jul 8 21:04:20 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007. "The SI Ferry has bomb sniffing dogs and federal marshals. Since it isn't feasible for PATH to have all of that they have their stringent photo policy. Yes it sucks for railfans but if it prevents a terrorist attack then it's worth it."NO! It IS NOT worth it! Banning photography of, at, or around mass transit vehicles or terminals DOES NOT IN ANY WAY prevent or deter terrorism of ANY KIND. It never has. It never will. WHAT IS IT FINALLY GOING TO TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Jul 8 21:49:40 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 11:14:02 2007. Actually, I think it's "Aye" not "I" |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Jul 8 21:50:53 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 6 00:51:20 2007. Don't be so sure, you never know. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 8 22:29:11 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by error46146 on Sun Jul 8 21:50:53 2007. I stand by what I said. |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jul 8 22:39:51 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 8 22:29:11 2007. bring a chairin case you get tired.... |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Jul 9 15:41:43 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 8 00:59:26 2007. With that attitude then you might as well put away the camera and pursue another hobby, but if you REALLY want that special photo / photo's, then one's gotta do what one's gotta do.... that includes being daring and doing things that gets the adrenalin flowing, kinda like speeding, going 50 mph when the speed is 30 mph, you take a chance of getting caught. Karl M |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 16:03:33 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Jul 9 15:41:43 2007. I don't need to put away the camera, because the ONLY place I currently can't take photos is within the PATH system. And if I want to get a shot in there for some reason, I'll just take it, after taking the proper precautions. But I won't act like a terrorist, because that is grounds to be detained or even arrested until everything gets sorted out.Furthermore, if we start acting like terrorists, then the rest of the world has a darn good reason to start banning photography. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 9 17:56:38 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 08:33:45 2007. When I heard "permit" I immediately though it would be a six month or year permit that would allow you to photograph on PATH property with few if any restrictions.What PATH describes is not really a permit, it is a specific authorization for a single event and you are accompanied by a PATH official who can decide on the spot what you can and cannot take pictures of. That means you need another authorization every time you want to go back. Absolutely ridiculous. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Mon Jul 9 18:05:38 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 9 17:56:38 2007. After I got yelled at by the public address system for photographing PATH at Newark Penn, I send PATH a message on their website message form asking whether they could legally prohibit photography as a tenant on NJT property. I got a prompt email reply that an in depth explanation would be forthcoming via snailmail.I received the reply Saturday. It is a photo permit application and several pages of explanation of the photo permit application and the limiting rules applied thereto. It's so PATHetic that it's not even funny. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 18:23:13 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jul 9 18:05:38 2007. That's a good point. Amtrak conceded to me that their platform/photo policy did not apply at Newark Penn because it was an NJT facility. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Jul 9 18:23:47 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Jul 7 12:19:43 2007. I'd rather not sayIntriguing... area 51 perhaps????? |
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