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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007  ...On PATH? It's not easy. The process, it would seem, is deliberately irritating, and proper photo permits don't exist. I tried to get a permit almost a year ago. I was, ultimately, unsuccessful. My ultimately futile quest for a PATH photo permit began last September. I had intended to wait until I had obtained a permit before posting my experience in searching for one, but the permit was never gained and I came to forget about it. Then, today, my perusal of SubChat brought me to a long thread regarding proposed legislation to require permits for photography in general, and there are occasional suggestions that we obtain a PATH photo permit and go on a group trip. I was reminded of my own efforts to gain the approval of PATH for photography, and I've uncovered my record of my prior efforts. Thus follows the story of my efforts to protect my photographic activities with the official approval of the Port Authority. I had always intended to put the story on SubChat, so I took notes as I went. However, the first day's events had to be translated from my own personal shorthand, so accuracy is not guaranteed. Thursday, September 21st, 2006 I called the information number listed on the Port Authority's website for PATH information. It took a very long time to get through, since I had to navigate through a long automated phone system. (Photo permits were not something the automated system could help you with.) Eventually, I reached an actual person, who quickly transferred my call to another person. I was told that I could skip the automated system by calling 216-6247, but I didn't write down the area code (and I certainly don't remember it now, although I suppose I could look it up), and even then, I think I was transferred to a different number after calling that. I was told that in order to get a PATH photo permit, I would have to come to their office at 1 PATH Plaza in Journal Square and apply in person. A review of PATH rules revealed an additional constraint; I had to have a PATH escort when I took photos, and as such I had to specify exactly when and where I wanted to take them. I had to apply a day and a half before that time and date to give PATH 36 hours of advance notice, but I could not apply more than seven days in advance. Tuesday, September 26th, 2006 I went to 1 PATH Plaza, and searched a few minutes for the building. Eventually, I found the street entrance, but it was closed; a sign redirected me to the lower level entrance. I had to return to the Journal Square station, and was then forced to track it down again. I found where the entrance was, but it was at the end of a long hall, with a sign at the front of the hallway saying: "Stop, employees with ID only beyond this point." As I stood there, wondering whether to simply ignore this sign and proceed towards the entrance, two PATH employees walked past. I asked them about getting a PATH photo permit. One said: "No, they don't give those. You'll never get one." After I muttered a slight protest, he said: "Well, it can't hurt to ask." Taking this as an invitation to march past the "Stop, only employees allowed beyond this point" sign, I walked down the hall and actually reached the entrance to 1 PATH Plaza. The woman at the security desk then told me that no one deals with permits or permit applications in person, despite the fact that I was previously told that I must apply for a permit in person. The woman at the security desk gave me a phone number, which turned out to be the same one I'd called before. I called it and got transferred to the person I spoke to previously, who turned out to be named Julia. She remembered me from before. On the phone, she read the rules herself, and informed me that she wasn't quite certain about the procedure because I was the first person to ever apply for a photo permit. She told me she'd call back in five minutes. I returned to the other end of the long hall and waited for ten minutes before deciding to call her again. As I was dialing, however, the phone rang. Julia said it was all worked out, and told me to come to the tenth floor. I returned to the entrance where the guard was and said: "I need to go to the 10th floor." The guard wouldn't let me up. She asked for Julia's name (which I hadn't yet learned at the time), then asked to see the last four digits of the number she'd originally given to me. I gave them to her, but pointed out that I'd been transferred to a different number. She dialed several times, and said: “They’re not answering.” I pointed out that I had been transferred, and searched in vain through my phone’s call records. Eventually, I called the number the guard had given me, asked to be transferred again, and reached Julia, explaining the problem. She said: “Tell the guard you need to go to the 10th floor.” I did so, but the guard wouldn’t let me up; she said: “Tell her to call me!” I did so, and hung up. The guard said: “So she’s calling?” I said yes, then the guard’s phone rang. The guard answered, acknowledged, then let me up— but I had to fill out a sign-in sheet that asked for my name, the floor I was going to, and whether I was a US citizen. (Why, exactly?) I went up to floor 10. Julia wasn’t there, but someone else in the office buzzed her. She came out with a permit application, and a copy of the rules. I filled out the application, she took it, and made a photocopy for me. She was very nice, and said that the permit would likely be approved, but reiterated that no one had ever applied for a permit before! Okay. Thursday, September 28th, 2006 I called Julia at roughly 2:00 PM. She said that she had someone else on hold and would need to call back. She also said she still had to "check something." I called back at 3:00 or so. She said that some form of special approval was required, and mentioned some worry about terrorist threats. She also said that I couldn't do it around sunset, since I wasn't allowed to be out taking photos during peak hours. She said that she'd try to get the application approved first, and that we should worry about that; after it was approved, we could set a time. The rules said the application was supposed to be submitted no more than a week in advance, but that requirement apparently no longer applied— although if Julia was right, this would be the first time it was ever tested. Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 I lost the "direct dial" number for Julia's office, so I had to navigate the maze of automated customer service crap, although I eventually reached Julia. She said she'd talked with their security department, and she'd be happy to tell them I was still interested. (Perhaps they were hoping I'd given up?) Julia then told me that I would not be allowed to take photos between stations, meaning I wouldn't be able to get the Journal Square to Harrison run; the hope of getting that run at sunset was the original inspiration for applying for the permit. I decided it would be worth it anyway; I'd see what I could get and didn't want to give up now. Perhaps I'd get a nice escort. Julia said that we needed to schedule a time, and we eventually settled on Thursday the 19th. She seemed willing to help, but I had called late in the day (nearly 5:00) and most of the staff had already left. She also said that I might be able to schedule the trip during the sunset after all. Friday, October 13th, 2006 Again, I had to navigate through the auto-customer-service phone maze. However, this time I was able to do it much faster, and quickly reached Customer Service, asked for Julia, and was transferred to her. She apologized for being disorganized and not getting back to me, she confirmed that October 19th would be a good date for the photo trip, and she implied that the Higher Ups were OK with the photo permit. Then, she began to mention new and ludicrous restrictions! She said: 1. No interior shots; no pictures inside PATH cars. 2. No pictures of station interiors that feature exits within the frame. 3. No pictures of "PATH infrastructure," although that may have referred only to the above. Apparently, taking pics of the inside of PATH cars isn't allowed, and exits must be carefully cropped out of all pictures entirely; that's considered "PATH infrastructure." Nothing was ever explicitly mentioned about railfan window shots. She did, however, explicitly tell me that I could take pictures of the exterior of PATH stations, in a tone that had me worried (at least briefly) that those were the only allowable pictures. (Of course, a station exterior pic would be taken from public property; I wouldn't even need PATH's permission for that.) She also said that the official PATH escort who I was obligated to have with me would have more detailed and specific information about what would be allowed and what I couldn't take pictures of. She also said she would call back on Monday. Late October, 2006 Some time later, Julia called me. I was railfanning across the Manhattan Bridge at the time, but she managed to catch me briefly as we went above ground and I got cell service. She told me that the permit had been denied. Her reason? I had applied to take photos during rush hour, and this was not allowed. I never heard from her again. By the way, here's my permit application. (Technically, it's only the photocopy.) I still have it, along with the copy of the rules it came with. 
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 5 04:25:44 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. damnn !!''start time'' '''end time''' WTF ???? this is ssssssssoooooooooooooooo sick !! |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 04:32:04 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. Keep this post handy for when someone utters "ya know, a permit wouldn't be such a bad thing".your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Thu Jul 5 05:36:33 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. On the bright side, you're looking at the stock for Permit No. 0007. I guess it's not a popular item. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 06:54:27 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. Heh. We should all apply. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 08:33:45 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. The explanation regarding not allowing photography during rush hour may be considered reasonable.We are actually in a position to set them up for a successful lawsuit - if anyone applies for a Saturday or Sunday and still receives a rejection then that could be submitted to the ACLU as proof that the PATH permitting process is a sham. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 09:30:52 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 08:33:45 2007. Who is "we"? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 5 09:35:25 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 09:30:52 2007. >>>>Who is "we"? <<<<The very same, ubiquitous, self serving, obnoxious, we you always refer to, yente boy. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 09:54:07 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 08:33:45 2007. The same WE referred to here |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 5 09:56:46 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 06:54:27 2007. we we we. all the way home. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:07:44 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 5 09:35:25 2007. Not necessarily. There was at least one organization that was talking of bringing legal action against the PANYNJ over their photo permit process. That's why I asked... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:10:15 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 09:54:07 2007. Well I don't know how many of us are looking to bring a lawsuit. But I know that the NY Press Photographers Association (or something like that) has talked of bringing legal action. But that was months or maybe even a year ago and I haven't heard anything since. At the time they seemed to be implying that they may have already had a good case built. No use redoing work that they've already done. If anything, we should try to join them. I emailed them at the time but never got a response. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 10:15:09 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:10:15 2007. Agreed! |
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Posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 11:14:02 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:10:15 2007. If anything, we should try to join them.All in favor of joining, say "I". Me: I! |
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Posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 11:16:37 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. I should try to apply for one and put down times during the weekends. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 5 11:31:49 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. Put the NYCLU to good use and forward this post to them. I'm sure they can spare a lawyer from their NYC Police Offer Bashing division to help you. One reason PATH may be behaving in such an irrational way is because the Port Authority is responsible for running the harbors of NYC, and they may be applying rules drawn up for legitimate terror targets to just about everything they control, including this rail system. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 5 11:33:54 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 08:33:45 2007. I think it's already been shown to be a sham. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 11:40:17 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 5 11:31:49 2007. One reason PATH may be behaving in such an irrational way is because the Port Authority is responsible for running the harbors of NYC, and they may be applying rules drawn up for legitimate terror targets to just about everything they control, including this rail system.No, the rules for getting a PATH photo permit are clearly spelled out HERE. IX. Photography and similar activity. As you can see, they don't make it easy. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 11:55:53 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 5 11:31:49 2007. The "no photography" rules on PATH existed long before 9/11 or terrorism became an issue. The only difference is that they were not strictly enforced like they are today. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Jul 5 13:42:40 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:10:15 2007. http://www.NPPA.org/ |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jul 5 13:45:08 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 11:40:17 2007. Paragraph D is clearly unconstitutional, IMHO. No one can prohibit you, or attach limitations on, taking pictures from public property of anything that is in clear view. There are some exceptions such as military installations or nuclear facilities.As for the rest, if PATH were a private individual or corporation, they can prohibit or limit you from taking photos while on their property, but the question is - is PATH (or the MTA for that matter) public or private property? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 13:57:29 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jul 5 13:45:08 2007. Paragraph D is clearly unconstitutional, IMHO. No one can prohibit you, or attach limitations on, taking pictures from public property of anything that is in clear view. There are some exceptions such as military installations or nuclear facilities.Section II (in my link) makes clear that they are only talking about WITHIN the system, not from public property. As for the rest, if PATH were a private individual or corporation, they can prohibit or limit you from taking photos while on their property, but the question is - is PATH (or the MTA for that matter) public or private property? Yeah, that's the issue. For that same reason, any public system (like say MBTA or SEPTA) that can't show where in the "state code" (or the like) they have the authority to regulate photography, I don't listen to their stated photography rules. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jul 5 14:23:51 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 13:57:29 2007. OK."II. Application These Rules regulate conduct on and within on any portion of the PATH, including the Center, unless reference is made to any specific portion of PATH, in addition to any applicable laws, ordinances or regulations of other government bodies." |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:31:52 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. WOW!!!!!ALL THIS FOR A GOD DAMN PICTURE??? I'd rather not get pictures of PATH then go through all this trouble and ending up having nothing. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jul 5 14:41:07 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. *3. No pictures of "PATH infrastructure," although that may have referred only to the above.*Sounds like no railfan window to me. Also, how much does it cost for them to give you an "escort"? Sounds like some bs I'd have to deal with if I was doing pictures for ab usiness or guidebook. And even then, they never had it before? How retarded. |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Thu Jul 5 14:48:45 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 11:55:53 2007. When was that? Terrorism became an issue for the PA in 1993. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Jul 5 15:25:03 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:31:52 2007. ALL THIS FOR A GOD DAMN PICTURE???I'd rather not get pictures of PATH then go through all this trouble and ending up having nothing. I'd rather say scroo the permit and just take photos.   
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:50:08 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by chuchubob on Thu Jul 5 15:25:03 2007. Yea, but then in the Path if you get yelled at by cops you can't complain since you were wrong in taking pics, not the cop yelling at you for it. |
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Posted by Pk Slope F on Thu Jul 5 15:59:15 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. I wonder if the last 6 people were approved or denied for their permit. |
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Posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 16:55:51 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:50:08 2007. Why use the term yelling, stop saying yelling. Use the word confront better. Its only yelling when an officer confronts you and yells at you in your face, or he is yelling from like the other side of a platform or track. Usually, police officers try to confront you calmly and speak to you not yelling, in some cases that might be dfferent, but its most of time its a civil conversation. Same goes for employees. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 19:39:11 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 11:16:37 2007. Erm, no. Julia specifically said that I couldn't get a permit for weekends, because the photographer escorts don't come to work on the weekends. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 19:45:21 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jul 5 14:41:07 2007. *3. No pictures of "PATH infrastructure," although that may have referred only to the above.* Sounds like no railfan window to me. Well, I was already told that I couldn't take pics between stations, and I was specifically told I couldn't take pics where exits were visible, so that pretty much rules out all RFW photos no matter how that rule is applied. Also, how much does it cost for them to give you an "escort"? I don't know. I actually recall hearing somewhere that I had to pay for the escort, although this wasn't in the rules and was never brought up. Sounds like some bs I'd have to deal with if I was doing pictures for ab usiness or guidebook. Yeah, pretty much. I guess the idea is that they don't want any pics taken by anyone under any circumstances unless they can specifically censor any negative information about the PATH system as they're doing it. Of course, commercial photography and movie shoots where they get paid a lot of money are welcome, but if they're not being paid, they'd prefer that no one takes pics. And even then, they never had it before? That's what I was told, although I can't verify its complete accuracy. How retarded. I agree. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 19:54:09 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 08:33:45 2007. The explanation regarding not allowing photography during rush hour may be considered reasonable. Yes, but they denied the permit outright because I'd "requested to do it during rush hour," even after the original date and time I'd applied for had long passed (because they hadn't approved the permit yet), and we were in the process of working out a time. They could have said: "We can't do it during rush hour, how about during the midday?" rather than saying: "We can't do it during rush hour, therefore the permit is denied, good bye." In fact, according to my notes, I didn't even set a specific time; all I have is that we'd set a date, which had (presumably) passed again. (I didn't write down the date of the last call from Julia; just "late October." We are actually in a position to set them up for a successful lawsuit - if anyone applies for a Saturday or Sunday and still receives a rejection then that could be submitted to the ACLU as proof that the PATH permitting process is a sham. Actually, I was specifically told that I couldn't get a permit on the weekend, since I needed to be accompanied by a PATH escort and those escorts didn't work on the weekends. However, the PATH permit process does appear to be a sham; the rules listed on their website (and that I was handed) regarding photography are convoluted and difficult to follow, but they weren't followed; those rules themselves were broken. I do think there may be grounds for a lawsuit, on the same grounds that got the NYCT photo ban overturned. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 19:55:16 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 11:14:02 2007. Aye! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 21:42:12 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:10:15 2007. I've read some of their forums - the NPPA does not concern itself with the issues surrounding amateur photography. In fact, they say that they are simply monitoring the proposed NYC photo permit rules but are not considering action because it will only affect amateurs, not photojournalists....I wouldn't doubt that their proposed lawsuit against PATH got thrown to the wayside... If only the NYCLU would pick up the cause.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 21:57:55 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 21:42:12 2007. n fact, they say that they are simply monitoring the proposed NYC photo permit rules but are not considering action because it will only affect amateurs, not photojournalists....How would it not affect photojournalists? Any situation where amateurs would come under the new rule, so would photojournalists, unless I'm missing something. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 22:06:13 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 21:42:12 2007. LINK |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 22:13:43 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 21:57:55 2007. Here is a post from one of their directors:According to several board members, the proposed regulation pertains to non-press photographers, not press photographers with credentials. Apparently, the ordinance seems to be targeted to every Tom, Dick and Harry and Jane, Mary and Sue who think they are the next big indie filmmaker a la Michael Moore or YouTube sensation and decide to set up on any old street with lots of equipment and helpers and block pedestrian and sometimes vehicular traffic and create a safety hazard. Since this situation is not related to professional photojournalists, NPPA probably does not belong getting involved with this. However, that said, board members are aware of this situation and are monitoring it so that if it does present an issue to professional photojournalists, NPPA will respond appropriately when and if necessary. Matt Snider AD Region 8 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 22:23:03 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 22:13:43 2007. hahaha. they are just believing that the intent of the law will protect them. that's the whole point - the intent means nothing. as I said, photojournalists and amateurs are in the same boat. the wording of the law puts both groups at the same risk. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 22:35:24 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 22:23:03 2007. Exactly! they seem to be burying their heads in the sand on this one. I believe PATH became an issue for them because those rules do not provide for freelance journalists. They could care less about amateur photography or photography as art. If PATH were to change its rules to allow for freelance journalists then I am sure they would be satisfied and end their case even if it leaves the rest of us out in the cold. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 00:12:33 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. It's a tedious process but PATH believes they are looking out for the best interest of their customers. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 6 00:16:12 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 00:12:33 2007. PATH believes they are looking out for the best interest of their customers.ha ha ha ahah hah ahaaah hah haha hahahahh haahahahhahaWhy in the WORLD do you say that? |
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Posted by 3440 on Fri Jul 6 00:17:59 2007, in response to So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 5 04:22:22 2007. I think it will be a lot harder to get this into the NYC subway system to do this...BJC |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 6 00:20:52 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by P-rad M on Thu Jul 5 16:55:51 2007. I prefer the term "bitch". |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 6 00:23:33 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by 3440 on Fri Jul 6 00:17:59 2007. Huh? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 6 00:24:36 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 00:12:33 2007. It's a tedious processMore like MISSION IMPOSSIBLE |
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Posted by 3440 on Fri Jul 6 00:47:49 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 6 00:23:33 2007. Do you think the MTA going to have this in it furture?BJC |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 6 00:51:20 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by 3440 on Fri Jul 6 00:47:49 2007. No, I do not think the MTA will have this in the future. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Jul 6 02:40:09 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Fri Jul 6 00:12:33 2007. Your sycophantic attitude toward so byzantine an organization as PATH borders on the delusional. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 6 04:43:02 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 5 22:13:43 2007. LOL professional SnOBS. "every Tom, Dick and Harry and Jane, Mary and Sue"your pal, Fred |
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